Greatest Nation on Earth to ever exist?

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

I can't believe people are actualy saying USA:roll:

What do American kids get taught at school? First history lesson - planet earth rotates around North America - Americans are a special race of humans - American guns never run out of ammo - American action heros never die, even though they get shot 600 times.

If you look at the history of planet earth - the USA is not even worth two milli-seconds.

The greatest nation on earth was either the British Empire and its commonwealth or the Roman empire.

sonicare

Do they teach the rest of the world to be insecure? Why do you care if some people say the US? Some people say Rome, England, Mongolia, etc. Each choice has valid points.

America has such a hold on the world right now that its tough to ignore it as the best of all time. Although you could argue with classics like Alexander the Great's Empire, or China during the Middle Ages and before.TheSystemLord1

erm what? america's "hold" is nothing compared to what past empires had.

For example the British empire... ruled not in-direct influence or anything like that but invaded, conquered, and ruled over 1/4 of the entire globe.

america's "hold" is nothing compared to what past empires had. muppet1010

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]To those who have said the US was the first democracy uh...you're wrong. That would be Athens thank you...Ancient Greece ftw! So yes. Ancient Greece> all. Greece had democracy, woamns rights,plumbing, great advances in math... and so much more. dsmccracken

Greece wasn't a democracy like the US is a democracy. Do you know exactly what % of the population could actually vote? Estimates put it around 10%.

No, Greece was more democratic.

[QUOTE="hokies1313"]

But I'll go with the US because its establishment as the first full constituational democracy. One of the most enlightened political systems of all time.

Total-KO

:lol:

i'm gonna go with Ancient Greece.

I think you need to go reread history if you think Greece had a Constitutional Democracy.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

But I'll go with the US because its establishment as the first full constituational democracy. One of the most enlightened political systems of all time.

The_Ish

:lol:

i'm gonna go with Ancient Greece.

I think you need to go reread history if you think Greece had a Constitutional Democracy.

They weren't, but they were radically democratic for the time period.

Canada is the only place that fits that description.metallica_fan42

Can't argue with that. It has all the needed ingredients - beer and hockey. Canada wins. Thread over.

I can't believe people are actualy saying USA:roll:

What do American kids get taught at school? First history lesson - planet earth rotates around North America - Americans are a special race of humans - American guns never run out of ammo - American action heros never die, even though they get shot 600 times.

If you look at the history of planet earth - the USA is not even worth two milli-seconds.

The greatest nation on earth was either the British Empire and its commonwealth or the Roman empire.

gamedude2020

this made me rofl.

comeon...the british empire? And as for "earth rotating around N America" I think the British were far more arrogent during their imperial days than any other nation then, now, or in the past.

and once again some poor naive guy thinks america is gun crazy...

but I agree it would be a great place and time to live. I love England, especially Oxford. Eagle and Child FTW!

They weren't, but they were radically democratic for the time period.

fourier404

No one is disputing that - there are just people who apparently can't tell the difference between Constitutional Democracy and a pure Democracy.

Texas, of course. I mean, it only lasted like 9 years as a country before joining the US, but certainly would have conquered everyone on it's 10th anniversary. Oh, what could have been...wallymartin

I am actually studying Texas for a class now (actually, the American west) and trust me...you would not want to live in Texas back then.

Filibusters, angry Indians, angry Mexicans, and angry Spanish. No one was happy with anyone there.

[QUOTE="wallymartin"]Texas, of course. I mean, it only lasted like 9 years as a country before joining the US, but certainly would have conquered everyone on it's 10th anniversary. Oh, what could have been...mrbojangles25

I am actually studying Texas for a class now (actually, the American west) and trust me...you would not want to live in Texas back then.

Filibusters, angry Indians, angry Mexicans, and angry Spanish. No one was happy with anyone there.

If Texas were ruling the world, we'd have been on the moon by 1900. :P

But yeah, you're right. The house was falling apart, it was better just to move in with the neighbors. You know, the ones we still got along with.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]To those who have said the US was the first democracy uh...you're wrong. That would be Athens thank you...Ancient Greece ftw! So yes. Ancient Greece> all. Greece had democracy, woamns rights,plumbing, great advances in math... and so much more. Total-KO

Greece wasn't a democracy like the US is a democracy. Do you know exactly what % of the population could actually vote? Estimates put it around 10%.

No, Greece was more democratic.

Only on opposite day.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]To those who have said the US was the first democracy uh...you're wrong. That would be Athens thank you...Ancient Greece ftw! So yes. Ancient Greece> all. Greece had democracy, woamns rights,plumbing, great advances in math... and so much more. dsmccracken

Greece wasn't a democracy like the US is a democracy. Do you know exactly what % of the population could actually vote? Estimates put it around 10%.

No, Greece was more democratic.

Only on opposite day.

Though only males who had served the compulsory service could vote, it was in many ways a direct democracy. Doesn't this add to the "democratic value" ?

PS: I'm not saying they were more democratic than the US.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="wallymartin"]Texas, of course. I mean, it only lasted like 9 years as a country before joining the US, but certainly would have conquered everyone on it's 10th anniversary. Oh, what could have been...wallymartin

I am actually studying Texas for a class now (actually, the American west) and trust me...you would not want to live in Texas back then.

Filibusters, angry Indians, angry Mexicans, and angry Spanish. No one was happy with anyone there.

If Texas were ruling the world, we'd have been on the moon by 1900. :P

But yeah, you're right. The house was falling apart, it was better just to move in with the neighbors. You know, the ones we still got along with.

haha ya, i gotcha

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]To those who have said the US was the first democracy uh...you're wrong. That would be Athens thank you...Ancient Greece ftw! So yes. Ancient Greece> all. Greece had democracy, woamns rights,plumbing, great advances in math... and so much more. jointed

Greece wasn't a democracy like the US is a democracy. Do you know exactly what % of the population could actually vote? Estimates put it around 10%.

No, Greece was more democratic.

Only on opposite day.

Though only males who had served the compulsory service could vote, it was in many ways a direct democracy. Doesn't this add to the "democratic value" ?

PS: I'm not saying they were more democratic than the US.

It definitely adds to the "democratic value," just not enough to overcome the fact that only 1/10 of the population could vote.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Feudal Japan....but only if you were a samurai.

Then I'd have to say California. No, its not a nation, but its just so damn nice. I wish anyone who hates America could just spend a month in Northern California.

jointed

California is great, I prefer the southern part though.

As long as you stay outta sanfransicko and beserkely;)

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Feudal Japan....but only if you were a samurai.

Then I'd have to say California. No, its not a nation, but its just so damn nice. I wish anyone who hates America could just spend a month in Northern California.

MarineJcksn

California is great, I prefer the southern part though.

As long as you stay outta sanfransicko and beserkely;)

Those are in the North. But I like northern cali - sacramento is really nice -> it has no bad parts unlike some other US cities.

Wow how surprising, all the Americans think their country is the greatest...

It's definitely a great country in many ways, it just doesn't hold a candle to the many empires we've had over the years. Like the Roman Empire. Revolutionary army after the Marius reforms, aqueducts and public baths, they controlled the world for over a thousand years, some of the greatest people in history were born within its borders and it influenced culture more than anyone. There are a handful of empires greater than America so don't feed us your overly patriotic bull****, America isn't the greatest country in history (or the greatest of today) and it never has been.

My vote goes for the Roman Empire.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Feudal Japan....but only if you were a samurai.

Then I'd have to say California. No, its not a nation, but its just so damn nice. I wish anyone who hates America could just spend a month in Northern California.

MarineJcksn

California is great, I prefer the southern part though.

As long as you stay outta sanfransicko and beserkely;)

lol whats wrong with SF or Berkeley...besides the dirty hippies, I mean lol.

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Feudal Japan....but only if you were a samurai.

Then I'd have to say California. No, its not a nation, but its just so damn nice. I wish anyone who hates America could just spend a month in Northern California.

sonicare

California is great, I prefer the southern part though.

As long as you stay outta sanfransicko and beserkely;)

Those are in the North. But I like northern cali - sacramento is really nice -> it has no bad parts unlike some other US cities.

I heard that. SoCal is nice too I been in San Diego and La briefly, nice weather like out here in Hawaii.8)

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Feudal Japan....but only if you were a samurai.

Then I'd have to say California. No, its not a nation, but its just so damn nice. I wish anyone who hates America could just spend a month in Northern California.

mrbojangles25

California is great, I prefer the southern part though.

As long as you stay outta sanfransicko and beserkely;)

lol whats wrong with SF or Berkeley...besides the dirty hippies, I mean lol.

"These are what we call the giggling stoners, pretty common form of hippies, usually found in the attics. Problem is, if you see one hippie, there are probably a whole more you're not seeing."

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Feudal Japan....but only if you were a samurai.

Then I'd have to say California. No, its not a nation, but its just so damn nice. I wish anyone who hates America could just spend a month in Northern California.

MarineJcksn

California is great, I prefer the southern part though.

As long as you stay outta sanfransicko and beserkely;)

lol whats wrong with SF or Berkeley...besides the dirty hippies, I mean lol.

"These are what we call the giggling stoners, pretty common form of hippies, usually found in the attics. Problem is, if you see one hippie, there are probably a whole more you're not seeing."

touche

and, if your name implies youre a marine, I am sure the antirecuitment legislation Berkeley is trying to pass problably pisses you off.

British Empire, Classical Greece, Early Roman Empire.

Pick one.

British Empire, Classical Greece, Early Roman Empire.

Pick one.

deshields538

I'm going with Madagascar.

Byzantine, they lasted longer than any other.Aidenfury19

I am sure China is still around.

I'm tempted to say the United States just out of pure patriotism.

But I'll go with the US because its establishment as the first full constituational democracy. One of the most enlightened political systems of all time.

hokies1313

WOW!!

you must live in 1 think walled bubble!! usa is a beatiful fuked up place

american music and the landscape is number 1

the politics dnt even kid yourself..... seriously

it would have to be america. weve accomplished more than any nation before us ragardless of time period.

H8sMikeMoore

please enlighten me

[QUOTE="Aidenfury19"]Byzantine, they lasted longer than any other.The_Ish

I am sure China is still around.

Hardly, China for much (if not most) of its history has been invaded and taken over by entire different peoples, broken up, reunited and broken again just to reunite later.

Byzantine had the same general form of government and maintained its sovereignty for 1100 years.

The Underground Empire of the MoleMen.

Just kidding, Britain really.

I can see people saying the US out of Patriotism, but apart from that well, all other reasons fall flat.

I'll have to go with the Antarctic Empire.

Quiet-Key

Yeah, constantly the government doesn't let me leave my house to go to school and burns my literature.

touche

and, if your name implies youre a marine, I am sure the antirecuitment legislation Berkeley is trying to pass problably pisses you off.

Been a Marine 6 years, so yeah it gets me a little hot under the collar. But the Captain in charge of that recruiting station totally flamed the protesters from Code Pink in an open letter and did it with tact like a military officer would, so I had a good laugh at that. It's just a bunch of old hippies still burning their bras and bitter cuz they never married, no big deal. Least it wasn't the whackjobs from the westboro baptist church out there:lol:

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

I can't believe people are actualy saying USA:roll:

What do American kids get taught at school? First history lesson - planet earth rotates around North America - Americans are a special race of humans - American guns never run out of ammo - American action heros never die, even though they get shot 600 times.

If you look at the history of planet earth - the USA is not even worth two milli-seconds.

The greatest nation on earth was either the British Empire and its commonwealth or the Roman empire.

mrbojangles25

this made me rofl.

comeon...the british empire? And as for "earth rotating around N America" I think the British were far more arrogent during their imperial days than any other nation then, now, or in the past.

and once again some poor naive guy thinks america is gun crazy...

but I agree it would be a great place and time to live. I love England, especially Oxford. Eagle and Child FTW!

Well I think it's fairer to say the world revolves around you when you actually rule a quarter of it, rather than just influence it like the US does.

This is why you shouldnt make threads like this because jackass anti-american people come here to this American MADE website and talk sh*tThrice125

americans take great pride in their freedom, i think you forgot something called freedom of speech. I don't mean people have a right to hurt each other by words, I mean people have a right to express their opinion about a subject.

apart from that I really recommend the movie "Easy Rider", especially the part where Jack Nicholson is talking about freedom in america.

Great Britain was the greatest empire of all time, not just because I am British, but because there are reasons:

1. We owned more if not as much of the World as Rome and still managed to keep it in order.

Azure-Supernova

far more. the farthest Rome spread to was Spain to Arabia or so, and Canada alone has more land mass then that.

[QUOTE="hokies1313"]

I'm tempted to say the United States just out of pure patriotism.

But I'll go with the US because its establishment as the first full constituational democracy. One of the most enlightened political systems of all time.

soren008

WOW!!

you must live in 1 think walled bubble!! usa is a beatiful fuked up place

american music and the landscape is number 1

the politics dnt even kid yourself..... seriously

I'm not closed minded, but it's nearly impossible to say that the US doesn't have the most enlightened politcal system in the World. We were the first country that allowed people to pick their ruler, every other nation had theirs pressed upon them to that point. So no, I don't like in a "think walled bubble" and the politics aren't THAT bad. The system is best ever created.

[QUOTE="soren008"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

I'm tempted to say the United States just out of pure patriotism.

But I'll go with the US because its establishment as the first full constituational democracy. One of the most enlightened political systems of all time.

hokies1313

WOW!!

you must live in 1 think walled bubble!! usa is a beatiful fuked up place

american music and the landscape is number 1

the politics dnt even kid yourself..... seriously

I'm not closed minded, but it's nearly impossible to say that the US doesn't have the most enlightened politcal system in the World. We were the first country that allowed people to pick their ruler, every other nation had theirs pressed upon them to that point. So no, I don't like in a "think walled bubble" and the politics aren't THAT bad. The system is best ever created.

do some research, i hope in time you realize your crazy

In actual fact England was the world's first modern parliamentary democracy and consequently many constitutional, governmental and legal innovations that had their origin in England have been widely adopted by other nations.

remember england is also why you exist ...

and before you ask im not english and i love america

i'd feel selfish if i said the U.S.

in recent times? canada. they're good to their people and don't stick a foot in world affairs.

[QUOTE="hokies1313"][QUOTE="soren008"][QUOTE="hokies1313"]

I'm tempted to say the United States just out of pure patriotism.

But I'll go with the US because its establishment as the first full constituational democracy. One of the most enlightened political systems of all time.

soren008

WOW!!

you must live in 1 think walled bubble!! usa is a beatiful fuked up place

american music and the landscape is number 1

the politics dnt even kid yourself..... seriously

I'm not closed minded, but it's nearly impossible to say that the US doesn't have the most enlightened politcal system in the World. We were the first country that allowed people to pick their ruler, every other nation had theirs pressed upon them to that point. So no, I don't like in a "think walled bubble" and the politics aren't THAT bad. The system is best ever created.

do some research, i hope in time you realize your crazy

In actual fact England was the world's first modern parliamentary democracy and consequently many constitutional, governmental and legal innovations that had their origin in England have been widely adopted by other nations.

remember england is also why you exist ...

and before you ask im not english and i love america

First parlamentary democracy, yes, but you still had a Monarch, the US was the first nation to ever allow their citizens to pick their national executive. The British weren't.

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

I can't believe people are actualy saying USA:roll:

What do American kids get taught at school? First history lesson - planet earth rotates around North America - Americans are a special race of humans - American guns never run out of ammo - American action heros never die, even though they get shot 600 times.

If you look at the history of planet earth - the USA is not even worth two milli-seconds.

The greatest nation on earth was either the British Empire and its commonwealth or the Roman empire.

mrbojangles25

this made me rofl.

comeon...the british empire? And as for "earth rotating around N America" I think the British were far more arrogent during their imperial days than any other nation then, now, or in the past.

and once again some poor naive guy thinks america is gun crazy...

but I agree it would be a great place and time to live. I love England, especially Oxford. Eagle and Child FTW!

Do you actually know anything about the british empire? sure they were arrogant... only nation on earth to put "great" in their name... But they were the absolute undisputed power in there time. What America has to day absolutely pales in comparison to the British Empire's hey day.

as I said Britain had control... that means they forcibly invaded and ceased control of more than 1/4 of the earths land mass. That is way, way, way beyond America's capabilities. And America will never be able to achieve that. And during that time Britain had the military power to crush many rebellions, the navy to as the song goes "rule the sea's"... What the British Empire did was mad. And something like it most likely won't ever be achieved again.

First parlamentary democracy, yes, but you still had a Monarch, the US was the first nation to ever allow their citizens to pick their national executive. The British weren't.

hokies1313

I'm sorry but what? Britain still has a monarch yet we still choose our prime minister...