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I think that some of you would rather live in a totalitarian country rather than let go of your hatred of America. You stubborn people, if the USA wasn't around there would be more oppression around the world.
Call me arrogant. I'm telling the truth.
[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"][QUOTE="carpon"]*Edit- I just wanted to add that personally I support capitalism, despite its flaws, because true communism will, in my opinion, be near impossible to achieve. And Stalinism is certainly not a good alternative.
MayorJohnny
I don't know what "true communism is", except that I know that it must include the abolition of private ownership of the means of production in favour of common ownership. People will sort out something that works well to cope with any problems in such a society - and it should be up to them, and it can only be up to them once capitalism has been destroyed. The rule of capital can never mean freedom - except freedom for those who have money.
You are moronic. You have serious problems, and it seems that no one can ever change your stubborn and unrealistic opinions.
You want capitalism destroyed. You think that capitalism is about exploitation. Well, true capitalism isn't about "exploitation" just like you say that true communism isn't about "control."
You are a hypocrite. You disgust me.
If capitalism isnt about exploitation (lol) what is it then about? Do you even KNOW what the ideology of Capitalism is?
[QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="Arsenal140"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Arsenal140"]jointed
OK america wasnt the worst nation in history and they wern't the first the do messed up things but they are the most recent...im sure Europe was just as hated when they were invadibg everyone.....Once America loses its power and something replaces it (most likely China) they will be the most hated. but for now quite whinning and relise they you are the most hated country in the world....END OF STORY
First, i agree with both of you. The US does receive tons of unnecessary hate, but on the other hand, we have SO MANY IDIOTS. Sometimes i wish the South just seceded, it would really make us look better. However, other countries have plenty of idiots, but since we are the world power, is just magnified by our media and other countries alike. Still, our president is an idiot. I didn't think was that bad until 2006, but now i just can't stand him. I'd chose (almost) anyone over him now. I can't stand all of his religious motivations, horrible speaches, and bad policies.
But on the other hand, every country has a few bad leaders, so it's not like we're the only one. It really is unfortunate that so many Europeans stereotype all Americans off of him, when really we had to choose the lesser of two evils (a common problem during elections here).
Also, exactly why do you think China will be the next world power? They have MANY social and economical problems. Over 80% of the country is STILL in agriculture as a job, and there are so many people that they can't control them all. Not to mention that in some places they speak entirely different languages. China has a LONG way to go before they reach the top.
They are ahead of most countrys with considerable size and also they are the closest to America in terms of the military (although they are still very far behind)
The UK are the ones closest to the US when It comes to military.....The only things China's got going for themare their numbers...and that's close to useless in modern warfare..
more people more soldiers....Britain is ahead of china in technology but 1 BILLION people counts for something
True, no one can predict what will happend if China engages in a totalwar (Total war is a military conflict in which nations mobilize all available resources in order to destroy another nation's ability to engage in war...for thoes who don't know)
I can. China will be steamrolled. Why do people think the Chinese can beat a country which spends more than 6% of its GDP on military expenditures? Are people forgetting the fact that US fields more than 100 high level bombers capable of dropping hundreds of nuclear warheads all at once? I hate how people continuously underestimate the utter supremacy of the USAAF and Navy. Yeah the Army and Marine core are starting to fall back, but anyone who thinks they can defeat a Navy as absurdly well prepared for frontline war like the USN is foolish.
How is an American that critiques America not a free thinker? Vyse_The_Daring
"I can. China will be steamrolled. Why do people think the Chinese can beat a country which spends more than 6% of its GDP on military expenditures? Are people forgetting the fact that US fields more than 100 high level bombers capable of dropping hundreds of nuclear warheads all at once? I hate how people continuously underestimate the utter supremacy of the USAAF and Navy. Yeah the Army and Marine core are starting to fall back, but anyone who thinks they can defeat a Navy as absurdly well prepared for frontline war like the USN is foolish."
China won't be steamrolled, land forces do the steamrolling, not aircraft or ships, send 1 million marines into mainland china and they won't be coming home. Use your brain.
"I can. China will be steamrolled. Why do people think the Chinese can beat a country which spends more than 6% of its GDP on military expenditures? Are people forgetting the fact that US fields more than 100 high level bombers capable of dropping hundreds of nuclear warheads all at once? I hate how people continuously underestimate the utter supremacy of the USAAF and Navy. Yeah the Army and Marine core are starting to fall back, but anyone who thinks they can defeat a Navy as absurdly well prepared for frontline war like the USN is foolish."
China won't be steamrolled, land forces do the steamrolling, not aircraft or ships, send 1 million marines into mainland china and they won't be coming home. Use your brain.
Gangans
:roll: Use yours god damnet. How are China's armies supposed to fight the Marine Core if they've been vaporized to high hell? Do you even understand how combined arms tactics work? Do you even know what the definition of itis?
[QUOTE="Gangans"]"I can. China will be steamrolled. Why do people think the Chinese can beat a country which spends more than 6% of its GDP on military expenditures? Are people forgetting the fact that US fields more than 100 high level bombers capable of dropping hundreds of nuclear warheads all at once? I hate how people continuously underestimate the utter supremacy of the USAAF and Navy. Yeah the Army and Marine core are starting to fall back, but anyone who thinks they can defeat a Navy as absurdly well prepared for frontline war like the USN is foolish."
China won't be steamrolled, land forces do the steamrolling, not aircraft or ships, send 1 million marines into mainland china and they won't be coming home. Use your brain.
CaptHawkeye
:roll: Use yours god damnet. How are China's armies supposed to fight the Marine Core if they've been vaporized to high hell? Do you even understand how combined arms tactics work? Do you even know what the definition of itis?
Believe me, the US would not want to start a nuclear war in times like these....
And a country can have power with having a big army...
Believe me, the US would not want to start a nuclear war in times like these....jointed
Niether would China. But the point of a China vs. US debate always comes down to some kind of absurd scenario as to why they would fight eachother.
And a country can have power with having a big army...
Did I say it couldn't? Thing is, your army's size will mean absolutely jack **** if your enemy fields an Air Force and Navy vastly superior to your own which is backed up by an industrial infrastructure capable of turning out equipment at an unparralleled rate.
I am American and let me just say that constantly claiming America is the best country, and the "free-world" is obnoxious and annoying to even me. I AM obnoxious and annoying. I have a TALENT for that....
Do you like the kid in school who always brags about himself, even if he doesn't deliever, and annoys everyone. No? Well then America should annoy you in some ways, though not all.
[QUOTE="jointed"]Believe me, the US would not want to start a nuclear war in times like these....CaptHawkeye
Niether would China. But the point of a China vs. US debate always comes down to some kind of absurd scenario as to why they would fight eachother.
And a country can have power with having a big army...
Did I say it couldn't? Thing is, your army's size will mean absolutely jack **** if your enemy fields an Air Force and Navy vastly superior to your own which is backed up by an industrial infrastructure capable of turning out equipment at an unparralleled rate.
Yeah, but China could easily rearrange their industrial priorities....
And if they really wanted to hurt the US....they would take back the trillions of dollars borrowed by the yanks....
And a war between only China and the US is impossible because of the great distance between the nations....
I am American and let me just say that constantly claiming America is the best country, and the "free-world" is obnoxious and annoying to even me. I AM obnoxious and annoying. I have a TALENT for that....
Do you like the kid in school who always brags about himself, even if he doesn't deliever, and annoys everyone. No? Well then America should annoy you in some ways, though not all.
Narroo
Yes, though it's a misconception that many Americans are arrogant.
Haven't you seen the "Proudly Canadian" sigs on these forums? Well, is there a double standard for Canadians? If Americans are proud, we're arrogant! It's not fair.
[QUOTE="Narroo"]I am American and let me just say that constantly claiming America is the best country, and the "free-world" is obnoxious and annoying to even me. I AM obnoxious and annoying. I have a TALENT for that....
Do you like the kid in school who always brags about himself, even if he doesn't deliever, and annoys everyone. No? Well then America should annoy you in some ways, though not all.
MayorJohnny
Yes, though it's a misconception that many Americans are arrogant.
Haven't you seen the "Proudly Canadian" sigs on these forums? Well, is there a double standard for Canadians? If Americans are proud, were' arogant! It's not fair.
How do those make them ignorant? :?Yeah, but China could easily rearrange their industrial priorities....jointed
With what? Their barely fed,disgruntled citizenry? I'd like to see how that turns out.
And if they really wanted to hurt the US....they would take back the trillions of dollars borrowed by the yanks....
Just like the yanks could cut off all of their support. Trade embargos happen all the time in war. Your acting like nations aren't used to suddenly cutting off trade with one another during times of war.
And a war between only China and the US is impossible because of the great distance between the nations....
Yes, i'm sure the distancewill pose a vast challenge to a Navy capable of being literally anywhere in the world in less than 2 days.
It has worked in the past, Japan after ww2 being a perfect example.Communism will always fail. People can become too corrupt.
I'd rather be a poor, free man than be rich and sell my soul to the state.
MayorJohnny
[QUOTE="jointed"]Yeah, but China could easily rearrange their industrial priorities....CaptHawkeye
With what? Their barely fed, on the verge of rebellion pissed off citizenry? I'd like to see how that turns out.
And if they really wanted to hurt the US....they would take back the trillions of dollars borrowed by the yanks....
Just like the yanks could cut off all of their support. Trade embargos happen all the time in war. Your acting like nations aren't used to suddenly cutting off trade with one another during times of war.
And a war between only China and the US is impossible because of the great distance between the nations....
Yes, i'm sure the distancewill pose a vast challenge to a Navy capable of being literally anywhere in the world in less than 2 days.
Lol first of all, you've got a completely distorted picture of China....not their military though
China imports almost nothing at all from foreign nations so embargoes wouldnt be a problem for them at all....They're the worlds no.1 exporter though.
And the US earns China a HUGE amount of money (The debt has added up over time) and if China was to take it back, the US economy would suffer drasticly. This is why most people (including experts) are worried....
The other problem with China is that all they do is saving their money.....they have a massive surplus and no one knows what they'll use it on.
EDIT: It's not as if a carrier has unlimited fuel and food....this is were nations like Japan comes into play
The way China has been become overly dependent on other countrys for food is an achilles heel that the U.S. can easily exploit, simple blocades would result in the starvations of incredible numbers of civilians and troops, they'd be out of the war pretty damn fast."I can. China will be steamrolled. Why do people think the Chinese can beat a country which spends more than 6% of its GDP on military expenditures? Are people forgetting the fact that US fields more than 100 high level bombers capable of dropping hundreds of nuclear warheads all at once? I hate how people continuously underestimate the utter supremacy of the USAAF and Navy. Yeah the Army and Marine core are starting to fall back, but anyone who thinks they can defeat a Navy as absurdly well prepared for frontline war like the USN is foolish."
China won't be steamrolled, land forces do the steamrolling, not aircraft or ships, send 1 million marines into mainland china and they won't be coming home. Use your brain.
Gangans
If capitalism isnt about exploitation (lol) what is it then about? Do you even KNOW what the ideology of Capitalism is?
jointed
It's a free market dominated by private business'. That's what the ideology is.
[QUOTE="Gangans"]The way China has been become overly dependent on other countrys for food is an achilles heel that the U.S. can easily exploit, simple blocades would result in the starvations of incredible numbers of civilians and troops, they'd be out of the war pretty damn fast."I can. China will be steamrolled. Why do people think the Chinese can beat a country which spends more than 6% of its GDP on military expenditures? Are people forgetting the fact that US fields more than 100 high level bombers capable of dropping hundreds of nuclear warheads all at once? I hate how people continuously underestimate the utter supremacy of the USAAF and Navy. Yeah the Army and Marine core are starting to fall back, but anyone who thinks they can defeat a Navy as absurdly well prepared for frontline war like the USN is foolish."
China won't be steamrolled, land forces do the steamrolling, not aircraft or ships, send 1 million marines into mainland china and they won't be coming home. Use your brain.
yoshi-lnex
It's not like I'm some pro-china guy but I have to correct this statement mate..
China's industry is 80% agriculture, food won't be a problem. Many think that China has a starving population but this isn't true
[QUOTE="Gangans"]The way China has been become overly dependent on other countrys for food is an achilles heel that the U.S. can easily exploit, simple blocades would result in the starvations of incredible numbers of civilians and troops, they'd be out of the war pretty damn fast."I can. China will be steamrolled. Why do people think the Chinese can beat a country which spends more than 6% of its GDP on military expenditures? Are people forgetting the fact that US fields more than 100 high level bombers capable of dropping hundreds of nuclear warheads all at once? I hate how people continuously underestimate the utter supremacy of the USAAF and Navy. Yeah the Army and Marine core are starting to fall back, but anyone who thinks they can defeat a Navy as absurdly well prepared for frontline war like the USN is foolish."
China won't be steamrolled, land forces do the steamrolling, not aircraft or ships, send 1 million marines into mainland china and they won't be coming home. Use your brain.
yoshi-lnex
Not to mention that any infrastructure that could used for the war effort could easilly be wiped out from the air ballistic missles.
China doesn't have projection of power, the US does.
Lol first of all, you've got a completely distorted picture of China....not their military thoughjointed
:roll: Oh come off of it. I'm only calling it as it is. You're the one making up wanktastic magical scenarios which somehow allow a country barely capable of feeding itself to face off against the industrial juggernaut that is the United States.
China imports almost nothing at all from foreign nations so embargoes wouldnt be a problem for them at all....They're the worlds no.1 exporter though.
More irrelevant crap. Believe it or not, world economies existed before China became a mass exporter. But you don't seem to understand that.
And the US earns China a HUGE amount of money (The debt has added up over time) and if China was to take it back, the US economy would suffer drasticly. This is why most people (including experts) are worried....
And do you think any of that will matter in wartime? If China were to suddenly withdraw from the world economy do you think depression would hit thevery next day? Economic trends aren't instanenous moron.Or did you fall asleep in Regents History when they told war ****ING CREATES BUSINESS.
The other problem with China is that all they do is saving their money.....they have a massive surplus and no one knows what they'll use it on.
:roll: Oh ffs.It doesn't matter how much surplus money China has got. Do you honestly think the US would just sit on its ass and let the Chinese just build up their god damn infrastructure during a time of war? Real life isn't an episode of Star Trek for christ sake. The United States isn't just going to say "Ok China, we'll give you a running start of 10 seconds. Go!"
Better yet, tell me how exactly China is going to break it to its people that the money it could have spent on food went to the military instead.
[QUOTE="jointed"]If capitalism isnt about exploitation (lol) what is it then about? Do you even KNOW what the ideology of Capitalism is?
Donkey_Puncher
It's a free market dominated by private business'. That's what the ideology is.
Yeah, and what do the private businesses want to do? Profit. How do they profit? By paying the labourers less, than what the product they make is worth. This results in exploitation. True capitalism is ALL about finding cheap labour.
It's not like I'm some pro-china guy but I have to correct this statement mate..jointed
No one claimed you were. Stop strawmanning people.
China's industry is 80% agriculture, food won't be a problem. Many think that China has a starving population but this isn't true
Burden of proof is on you. Back these claims up.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Gangans"]The way China has been become overly dependent on other countrys for food is an achilles heel that the U.S. can easily exploit, simple blocades would result in the starvations of incredible numbers of civilians and troops, they'd be out of the war pretty damn fast."I can. China will be steamrolled. Why do people think the Chinese can beat a country which spends more than 6% of its GDP on military expenditures? Are people forgetting the fact that US fields more than 100 high level bombers capable of dropping hundreds of nuclear warheads all at once? I hate how people continuously underestimate the utter supremacy of the USAAF and Navy. Yeah the Army and Marine core are starting to fall back, but anyone who thinks they can defeat a Navy as absurdly well prepared for frontline war like the USN is foolish."
China won't be steamrolled, land forces do the steamrolling, not aircraft or ships, send 1 million marines into mainland china and they won't be coming home. Use your brain.
jointed
It's not like I'm some pro-china guy but I have to correct this statement mate..
China's industry is 80% agriculture, food won't be a problem. Many think that China has a starving population but this isn't true
and have you forgotten how they are paving over, building over, and otherwise destroying large amounts of arable land? That's why they've been buying larger and larger amounts of food from other countrys, they can no longer support themselfs on their supplies alone.Yeah, and what do the private businesses want to do? Profit. How do they profit? By paying the labourers less, than what the product they make is worth. This results in exploitation. True capitalism is ALL about finding cheap labour.
jointed
No.
True Captialism is about private business. Exploitation always ends up with the work force revolting and a potential collapse of the market. Just look at the industrial revolution and the creation of Unions and labor laws.
It isn't advantageous to exploit workers in the long run considering they ARE your work force. Plus you're forgetting labor laws in general.
[QUOTE="jointed"]
Lol first of all, you've got a completely distorted picture of China....not their military thoughCaptHawkeye
:roll: Oh come off of it. I'm only calling it as it is. You're the one making up wanktastic magical scenarios which somehow allow a country barely capable of feeding itself to face off against the industrial juggernaut that is the United States.
China imports almost nothing at all from foreign nations so embargoes wouldnt be a problem for them at all....They're the worlds no.1 exporter though.
More irrelevant crap. Believe it or not, world economies existed before China became a mass exporter. But you don't seem to understand that.
And the US earns China a HUGE amount of money (The debt has added up over time) and if China was to take it back, the US economy would suffer drasticly. This is why most people (including experts) are worried....
And do you think any of that will matter in wartime? If China were to suddenly withdraw from the world economy do you think depression would hit thevery next day? Economic trends aren't instanenous moron.Or did you fall asleep in Regents History when they told war ****ING CREATES BUSINESS.
The other problem with China is that all they do is saving their money.....they have a massive surplus and no one knows what they'll use it on.
:roll: Oh ffs.It doesn't matter how much surplus money China has got. Do you honestly think the US would just sit on its ass and let the Chinese just build up their god damn infrastructure during a time of war? Real life isn't an episode of Star Trek for christ sake. The United States isn't just going to say "Ok China, we'll give you a running start of 10 seconds. Go!"
Better yet, tell me how exactly China is going to break it to its people that the money it could have spent on food went to the military instead.
ok, first of all, take a deeeeep breath...This is only a OT debate...chill
and I don't understand why you have to call me names....
World economies existed before China, they used their Colonies to produce the vast majority of their goods.
Since so many foreign businessessalready has outsourced toChina, what do you thinkwill happend to them when China denies them access to Chinese labour and redirects its citizens to create weapons? This has no effect on the food supply since the stuff the workers made before was toys and clothes to western nations. Oh and it's only a matter of time before the weapon embargo on China will be lifted.....
Actually, competition increages wages. Businesses need employees, and sometimes they have to pay more money than another company to attract more people to work for them. This then causes even more businesses to pay competitively.
More businnesses means more competition. More competition means better pay, lower prices, and higher quality products.
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="jointed"]If capitalism isnt about exploitation (lol) what is it then about? Do you even KNOW what the ideology of Capitalism is?
MayorJohnny
It's a free market dominated by private business'. That's what the ideology is.
Yeah, and what do the private businesses want to do? Profit. How do they profit? By paying the labourers less, than what the product they make is worth. This results in exploitation. True capitalism is ALL about finding cheap labour.
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Actually, competition increages wages. Businesses need employees, and sometimes they have to pay more money than another company to attract more people to work for them. This then causes even more businesses to pay competitively.
More businnesses means more competition. More competition means higher wages and better product quality.
True, this isn't a problem down in Africa or China though, cheap labour is everywhere...
I agree with this thread 100%. Some brats at my school thinks it's cool not to appreciate the country we live in and they think it's cool to be anti-patriotic. People buying into this anti-American stuff are stupid. No two ways about it. You're safe, you're provided education, and you're free. You have choices to make regarding what politics you are for and against. The only issue is religion. Religion should be publicly banned and should be 100% left out of politics. Religion is rediculously out dated.Your gonna preach about how free we are and then wanna violate peoples first amendment right?
GodLovesDead
nice...
Your gonna preach about how free we are and then wanna violate peoples first amendment right?[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]I agree with this thread 100%. Some brats at my school thinks it's cool not to appreciate the country we live in and they think it's cool to be anti-patriotic. People buying into this anti-American stuff are stupid. No two ways about it. You're safe, you're provided education, and you're free. You have choices to make regarding what politics you are for and against. The only issue is religion. Religion should be publicly banned and should be 100% left out of politics. Religion is rediculously out dated.
Def_Jef88
nice...
Thank you for being sensible. :D
ok, first of all, take a deeeeep breath...This is only a OT debate...chilljointed
No ****. Ya think? You'd better not be trying to pull a "holier than thou" mantra out of your ass because you don't like my demeanor. Remember, I only get angry at someone if they continuously refuse to use logic.
and I don't understand why you have to call me names....
Gee, maybe because you are being continuously ignorant?
World economies existed before China, they used their Colonies to produce the vast majority of their goods.
No, they didn't. Colonies were used to supply natural resources. The industrial home countries supplied their colonies with goods.
Since so many foreign businessessalready has outsourced toChina, what do you thinkwill happend to them when China denies them access to Chinese labour and redirects its citizens to create weapons?
A whole lot of pissed off world powers jumping on the war bandwagon. Thus bringing China down faster. Again, your entire scenario depicts a world whichwill just sit on its ass and wait for economicflux to set in.Christ, you won't even admit you are wrong on the smallest things will you?
This has no effect on the food supply since the stuff the workers made before was toys and clothes to western nations. Oh and it's only a matter of time before the weapon embargo on China will be lifted.....
What makes you think it will be an embargo? We're talking about a full on war here. NATO isn't going to just sit on its ass and let China prepare for war. Why do I need to keep repeating myself?
[QUOTE="jointed"]ok, first of all, take a deeeeep breath...This is only a OT debate...chillCaptHawkeye
No ****. Ya think? You'd better not be trying to pull a "holier than thou" mantra out of your ass because you don't like my demeanor. Remember, I only get angry at someone if they continuously refuse to use logic.
and I don't understand why you have to call me names....
Gee, maybe because you are being continuously ignorant?
World economies existed before China, they used their Colonies to produce the vast majority of their goods.
No, they didn't. Colonies were used to supply natural resources. The industrial home countries supplied their colonies with goods.
Since so many foreign businessessalready has outsourced toChina, what do you thinkwill happend to them when China denies them access to Chinese labour and redirects its citizens to create weapons?
A whole lot of pissed off world powers jumping on the war bandwagon. Thus bringing China down faster. Again, your entire scenario depicts a world whichwill just sit on its ass and wait for economicflux to set in.Christ, you won't even admit you are wrong on the smallest things will you?
This has no effect on the food supply since the stuff the workers made before was toys and clothes to western nations. Oh and it's only a matter of time before the weapon embargo on China will be lifted.....
What makes you think it will be an embargo? We're talking about a full on war here. NATO isn't going to just sit on its ass and let China prepare for war. Why do I need to keep repeating myself?
So you're saying that all the British Empire got its food from the British isles? Or the France empire got it from France? pfff, don't make me laugh.
Of course other world powers would be pissed of, which only confirms what I said earlier about it being impossible to be a war only between the US and China.
The embargo I'm talking about is the current one. The only reason why China hasnt a fully developed army is because of the weapon and technology embargos held be the EU, the US and Russia. And they're desperate to keep it.
I won't realize that I'm wrong because I know that I'm 100% right. I've handed in countless papers on this subject(/care), it isnt some I'm pulling from my arse.
So you're saying that all the British Empire got its food from the British isles? Or the France empire got it from France? pfff, don't make me laugh.
Nice strawman fallacy. Concession accepted.
Of course other world powers would be pissed of, which only confirms what I said earlier about it being impossible to be a war only between the US and China.
Yes, it would be a war between China and everyone else. The situation is unchanged, China will get steamrolled.
The embargo I'm talking about is the current one. The only reason why China hasnt a fully developed army is because of the weapon and technology embargos held be the EU, the US and Russia. And they're desperate to keep it.
They aren't doing a very good job are they? Considering China is one of the world's biggest arms exporters as well. The embargo is having little to no effect at all.
I won't realize that I'm wrong because I know that I'm 100% right. I've handed in countless papers on this subject(/care), it isnt some I'm pulling from my arse.
Oh noez. You've done countless papers on the subject! And i'm supposed to take, your word for it right? So far you haven't shown anything to say you know even a tiny amount about China. Or about real history for that matter, since your definition of "Natural Resources" ecompasses food alone.
So you're saying that all the British Empire got its food from the British isles? Or the France empire got it from France? pfff, don't make me laugh.CaptHawkeye
Nice strawman fallacy. Concession accepted.
Of course other world powers would be pissed of, which only confirms what I said earlier about it being impossible to be a war only between the US and China.
Yes, it would be a war between China and everyone else. The situation is unchanged, China will get steamrolled.
The embargo I'm talking about is the current one. The only reason why China hasnt a fully developed army is because of the weapon and technology embargos held be the EU, the US and Russia. And they're desperate to keep it.
They aren't doing a very good job are they? Considering China is one of the world's biggest arms exporters as well. The embargo is having little to no effect at all.
I won't realize that I'm wrong because I know that I'm 100% right. I've handed in countless papers on this subject(/care), it isnt some I'm pulling from my arse.
Oh noez. You've done countless papers on the subject! And i'm supposed to take, your word for it right? So far you haven't shown anything to say you know even a tiny amount about China. Or about real history for that matter, since your definition of "Natural Resources" ecompasses food alone.
Actually, yes they're doing a very good job. It's ranked below Canada in weapon exports...
and what has my knowledge of China and history to do with my definition of natural resources?...
Actually, yes they're doing a very good job. It's ranked below Canada in weapon exports...
Too bad then, guess that means they won't even last as long as Canada would in a world war aimed at it.
and what has myknowledge of China and historyto do with my definition of natural resources?...
"Natural Resources" means any and all matierals you get provided naturally from a region, everything from metals to foods. You believed it stood only for food when you strawmanned my post. Not only did you make up something I didn't say, but you didn't even understand the words I was using. This does not speak well for your understanding of history and politics.
Actually, yes they're doing a very good job. It's ranked below Canada in weapon exports...CaptHawkeye
Too bad then, guess that means they won't even last as long as Canada would in a world war aimed at it.
and what has myknowledge of China and historyto do with my definition of natural resources?...
"Natural Resources" means any and all matierals you get provided naturally from a region, everything from metals to foods. You believed it stood only for food when you strawmanned my post. Not only did you make up something I didn't say, but you didn't even understand the words I was using. This does not speak well for your understanding of history and politics.
I never even used the word "natural resources" since that wasn't what I was talking about...I was talking about food (Which indeed is a natural resource, but it doesn't matter).
Why does this not speak well for my understanding of history and politics? Even if I misunderstood you (which I didn't), it says nothing about how much I know about politics and history.
I never even used the word "natural resources" since that wasn't what I was talking about...I was talking about food (Which indeed is a natural resource, but it doesn't matter).jointed
That doesn't make any sense at all. You were talking about natural resources but you weren't because you didn't use the terminonology for it? If I were to describe that big blue thing above my head and then deny it vehemently when someone calls it "the sky" how much sense would that make?
Why does this not speak well for my understanding of history and politics? Even if I misunderstood you (which I didn't), it says nothing about how much I know about politics and history.
It says a lot about your knowledge. Since the term "Natural Resources" was considered a basic definition by organizations as low as high school regents standards.
Actually, competition increages wages. Businesses need employees, and sometimes they have to pay more money than another company to attract more people to work for them. This then causes even more businesses to pay competitively.Competition only increases wages for highly skilled jobs where there are not enough workers to fill positions. for low grade jobs where there are 10 people fighting for each job it forces the price down.More businnesses means more competition. More competition means better pay, lower prices, and higher quality products.
MayorJohnny
also higher pay = higher prices because companys do not make as much money becuase of increased costs so they will increase price (although it is dependant on what they are doing). also quality of goods has nothing to do with worker pay.
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I never even used the word "natural resources" since that wasn't what I was talking about...I was talking about food (Which indeed is a natural resource, but it doesn't matter).CaptHawkeye
That doesn't make any sense at all. You were talking about natural resources but you weren't because you didn't use the terminonology for it? If I were to describe that big blue thing above my head and then deny it vehemently when someone calls it "the sky" how much sense would that make?
Why does this not speak well for my understanding of history and politics? Even if I misunderstood you (which I didn't), it says nothing about how much I know about politics and history.
It says a lot about your knowledge. Since the term "Natural Resources" was considered a basic definition by organizations as low as high school regents standards.
Since English isn't my first language I didn't think of the term "natural resources"...:roll:...big deal
We can always continue this debate in German or French in another place if it bothers you that much...
I agree with this thread 100%. Some brats at my school thinks it's cool not to appreciate the country we live in and they think it's cool to be anti-patriotic. People buying into this anti-American stuff are stupid. No two ways about it. You're safe, you're provided education, and you're free. You have choices to make regarding what politics you are for and against.GodLovesDead
Yeah, and who cares what our government does to people in other countries. That's what they get for being born elsewhere.
The only issue is religion. Religion should be publicly banned and should be 100% left out of politics. Religion is rediculously out dated.
GodLovesDead
I agree it should be left out of politics, but publicly banned? Er, no. What does that even mean? That you can't say what you believe in public?
Legitimate criticism =/= biased slander. From what I know of you, you're one of those people who makes no distinction between the two, and feels that any criticism of America, its government, or its citizens is biased slander. I don't buy into self-righteous, arrogant nationalism that takes the form of trashing another country to make one's own country look good. I do however believe that there is a great deal to criticize, especially with respect to America's current government.
Every country is worthy of specific criticisms, and those which fail to heed that criticism, passing it off as 'biased slander' no matter how legitimate it is, will never evolve. The "I'll support everything about my country till I die no matter how wrong it may be" attitude is a far more dangerous attitude than that of those who criticize more than they should.
Since English isn't my first language I didn't think of the term "natural resources"...:roll:...big dealjointed
Oh boo ****ing hoo. I'm supposed to feel bad that you didn't take the time learn all of the english terminology for your debate in english? It's not like Natural Resources is a word that doesn't exist in other languages either.
We can always continue this debate in German or French in another place if it bothers you that much...
:roll: Hey, YOU are the one here who is having language difficulties. YOU are the one messing up terminology you SHOULD know.
america is the land of contradictions and u would have to drag me over there kickin and screamin hog tied.
You preach freedom but yet u have more people in prison than any other country on the planet, you preach about integration yet you practice segregation with the ghettos and all of the forgotten poor people because u refuse to acknowledge let alone help, you are the most paranoid country on the planet thanks to your own ignorance of the rest of the world, you preach about civil rights but yet you have concentration camps like Guantanamo bay, you torture prisoners yet make a massive deal if one of your own is captured and displayed on the tv in good health unlike guantanamo bay.... you are greedy and self righteous, i could write a book about it but i just cant be bothered to waste anymore energy on you.
One day your country will be brought down and its gonna hurt alot, personally i cant wait its gonna be great to see the great america humbled.
america is the land of contradictions and u would have to drag me over there kickin and screamin hog tied.
You preach freedom but yet u have more people in prison than any other country on the planet, you preach about integration yet you practice segregation with the ghettos and all of the forgotten poor people because u refuse to acknowledge let alone help, you are the most paranoid country on the planet thanks to your own ignorance of the rest of the world, you preach about civil rights but yet you have concentration camps like Guantanamo bay, you torture prisoners yet make a massive deal if one of your own is captured and displayed on the tv in good health unlike guantanamo bay.... you are greedy and self righteous, i could write a book about it but i just cant be bothered to waste anymore energy on you.
One day your country will be brought down and its gonna hurt alot, personally i cant wait its gonna be great to see the great america humbled.
l34052
Agreed
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