Have you bought into the biased slander against America?

[QUOTE="-DSFARGEG-"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="-DSFARGEG-"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I love America!

Look at the nations who support us (populace): Poland, Albania, Bosnia. These countries love us because of what we do for the world. They are the small countries that have been aided by America and know what it is like to live under opression (communism).

The nations that despise us? Canada, France, Germany, England, Russia, Italy. These nations have all held a great deal of power (well not Canada, haha) and what did they do with it? Spread communism, oppress the French, oppress the English, oppress the Irish and Scottish, oppress Africa. Sure we did hurt Germany after WWI and had slavery but never destroyed an economy out of spite to the degree these nations (except Canada, haha) punished other nations and races.

Well except Germany, we screwed em pretty bad after WWI (though it was the league of nations too) and they got back at us with Hitler.

cametall

Should I hate my country?

What do you want me to say? I love England for their poor healthcare! And I love France because they hate everyone! I love Germany because... well I can think of no reason, they're heads are too small so I cannot wear their hats!

also you come off as an ass when you insult other countrys.

plus loling at american calling the english healthcare poor.

Why shouldn't I think we're the best? Because you are unhappy your nation is not a super power? Oh and I am politically incorrect because America lets me be. So I'll insult any country I want.

You are "loling" at poor english healthcare? I don't think having your chances of dying from cancer doubled in the English healthcare system "lol" worthy. Diagnosed with prostate cancer? 52% chane you'll die from it in England, 19% in the US.

And as far as medical procedures go, America is light years ahead of England. People cry about our healthcare system because it isn't free. Guess what? Get a job you live in a capitalist society.

Our healthcare system is not perfect, yes I agree. But to think socialized healthcare is better? No, that is why you do not let the government run things such as healthcare.

Canada's health care system is great: guess what? It's socialist. Do those percentages you rhymed off (without a source I might add) include the millions of Americans who don't have health insurance?

Canada's health care system is great: guess what? It's socialist.

Here's a thought.

Even AMERICA itself is dissing itself. CNN and Fox are always showing how terrible the US is.

The crime, the obesity, the 50%+ dropout rate in some areas.

America is an empire like England or Rome, stretching it's resources too thin, interfering with other countries all over the world. People worldwide are getting tired of it and hearing about the injustices, and soon it's all going to come crumbling down into obscurity.

And I predict this poll is going to end up 75% yes by the end of it.Yarcofin

To be honest I'm all for us letting the rest of the world alone. That includes getting the jobs back in the states and not importing much at all. They can then all deal with themselves....

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

Ha, don't think that I am gonna start loving America. The arguments I hear are pathetic and unconvincing.

The USA is imperialist. Its as if you guys always have to intervene in everything. We all know that the invasion of Iraq was for the oil. As if you cared about the people who we're "oppressed". And why do you keep forcing the UN security council to not intervene in Darfur? (Russia and China are as guilty on that one) Oh right.. its completely unacceptable that Russia or China should get their hands on oil down there. Always trying to get richer, trampling those in your way because they are unimportant. And now lets talk about the anti-missile shield.. hello! the Cold War is over, you don't need to piss off Russia by extending it all the way into western Europe.

Anyway, thats all I have to say for now. You guys won't be on top for ever... one day capitalism shall fall.

MayorJohnny

I never said that I supported Communsim either. I believe there is a perfect balance between capitalism and communism. Very close to socialism. I admire Finlands system honestly, its not perfect but its pretty good.

You are pathetic and unconvincing. That is one of the most ridiculous posts that I've ever read.

You don't like capitalism? Okay, then enjoy the oppression of communism.

To be honest I'm all for us letting the rest of the world alone. That includes getting the jobs back in the states and not importing much at all. They can then all deal with themselves....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"]

Left-wing parties are socialist, and the Earth Liberation Front is not a socialist organization, but rather a romantic extremist hippie-nazi organization.

SpaceMoose

I said they were the "radical left", you know....to contrast with the things the other guy was humorously calling "radical left." Geeze.

Also, it was my first post and you tell me to keep 'em coming...

It is true that the massmedia is dominated by the right-wing. Although I got the impression that you were insinuating that the radical left has no media except for music bands - which is false, totally false. It is not that the radical left does not have any media, it is that the radical left generally has much less money and much less means to distribution.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] To be honest I'm all for us letting the rest of the world alone. That includes getting the jobs back in the states and not importing much at all. They can then all deal with themselves....Yarcofin

At least you won't be exploiting people. Anyway relocating all the industry back to the US would be a bad idea. Some of it could come back but the best thing to do would be to pay foreign workers better.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

Ha, don't think that I am gonna start loving America. The arguments I hear are pathetic and unconvincing.

The USA is imperialist. Its as if you guys always have to intervene in everything. We all know that the invasion of Iraq was for the oil. As if you cared about the people who we're "oppressed". And why do you keep forcing the UN security council to not intervene in Darfur? (Russia and China are as guilty on that one) Oh right.. its completely unacceptable that Russia or China should get their hands on oil down there. Always trying to get richer, trampling those in your way because they are unimportant. And now lets talk about the anti-missile shield.. hello! the Cold War is over, you don't need to piss off Russia by extending it all the way into western Europe.

Anyway, thats all I have to say for now. You guys won't be on top for ever... one day capitalism shall fall.

Tezcatlipoca666

I never said that I supported Communsim either. I believe there is a perfect balance between capitalism and communism. Very close to socialism. I admire Finlands system honestly, its not perfect but its pretty good.

You are pathetic and unconvincing. That is one of the most ridiculous posts that I've ever read.

You don't like capitalism? Okay, then enjoy the oppression of communism.

The USA isn't purely capitalist, though it definitely isn't socialist.

Why is it the government's job alone to take care of the people? Why can't we take care of each other more often? Are we that selfish and anti-social?

The government's top priority should be to protect the people and to ensure our rights.

At least you won't be exploiting people.Tezcatlipoca666

B-b-but.... it's the American way!

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] To be honest I'm all for us letting the rest of the world alone. That includes getting the jobs back in the states and not importing much at all. They can then all deal with themselves....Yarcofin

Less taxes....no need for social programs or at least not as much if citizens are working. It won't be $15.00 either....that's an exaggeration.

[QUOTE="Yarcofin"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] To be honest I'm all for us letting the rest of the world alone. That includes getting the jobs back in the states and not importing much at all. They can then all deal with themselves....Tezcatlipoca666

At least you won't be exploiting people. Anyway relocating all the industry back to the US would be a bad idea. Some of it could come back but the best thing to do would be to pay foreign workers better.

We are imperialists, right? We should be isolated and not help foreigners, hmm?

[QUOTE="Yarcofin"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] To be honest I'm all for us letting the rest of the world alone. That includes getting the jobs back in the states and not importing much at all. They can then all deal with themselves....Tezcatlipoca666

At least you won't be exploiting people. Anyway relocating all the industry back to the US would be a bad idea. Some of it could come back but the best thing to do would be to pay foreign workers better.

I disagree. As a nation we did much better before we let industry leave the country. Pay foreign workers better...no. You want us out of other countries....we don't worry about your problems.:)

Computers andVideogames.

I will not listen to any slander against Americans simply because they invented the two items listed above. I don't care if it's true or not, all I know is that I have a computer and videogames, thanks chaps.

It is true that the massmedia is dominated by the right-wing. Although I got the impression that you were insinuating that the radical left has no media except for music bands - which is false, totally false. It is not that the radical left does not have any media, it is that the radical left generally has much less money and much less means to distribution.

doubutsuteki

I do not think that there are many leftists media outlets of an influence level comparable to that of music bands, particularly when it comes to issues such as drug usage.

I cannot think of any television stations that are notably leftist. Some people might say Comedy Central claiming that The Daily Show and Colbert Report are somewhat leftist, since those shows are very popular right now, at least for their time slot, although I think that is mostly the result of this presidential adminstration being such a total and utter joke and the fact that it happens to be Republican. Anyway, they certainly aren't radical leftist. On the other hand, that same station has Mind of Mencia, and the host of that show is very obviously conservative in many ways (not to mention generally unfunny).

[QUOTE="Yarcofin"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] To be honest I'm all for us letting the rest of the world alone. That includes getting the jobs back in the states and not importing much at all. They can then all deal with themselves....Tezcatlipoca666

At least you won't be exploiting people. Anyway relocating all the industry back to the US would be a bad idea. Some of it could come back but the best thing to do would be to pay foreign workers better.

well America's (and the west's) modern society is built on exploitation.....It's capitalistic and therefor that idea will fail...

People won't work in shoot-me-in-the-head-boring factory jobs for minimum wage when they can make the same amount of money at something less monotonous.

I don't see how 100% domestic jobs would lower taxes, or the welfare rate.

Computers andVideogames.

I will not listen to any slander against Americans simply because they invented the two items listed above. I don't care if it's true or not, all I know is that I have a computer and videogames, thanks chaps.

out0v0rder

All of the electronics in your house were invented in Japan, after the US felt sorry for nuking them and gave them a lot of leftover early-stage electronics.

Yes I do. And its usually very much true, but because of your stupid patriotism your media isn't allowed to tell you that stuff.DJ-PRIME90

It's NOT TRUE. Give me proof that isn't biased!

We are imperialists, right? We should be isolated and not help foreigners, hmm?

MayorJohnny

People won't work in shoot-me-in-the-head-boring factory jobs for minimum wage when they can make the same amount of money at something less monotonous.

I don't see how 100% domestic jobs would lower taxes, or the welfare rate.

Yarcofin

Simple....if they are healthy they have to work. If necessary they can have suplemental welfare money (if the job really pays that poorly)...but have to have a job. No more sitting at home living off the hard work of others.

I love America!

Look at the nations who support us (populace): Poland, Albania, Bosnia. These countries love us because of what we do for the world. They are the small countries that have been aided by America and know what it is like to live under opression (communism).

The nations that despise us? Canada, France, Germany, England, Russia, Italy. These nations have all held a great deal of power (well not Canada, haha) and what did they do with it? Spread communism, oppress the French, oppress the English, oppress the Irish and Scottish, oppress Africa. Sure we did hurt Germany after WWI and had slavery but never destroyed an economy out of spite to the degree these nations (except Canada, haha) punished other nations and races.

Well except Germany, we screwed em pretty bad after WWI (though it was the league of nations too) and they got back at us with Hitler.

cametall

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

We are imperialists, right? We should be isolated and not help foreigners, hmm?

quiglythegreat

He's referring to something the other guy posted. He doesn't want the US involved in other countries...which is fine...but he can't have it both ways.

[QUOTE="out0v0rder"]

Computers andVideogames.

I will not listen to any slander against Americans simply because they invented the two items listed above. I don't care if it's true or not, all I know is that I have a computer and videogames, thanks chaps.

Yarcofin

All of the electronics in your house were invented in Japan, after the US felt sorry for nuking them and gave them a lot of leftover early-stage electronics.

The origin of the internet was with the US Department of Defense in 1969.

The origin of video games was with Ralph Baer, an American who immigrated from Germany.

Simple....if they are healthy they have to work. If necessary they can have suplemental welfare money (if the job really pays that poorly)...but have to have a job. No more sitting at home living off the hard work of others.LJS9502_basic

The American who called Canada socialist earlier in this thread may disagree with your view of what America should be.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Simple....if they are healthy they have to work. If necessary they can have suplemental welfare money (if the job really pays that poorly)...but have to have a job. No more sitting at home living off the hard work of others.Yarcofin

The American who called Canada socialist earlier in this thread may disagree with your view of what America should be.

This concerns me because? The US needs overhauled if it wants to stay a viable wealthy country. Too many issues resolved the wrong way. Unfortunately, politicians have an agenda and it ISN'T to the health of the US.

The origin of video games started with Ralph Baur, an American who immigrated from Germany.MayorJohnny

Was he actually an American citizen, or a German living in America?

Either way, both Google and Wikipedia fail to acknowledge the existance of a "Ralph Baur". Did you spell it wrong and maybe it's Rolf or Ralf? Because I can't find those either. So I'm forced to assume you made it up.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

We are imperialists, right? We should be isolated and not help foreigners, hmm?

LJS9502_basic

He's referring to something the other guy posted. He doesn't want the US involved in other countries...which is fine...but he can't have it both ways.

Are you reffering to me?

Was he actually an American citizen, or a German living in America?

Either way, both Google and Wikipedia fail to acknowledge the existance of a "Ralph Baur". Did you spell it wrong and maybe it's Rolf or Ralf? Because I can't find those either. So I'm forced to assume you made it up.

I didn't make it up. I first found out about this on "Icons" on G4 TV. I didn't spell his name correctly, it's actually "Baer" I'm pretty sure.

He's an American citizen. He worked for an American company that made TVs (I forgot the company name).

Are you reffering to me?

MayorJohnny

No...the dude that said the US should stay out of other countries.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]The origin of video games started with Ralph Baur, an American who immigrated from Germany.Yarcofin

Was he actually an American citizen, or a German living in America?

Either way, both Google and Wikipedia fail to acknowledge the existance of a "Ralph Baur". Did you spell it wrong and maybe it's Rolf or Ralf? Because I can't find those either. So I'm forced to assume you made it up.

Dude....you're on a videogame site and you never heard of Ralph Baer?:o

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

Ha, don't think that I am gonna start loving America. The arguments I hear are pathetic and unconvincing.

The USA is imperialist. Its as if you guys always have to intervene in everything. We all know that the invasion of Iraq was for the oil. As if you cared about the people who we're "oppressed". And why do you keep forcing the UN security council to not intervene in Darfur? (Russia and China are as guilty on that one) Oh right.. its completely unacceptable that Russia or China should get their hands on oil down there. Always trying to get richer, trampling those in your way because they are unimportant. And now lets talk about the anti-missile shield.. hello! the Cold War is over, you don't need to piss off Russia by extending it all the way into western Europe.

Anyway, thats all I have to say for now. You guys won't be on top for ever... one day capitalism shall fall.

MayorJohnny

I never said that I supported Communsim either. I believe there is a perfect balance between capitalism and communism. Very close to socialism. I admire Finlands system honestly, its not perfect but its pretty good.

You are pathetic and unconvincing. That is one of the most ridiculous posts that I've ever read.

You don't like capitalism? Okay, then enjoy the oppression of communism.

The USA isn't purely capitalist, though it definitely isn't socialist.

Why is it the government's job alone to take care of the people? Why can't we take care of each other more often? Are we that selfish and anti-social?

The government's top priority should be to protect the people and to ensure our rights.

It is capitalist. Like states all over the world. Period.

Communism has little to do with a government taking care of people; communism is about the abolition of private property, the root cause - and the necessary foundation - of the capitalist system - you are simply referring to reforms within capitalist states. No, those reforms are not bad though, if the alternative would be capitalism without them.

What rights are you referring to? And what makes those rights more right than others? In the U.N. declaration of human rights it says that it is every man's - and woman's - right to a job. But no-one chooses that him- or herself. Capitalism decides that.

It shows how ridiculously biased you are yourself in your posts - something you accuse others of being. You say that the government shouldn't necessarily take care of people but still it's top priority should be to protect the people. This is the typical liberal-moderate-conservative bull. What the hell is this "protection"?

YES! We are selfish. That doesn't mean we cannot help each other, that is precisely why we care about many things besides sleeping and eating. To please other people, because it pleases ourselves. Put money into the picture, and a system based on ruthless exploitation and competition - in which failure means ruin or even death - and you have a society in which people are not going to be very motivated to help each other - unless we are paid to do it, of course. We usually have enough worries ourselves, about school grades, work, bills, and other troubles we haven't necessarily chosen ourselves.

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="Yarcofin"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] To be honest I'm all for us letting the rest of the world alone. That includes getting the jobs back in the states and not importing much at all. They can then all deal with themselves....MayorJohnny

At least you won't be exploiting people. Anyway relocating all the industry back to the US would be a bad idea. Some of it could come back but the best thing to do would be to pay foreign workers better.

We are imperialists, right? We should be isolated and not help foreigners, hmm?

No. Just because a state is a certain way it doesn't mean that all the people in it, or even a majority of the people in it are like it - not only because an individual is an individual and a state is a state. When your state "helps foreign people", it HAS an agenda. It wants to further it's own goals (political) and someone else's goals (economical). The occupation of Iraq is just ONE example of it.

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

The radical left isn't tolerant of Pro-American opinions, and therefore they are NOT free thinkers.doubutsuteki

The radical right isn't exactly tolerant of anti american opinions.We have two problems here, not one.

Let people decide for themselves without the incredibly biased views being tossed in their faces.

This is a problem with political parties in general. Which is why I advocate their abolishment.

You seriously believe that the abolition of political parties will lead to democracy? - you are implying is that democracy has not been achieved, I'm not arguing against that. How?

1. Political parties are interested only in their agenda against one another. From the "eco friendly" liberal to the "laissez faire" republican. They don't give a crap about anything then their little political wars.

2. Democracy has not been destroyed. But it is being damanged by the failure of the government to correctly inform people on trends and realistic outcomes. No, this is not the result of some "zomg aliums control teh gobernment" cooky conspiracy crap. It is the result of simple negligence and an increasingly polarized populace. It should also be noted that most generations of teenagers after the X generation are becoming more and more disinclined to vote.

[QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="-DSFARGEG-"][QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="-DSFARGEG-"][QUOTE="cametall"]

I love America!

Look at the nations who support us (populace): Poland, Albania, Bosnia. These countries love us because of what we do for the world. They are the small countries that have been aided by America and know what it is like to live under opression (communism).

The nations that despise us? Canada, France, Germany, England, Russia, Italy. These nations have all held a great deal of power (well not Canada, haha) and what did they do with it? Spread communism, oppress the French, oppress the English, oppress the Irish and Scottish, oppress Africa. Sure we did hurt Germany after WWI and had slavery but never destroyed an economy out of spite to the degree these nations (except Canada, haha) punished other nations and races.

Well except Germany, we screwed em pretty bad after WWI (though it was the league of nations too) and they got back at us with Hitler.

Loonie

Should I hate my country?

What do you want me to say? I love England for their poor healthcare! And I love France because they hate everyone! I love Germany because... well I can think of no reason, they're heads are too small so I cannot wear their hats!

also you come off as an ass when you insult other countrys.

plus loling at american calling the english healthcare poor.

Why shouldn't I think we're the best? Because you are unhappy your nation is not a super power? Oh and I am politically incorrect because America lets me be. So I'll insult any country I want.

You are "loling" at poor english healthcare? I don't think having your chances of dying from cancer doubled in the English healthcare system "lol" worthy. Diagnosed with prostate cancer? 52% chane you'll die from it in England, 19% in the US.

And as far as medical procedures go, America is light years ahead of England. People cry about our healthcare system because it isn't free. Guess what? Get a job you live in a capitalist society.

Our healthcare system is not perfect, yes I agree. But to think socialized healthcare is better? No, that is why you do not let the government run things such as healthcare.

I can tell you are going to be an extremely bitter old man once China surpasses the USA in strength and economy.

:lol: China? Surpassing the US in strength AND economy? What the hell are you on? Can I have some?

[QUOTE="Yarcofin"]

People won't work in shoot-me-in-the-head-boring factory jobs for minimum wage when they can make the same amount of money at something less monotonous.

I don't see how 100% domestic jobs would lower taxes, or the welfare rate.

LJS9502_basic

Simple....if they are healthy they have to work. If necessary they can have suplemental welfare money (if the job really pays that poorly)...but have to have a job. No more sitting at home living off the hard work of others.

Heil!

What do you work with by the way, Mr. Moralist?

I renovate a house this summer - for little money, believe me. Will you see to that I get a raise for my hard work? (It is hard work, I can assure you.)

Thought so.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yarcofin"]

People won't work in shoot-me-in-the-head-boring factory jobs for minimum wage when they can make the same amount of money at something less monotonous.

I don't see how 100% domestic jobs would lower taxes, or the welfare rate.

doubutsuteki

Simple....if they are healthy they have to work. If necessary they can have suplemental welfare money (if the job really pays that poorly)...but have to have a job. No more sitting at home living off the hard work of others.

Heil!

What do you work with by the way, Mr. Moralist?

I renovate a house this summer - for little money, believe me. Will you see to that I get a raise for my hard work? (It is hard work, I can assure you.)

Thought so.

:roll: I see...instead of taking responsibility for oneself it's better to sit at home and watch TV rather than *gasp* have a job.

After all....the rest of the country can pay for your food, clothes, etc.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

Ha, don't think that I am gonna start loving America. The arguments I hear are pathetic and unconvincing.

The USA is imperialist. Its as if you guys always have to intervene in everything. We all know that the invasion of Iraq was for the oil. As if you cared about the people who we're "oppressed". And why do you keep forcing the UN security council to not intervene in Darfur? (Russia and China are as guilty on that one) Oh right.. its completely unacceptable that Russia or China should get their hands on oil down there. Always trying to get richer, trampling those in your way because they are unimportant. And now lets talk about the anti-missile shield.. hello! the Cold War is over, you don't need to piss off Russia by extending it all the way into western Europe.

Anyway, thats all I have to say for now. You guys won't be on top for ever... one day capitalism shall fall.

doubutsuteki

I never said that I supported Communsim either. I believe there is a perfect balance between capitalism and communism. Very close to socialism. I admire Finlands system honestly, its not perfect but its pretty good.

You are pathetic and unconvincing. That is one of the most ridiculous posts that I've ever read.

You don't like capitalism? Okay, then enjoy the oppression of communism.

The USA isn't purely capitalist, though it definitely isn't socialist.

Why is it the government's job alone to take care of the people? Why can't we take care of each other more often? Are we that selfish and anti-social?

The government's top priority should be to protect the people and to ensure our rights.

It is capitalist. Like states all over the world. Period.

Communism has little to do with a government taking care of people; communism is about the abolition of private property, the root cause - and the necessary foundation - of the capitalist system - you are simply referring to reforms within capitalist states. No, those reforms are not bad though, if the alternative would be capitalism without them.

What rights are you referring to? And what makes those rights more right than others? In the U.N. declaration of human rights it says that it is every man's - and woman's - right to a job. But no-one chooses that him- or herself. Capitalism decides that.

It shows how ridiculously biased you are yourself in your posts - something you accuse others of being. You say that the government shouldn't necessarily take care of people but still it's top priority should be to protect the people. This is the typical liberal-moderate-conservative bull. What the hell is this "protection"?

YES! We are selfish. That doesn't mean we cannot help each other, that is precisely why we care about many things besides sleeping and eating. To please other people, because it pleases ourselves. Put money into the picture, and a system based on ruthless exploitation and competition - in which failure means ruin or even death - and you have a society in which people are not going to be very motivated to help each other - unless we are paid to do it, of course. We usually have enough worries ourselves, about school grades, work, bills, and other troubles we haven't necessarily chosen ourselves.

How am I "ridiculously biased"? You are the one that seems to be very biased against free enterprise.

The US economy is kind of mixed. There is some government regulation.

By "protection," I mean protection from external threats... Like terrorists, for example. I don't need the government to baby me. I want to EARN what I can.

It's sad that there are already 15 votes for "Yes."

There are a lot of jealous, bitter, and misinformed people out there...

It's sad that there are already 15 votes for "Yes."

There are a lot of jealous, bitter, and misinformed people out there...

MayorJohnny

Haha, people don't have to love your country. And if they don't like it, that doesn't mean that they are jealous, misinformed, and bitter....

i think its people like you that they are specking against. how much do you know about their gov'ts? for all you know they could be completely right.

And are you saying the U.S.A doesn't speak out against other countries? cough...france...cough...freedom fries..cough

[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yarcofin"]

People won't work in shoot-me-in-the-head-boring factory jobs for minimum wage when they can make the same amount of money at something less monotonous.

I don't see how 100% domestic jobs would lower taxes, or the welfare rate.

LJS9502_basic

Simple....if they are healthy they have to work. If necessary they can have suplemental welfare money (if the job really pays that poorly)...but have to have a job. No more sitting at home living off the hard work of others.

Heil!

What do you work with by the way, Mr. Moralist?

I renovate a house this summer - for little money, believe me. Will you see to that I get a raise for my hard work? (It is hard work, I can assure you.)

Thought so.

:roll: I see...instead of taking responsibility for oneself it's better to sit at home and watch TV rather than *gasp* have a job.

After all....the rest of the country can pay for your food, clothes, etc.

I refuse to limit myself to such a perspective.

I would gladly take responsibility for myself. Unfortunately I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth and learnt pretty quickly that there's really no way to make it all by yourself. I live, basically, as long as I can find work, and school and everything up until the day I had my first job was all about preparing me for a life as a worker. I will take welfare rather than starving and being thrown out on the street or having to borrow money from friends, relatives, etc.

I'm not asking other workers give me their wages to pay for my expenses. I encourage them to take more from the capitalists - there's no reason I would hinder them because the capitalists are the ones feeding off of their surplus labour.

I like America. I live here, make a great living, and I'm living a good life.

Is hate of America unwarranted? Not really in some cases, but is it a a cliche'? Definately. As far as historical blemishes, the US is far down on the list when compared to Europe and so called other "civilized" countries out there.