[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]Ha, don't think that I am gonna start loving America. The arguments I hear are pathetic and unconvincing.
The USA is imperialist. Its as if you guys always have to intervene in everything. We all know that the invasion of Iraq was for the oil. As if you cared about the people who we're "oppressed". And why do you keep forcing the UN security council to not intervene in Darfur? (Russia and China are as guilty on that one) Oh right.. its completely unacceptable that Russia or China should get their hands on oil down there. Always trying to get richer, trampling those in your way because they are unimportant. And now lets talk about the anti-missile shield.. hello! the Cold War is over, you don't need to piss off Russia by extending it all the way into western Europe.
Anyway, thats all I have to say for now. You guys won't be on top for ever... one day capitalism shall fall.
MayorJohnny
I never said that I supported Communsim either. I believe there is a perfect balance between capitalism and communism. Very close to socialism. I admire Finlands system honestly, its not perfect but its pretty good.
You are pathetic and unconvincing. That is one of the most ridiculous posts that I've ever read.
You don't like capitalism? Okay, then enjoy the oppression of communism.
The USA isn't purely capitalist, though it definitely isn't socialist.
Why is it the government's job alone to take care of the people? Why can't we take care of each other more often? Are we that selfish and anti-social?
The government's top priority should be to protect the people and to ensure our rights.
It is capitalist. Like states all over the world. Period.
Communism has little to do with a government taking care of people; communism is about the abolition of private property, the root cause - and the necessary foundation - of the capitalist system - you are simply referring to reforms within capitalist states. No, those reforms are not bad though, if the alternative would be capitalism without them.
What rights are you referring to? And what makes those rights more right than others? In the U.N. declaration of human rights it says that it is every man's - and woman's - right to a job. But no-one chooses that him- or herself. Capitalism decides that.
It shows how ridiculously biased you are yourself in your posts - something you accuse others of being. You say that the government shouldn't necessarily take care of people but still it's top priority should be to protect the people. This is the typical liberal-moderate-conservative bull. What the hell is this "protection"?
YES! We are selfish. That doesn't mean we cannot help each other, that is precisely why we care about many things besides sleeping and eating. To please other people, because it pleases ourselves. Put money into the picture, and a system based on ruthless exploitation and competition - in which failure means ruin or even death - and you have a society in which people are not going to be very motivated to help each other - unless we are paid to do it, of course. We usually have enough worries ourselves, about school grades, work, bills, and other troubles we haven't necessarily chosen ourselves.
How am I "ridiculously biased"? You are the one that seems to be very biased against free enterprise.
The US economy is kind of mixed. There is some government regulation.
By "protection," I mean protection from external threats... Like terrorists, for example. I don't need the government to baby me. I want to EARN what I can.
I never said I wasn't biased - against "free enterprise", I am indeed. That is the difference.
The U.S. has strong elements of economic planning since back when capitalism almost collapsed in the 1930s. That doesn't make it one bit less capitalist.
I thought that's what you meant, my friend!
"Communism deprives no man of the ability to appropriate the fruits of his labour. The only thing it deprives him of is the ability to enslave others by means of such appropriations."
If you want to criticize taxes, regulation, welfare and other inner-capitalistic phenomenons you should argue not with me, but with social democrats, stalinists and other semi- or quasi-socialists and even people on the other side of the political spectrum. I don't think they are ideal at all, although I support them whole-heartedly as long as we cannot go further and make a qualitative change - revolution.
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