Have you bought into the biased slander against America?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

But if you want to dwell on the Native Americans....many were killed by....EUROPEANS.:lol:

double_decker

....Of course they were killed by Europeans.......only a fool would say such a thing. With that logic, we should blame the Iraq war on the Europeanssince the American's are from Europe (yes, Britain participated but it was Bush's plan).

[QUOTE="double_decker"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

But if you want to dwell on the Native Americans....many were killed by....EUROPEANS.:lol:

jointed

....Of course they were killed by Europeans.......only a fool would say such a thing. With that logic, we should blame the Iraq war on the Europeanssince the American's are from Europe (yes, Britain participated but it was Bush's plan).

And what does the Iraq War have to do with this?

I am British and extremely proud of it, all ill say is,

America We Owned You literally :D

....Of course they were killed by Europeans.......only a fool would say such a thing. With that logic, we should blame the Iraq war on the Europeanssince the American's are from Europe (yes, Britain participated but it was Bush's plan).

jointed

[QUOTE="jointed"]

This is ridiculous....

Show me the quote were I said that the US are (was? ......) much worse then Europe....

LJS9502_basic

Saying you can think of nothing Europe did that was worse than what the US did...does, in fact, mean you feel the US is much wose than Europe. It's how the language works....

....you're using the same logic you used when you called me anti-american...

I can't think of any thing that is FAR (far, understand what it means? good) worse than what the US did...

Far, in this case, is an adjective and THAT is how language works....

Computers andVideogames.

I will not listen to any slander against Americans simply because they invented the two items listed above. I don't care if it's true or not, all I know is that I have a computer and videogames, thanks chaps.

out0v0rder

Computers were invented my a number of people from different nationality's the same goes for video games.

I am British and extremely proud of it, all ill say is,

America We Owned You literally :D

gamerchris810

There are so many things wrong with that....

And what does the Iraq War have to do with this?

Guiltfeeder566

Nothing....he's just trying to save face. Though he fails to realize the first settlers were European colonists...so Europeans killed Native Americans.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

....Of course they were killed by Europeans.......only a fool would say such a thing. With that logic, we should blame the Iraq war on the Europeanssince the American's are from Europe (yes, Britain participated but it was Bush's plan).

double_decker

Sorry about that mate, I've had a bad day....

[QUOTE="thetraitor"]I'm Canadian, so yeah, sorry.MayorJohnny

Sorry? No, you must WANT to believe it.

America doesn't like you. America is greedy. America is mean.

You like that? Makes you feel better about your little country?

Really....saying that you belive it because you areCanadian is ridiculous.

[QUOTE="out0v0rder"]

Computers andVideogames.

I will not listen to any slander against Americans simply because they invented the two items listed above. I don't care if it's true or not, all I know is that I have a computer and videogames, thanks chaps.

gamerchris810

Computers were invented my a number of people from different nationality's the same goes for video games.

But but... Al Gore intenteded the internetz! lol@people

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

This is ridiculous....

Show me the quote were I said that the US are (was? ......) much worse then Europe....

jointed

Saying you can think of nothing Europe did that was worse than what the US did...does, in fact, mean you feel the US is much wose than Europe. It's how the language works....

....you're using the same logic you used when you called me anti-american...

I can't think of any thing that is FAR (far, understand what it means? good) worse than what the US did...

Far, in this case, is an adjective and THAT is how language works....

Read up on European history then...it's littered with FAR worse things. Logic dictates that your words mean exactly what you stated....which is what you stated. Playing games now does not negate the fact that you said the US is worse than Europe...a continuing theme with you.

Sorry about that mate, I've had a bad day....

jointed

I agree, we have to account for bias. However, it shouldn't be an excuse to ignore what is being said, because even the most biased of opinions hold some water.

Furthermore, with the increased pace towards globalization, loose forms of world government are becoming a reality. In many ways, they already are a reality. When it comes down to it, collectively, every member of the current UN board controls the world to a large extent. Economically, politically, socially, etc. As a member and as arguably the most influential country in the world, we have to consider our world opinion; just as our president should consider his own domestic opinion.

rimnet00

I didn't say to disregard it....just don't take it at face value. If you think you're on the right path it wouldn't be prudent to change course just to be liked. And for the record, I'm not a fan of the current administration.

[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]

And what does the Iraq War have to do with this?

LJS9502_basic

Nothing....he's just trying to save face. Though he fails to realize the first settlers were European colonists...so Europeans killed Native Americans.

I'm not trying to save face......I don't need to.

I replied to what you wrote about the European settlers LJ......

and Guiltfeeder566 why are you even replying? If you can't see the bigger picture in what i wrote, then I don't know why I'm wasting my time on this...

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

I agree, we have to account for bias. However, it shouldn't be an excuse to ignore what is being said, because even the most biased of opinions hold some water.

Furthermore, with the increased pace towards globalization, loose forms of world government are becoming a reality. In many ways, they already are a reality. When it comes down to it, collectively, every member of the current UN board controls the world to a large extent. Economically, politically, socially, etc. As a member and as arguably the most influential country in the world, we have to consider our world opinion; just as our president should consider his own domestic opinion.

LJS9502_basic

I didn't say to disregard it....just don't take it at face value. If you think you're on the right path it wouldn't be prudent to change course just to be liked. And for the record, I'm not a fan of the current administration.

Well then, I think we are both on the same page then. =)

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

:roll:

Come with some examples of actions Europeans has done that's FAR worse than any of America's...

LJS9502_basic

Holocaust....hands down.

Not to mention the suppression of African culture to the point where the vast majority of the continent is in economic, and as a result, political, turmoil.

Yes...that is another...plus a part in the Armenian genocide of WW1.

That were the Ottomans...Turkey is Asia for the most part; They can hardly be considered Europeans.

Now is the US worse than Europe or vice versa?

None is better. they both did horrible things.

Do I hate America? No.

Do I like America? no, I'm neutral against them.

I don't see any utility in blaming he majority of the population for the stupid things their chimp of a president is doing.

I don't blame the majority of the people for the medieval mentality of baptists (let's face it, those are typically American).

There's good people there, and there's bad people there.

Like always in such cases, outside of the country in question, one hears only the bad stuff.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]

And what does the Iraq War have to do with this?

jointed

Nothing....he's just trying to save face. Though he fails to realize the first settlers were European colonists...so Europeans killed Native Americans.

I'm not trying to save face......I don't need to.

I replied to what you wrote about the European settlers LJ......

and Guiltfeeder566 why are you even replying? If you can't see the bigger picture in what i wrote, then I don't know why I'm wasting my time on this...

No you didn't....you added unnecessary facts to the discussion that had nothing to do with what I said. America and Americans did not exist at the start. European colonies existed. Note the difference please.:)

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

This is ridiculous....

Show me the quote were I said that the US are (was? ......) much worse then Europe....

LJS9502_basic

Saying you can think of nothing Europe did that was worse than what the US did...does, in fact, mean you feel the US is much wose than Europe. It's how the language works....

....you're using the same logic you used when you called me anti-american...

I can't think of any thing that is FAR (far, understand what it means? good) worse than what the US did...

Far, in this case, is an adjective and THAT is how language works....

Read up on European history then...it's littered with FAR worse things. Logic dictates that your words mean exactly what you stated....which is what you stated. Playing games now does not negate the fact that you said the US is worse than Europe...a continuing theme with you.

I know a fair share about European AND American history and you would agree with what I'm saying if you knew too...

ALL the western nations played their parts in the 1800s....including the US (Japan, China and Africa) ....

You're the one who's playing games and are accusing me of things I never said.....a continuing theme with you.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Yes...that is another...plus a part in the Armenian genocide of WW1.

Avitu666

That were the Ottomans...Turkey is Asia for the most part; They can hardly be considered Europeans

Note....I said a part in the genocide...which Europe did.;)

[QUOTE="Avitu666"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Yes...that is another...plus a part in the Armenian genocide of WW1.

LJS9502_basic

That were the Ottomans...Turkey is Asia for the most part; They can hardly be considered Europeans

Note....I said a part in the genocide...which Europe did.;)

Ah, which part did they play then? Because that eludes me...The Ottoman Empire was ASIA, not Europe.

I know a fair share about European AND American history and you would agree with what I'm saying if you knew too...

ALL the western nations played their parts in the 1800s....including the US (Japan, China and Africa) ....

You're the one who's playing games and are accusing me of things I never said.....a continuing theme with you.

jointed

:lol: I have to hand it to you...no matter how many people tell you what you said is incorrect...you keep doggedly repeating it as if repetition makes it so.

Anyway, I know quite a bit about American AND European history.....I like history. It fascinates me...and while I never said the US hasn't done things they should be ashamed of....you're the one negating the things Europe did. I will hardly agree with that.

Your words dude....you said it. Yes, I read posts and called people on their mistakes. Admit you made one.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

I know a fair share about European AND American history and you would agree with what I'm saying if you knew too...

ALL the western nations played their parts in the 1800s....including the US (Japan, China and Africa) ....

You're the one who's playing games and are accusing me of things I never said.....a continuing theme with you.

LJS9502_basic

:lol: I have to hand it to you...no matter how many people tell you what you said is incorrect...you keep doggedly repeating it as if repetition makes it so.

Anyway, I know quite a bit about American AND European history.....I like history. It fascinates me...and while I never said the US hasn't done things they should be ashamed of....you're the one negating the things Europe did. I will hardly agree with that.

Your words dude....you said it. Yes, I read posts and called people on their mistakes. Admit you made one.

No matter how many? You mean you, and that other guy?

You're putting words in my mouth to strengthen your arguement like you always do...

All I've said in this debate is that Europe has not done FAR worse things than America...that's all. America was involved in the destruction of the Chinese and arguably the Japanese society, Europeans in the middle and south African one.....

They're both to blame for the things that happened during the 1800s....

Ah, which part did they play then? Because that eludes me...The Ottoman Empire was ASIA, not Europe.

Avitu666

Germany and Austria-Hungary were allies of the Ottomen Empire. The Germans and Austrians trained the Ottomens...and helped cover up what occured in some cases. As I said...a part.

[QUOTE="Avitu666"]

Ah, which part did they play then? Because that eludes me...The Ottoman Empire was ASIA, not Europe.

LJS9502_basic

Germany and Austria-Hungary were allies of the Ottomen Empire. The Germans and Austrians trained the Ottomens...and helped cover up what occured in some cases. As I said...a part.

I hardly see Christian nations helping Muslims in a genocide of Christians...because christians in those days were way to fanatic to do that.

you see, the reason Armenians and Arameans were murdered en masse, was religion. And the Europeans knew that.

No matter how many? You mean you, and that other guy?

You're putting words in my mouth to strengthen your arguement like you always do...

All I've said in this debate is that Europe has not done FAR worse things than America...that's all. America was involved in the destruction of the Chinese and arguably the Japanese society, Europeans in the middle and south African one.....

They're both to blame for the things that happened during the 1800s....

jointed

No..there were others but they left. The Holocaust is much worse than waging a war. Japan was attacked because they attacked us. The Holocaust was the genocide of a people that were NOT at war. Every country in Europe has done things to be ashamed of....and some are FAR WORSE than anything the US did.

You weren't standing on equal ground either....you were bashing the US. Reread your posts.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Avitu666"]

Ah, which part did they play then? Because that eludes me...The Ottoman Empire was ASIA, not Europe.

Avitu666

Germany and Austria-Hungary were allies of the Ottomen Empire. The Germans and Austrians trained the Ottomens...and helped cover up what occured in some cases. As I said...a part.

I hardly see Christian nations helping Muslims in a genocide of Christians...because christians in those days were way to fanatic to do that.

you see, the reason Armenians and Arameans were murdered en masse, was religion. And the Europeans knew that.

Your point? They had European allies and the allies helped. /discussion. Just for the record....Hitler had Catholics...which are Christian...put to death in the death camps as well.

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[QUOTE="Avitu666"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Avitu666"]

Ah, which part did they play then? Because that eludes me...The Ottoman Empire was ASIA, not Europe.

LJS9502_basic

Germany and Austria-Hungary were allies of the Ottomen Empire. The Germans and Austrians trained the Ottomens...and helped cover up what occured in some cases. As I said...a part.

I hardly see Christian nations helping Muslims in a genocide of Christians...because christians in those days were way to fanatic to do that.

you see, the reason Armenians and Arameans were murdered en masse, was religion. And the Europeans knew that.

Your point? They had European allies and the allies helped. /discussion. Just for the record....Hitler had Catholics...which are Christian...put to death in the death camps as well.

And what does Hitler have to do with the Aramean/armenian genocide? Nothing.Those were two different genocides for two different reasons. You're comparing apples to oranges there.

I mean, if we take your logic about allies, we get: The USA were the allies of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war...so the USA are partly to blame for the persecution of minorities in Iraq during that time...

And what does Hitler have to do with the Aramean/armenian genocide? Nothing. You're comparing apples to oranges there.

I mean, if we take your logic about allies, we get: The USA were the allies of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war...so the USA are partly to blame for the persecution of minorities in Iraq during that time...

Avitu666

Linked for the second time.

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They seem to blame Europe as well....

[QUOTE="jointed"]

No matter how many? You mean you, and that other guy?

You're putting words in my mouth to strengthen your arguement like you always do...

All I've said in this debate is that Europe has not done FAR worse things than America...that's all. America was involved in the destruction of the Chinese and arguably the Japanese society, Europeans in the middle and south African one.....

They're both to blame for the things that happened during the 1800s....

LJS9502_basic

No..there were others but they left. The Holocaust is much worse than waging a war. Japan was attacked because they attacked us. The Holocaust was the genocide of a people that were NOT at war. Every country in Europe has done things to be ashamed of....and some are FAR WORSE than anything the US did.

You weren't standing on equal ground either....you were bashing the US. Reread your posts.

The Americans killed the indians....This comes up on equal ground with the holocaust.....Yes we call them Americans, since it wasn't just the first European settlers who killed indians....It went on for generations..

I don't mean the atomic bombs, I mean the blockade the Americans initiated when the Japanese refused to trade with them in the 1800s edo japan....

I'm still saying that the Americans and Europeans was equally cruel....

There's a reason for most of the America bashing and it's called jealousy. The most powerful nation in the world will allways inspire some level of hatred. Just like Britain and Rome had it.hair001

That is a stupid comparison.. The reason why people had so much animosity for those two governments is because the iron heel they had at so many peoples throats... They conquered multiple nations, thats not jealous, thats hate for not getting the hell out of their own country..

[QUOTE="hair001"]There's a reason for most of the America bashing and it's called jealousy. The most powerful nation in the world will allways inspire some level of hatred. Just like Britain and Rome had it.sSubZerOo

That is a stupid comparison.. The reason why people had so much animosity for those two governments is because the iron heel they had at so many peoples throats... They conquered multiple nations, thats not jealous, thats hate for not getting the hell out of their own country..

The Americans killed the indians....This comes up on equal ground with the holocaust.....Yes we call them Americans, since it wasn't just the first European settlers who killed indians....It went on for generations..

I don't mean the atomic bombs, I mean the blockade the Americans initiated when the Japanese refused to trade with them in the 1800s edo japan....

I'm still saying that the Americans and Europeans was equally cruel....jointed

Nope....try as you might....that was not your initial statement. Native Americans were killed from the start...yes, by Europeans. I thought you said you knew history? The first thing that killed them was diseases the Europeans brought to the country that they hadn't been exposed to in which to build up an immunity. They also killed them with guns.

1800's...are you talking Russian Japanese War?

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

dbowman,

Why do you and others have to preface it? Why not just simply like America?

killer5555666

I think you have lost your mind.

LOL.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hair001"]There's a reason for most of the America bashing and it's called jealousy. The most powerful nation in the world will allways inspire some level of hatred. Just like Britain and Rome had it.hair001

That is a stupid comparison.. The reason why people had so much animosity for those two governments is because the iron heel they had at so many peoples throats... They conquered multiple nations, thats not jealous, thats hate for not getting the hell out of their own country..

Buddy if we had that kind of "Jealousy" as it were every RICH person in every nation would be dead. American's are recieving hate as of now due to the politics as it stands.. Why the hell should any one care about us, they don't what so ever.. And I think it utter 5th grade retardation that people want to come and kill us, or at least berate us because they are "jealous".. That is a excuse.

No it clearly has nothing to do with our poor political policies we have had for the past 30 years of supporting every dictator in power in the middle east! No it clearly has nothing to do with the fact we have backed out and broken tons of national laws in the past few years from the missle defense program, nuclear weapons devolpment, to the issue of torture! No clearly it has nothing to do with the fact we go against any kind of economical change enviromental wise, or the fact that our government is controled by business and lobbiests!.

Its hilarious really, are poeple this stupid to believe all this animosity towards a person or a nation has to do with jealousy? Even if a person is jealous of some one, do they go out of their way to punch them in the face.. NO. The reason why people critize us is because we are suppose to be the best and most times we are not. They see its the US responsibility on multiple matters to be the role model and in the past years we have failed miserably.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

The Americans killed the indians....This comes up on equal ground with the holocaust.....Yes we call them Americans, since it wasn't just the first European settlers who killed indians....It went on for generations..

I don't mean the atomic bombs, I mean the blockade the Americans initiated when the Japanese refused to trade with them in the 1800s edo japan....

I'm still saying that the Americans and Europeans was equally cruel....LJS9502_basic

Nope....try as you might....that was not your initial statement. Native Americans were killed from the start...yes, by Europeans. I thought you said you knew history? The first thing that killed them was diseases the Europeans brought to the country that they hadn't been exposed to in which to build up an immunity. They also killed them with guns.

1800's...are you talking Russian Japanese War?

I know very well that the Indians was killed by diseases.....but it wasn't only the diseases.

The European settlers back then was as European as you are today....You can call them what you want, they're still the peoplethat founded the US. It's a complicated arguement.....when did they change from being Europeans to being Americans?

And is I said before, it wasnt just the first European settlers who killed indians......it went on for generations.

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I'm talking about the American blockade of Edo Japan in the 1800s....before The First Japanese Miracle

I know very well that the Indians was killed by diseases.....but it wasn't only the diseases.

The European settlers back then was as European as you are today....You can call them what you want, they're still the peoplethat founded the US. It's a complicated arguement.....when did they change from being Europeans to being Americans?

And is I said before, it wasnt just the first European settlers who killed indians......it went on for generations.

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I'm talking about the American blockade of Edo Japan in the 1800s....before The First Japanese Miracle

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When they were no longer under the control of another country....which was a few centuries from creation. Many times it was a fight between the two.

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Not as bad as the Holocaust.

I have not bought into this alleged "anti-American propoganda".

EboyLOL

The only question I have here is why do"certain" Americans think everyone is jealous of them? :? What could we be jealous of, Canada/Europe has everything that America does, sure there are some unique differences but it's nothing that would cause jealousy. billnye69

I highly doubt that Canada and Europe (especially Europe) has everything that the USA has. At least not at the same price!

The USA has the #1 economy in the world. Unemployment is currently very low (LOL @ France).

Did you know that Americans actually work longer than most other people in other countries? We're not just a bunch of arrogant fat cats that think that we're better than everyone else. We're great because of our freedom and our capitalism.