High Income inequality is detrimental to a societies wellbeing.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="elessarGObonzo"]the only type of "socialism" that could help our people is to put caps on available profit from any sale/trade. there would have to be a predetermined ratio of cost to profit that would keep quality of merchandise up and availablity to the people at a managable rate. companies couldn't make more money from using lower quality goods or from paying their employees too little.

elessarGObonzo

what halts is the CEOs deciding they want more money so the company charges more, pays employees less, and/or uses cheaper lower quality goods.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I don't have no empathy what so ever. I wouldn't let somebody bleed out on the side of the road, for instance. I care insofar as it doesn't affect my wellbeing.

SauceKing

Nice to know that a police officer wouldn't put himself in harm's way to help others.

airshocker is a cop? thats scary.

To protect and serve (himself)

But the world will not change on your terms, you have to change the way you see the world.

It's troubling to say that you think nobody deserves enough empathy to even elicit an emotional reaction from you when they die.

THE_DRUGGIE

The world is pretty awful, there's nothing I can do outside of my job to fix that.

Nice to know that a police officer wouldn't put himself in harm's way to help others.

THE_DRUGGIE

That's not what I meant. My job requires me to put myself into harms way and that's what I do.

To protect and serve (himself)

THE_DRUGGIE

[QUOTE="elessarGObonzo"]

That would be rediculous. A cap on how much you can make? Ya that would not put the economy to a halt.xscrapzx

what halts is the CEOs deciding they want more money so the company charges more, pays employees less, and/or uses cheaper lower quality goods.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

But the world will not change on your terms, you have to change the way you see the world.

It's troubling to say that you think nobody deserves enough empathy to even elicit an emotional reaction from you when they die.

airshocker

The world is pretty awful, there's nothing I can do outside of my job to fix that.

Community services, donations, volunteering, random acts of kindness, and assisting friends and family are some good ways to do that on a local level.

Being concerned with social effects and the needs of others in general can also lead to a more positive, or at least humane, worldview.

Community services, donations, volunteering, random acts of kindness, and assisting friends and family are some good ways to do that on a local level.

Being concerned with social effects and the needs of others in general can also lead to a more positive, or at least humane, worldview.

THE_DRUGGIE

Already volunteer, already do random acts of kindness and I always assist friends and family when they need it.

Why should I care about social effects and the needs of others when they don't care about mine?

Nice to know we are getting the best bang for our buck on those tax dollars. EntropyWins

Unless you live in Rockland County, you don't pay for sh*t. :roll:

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Nice to know that a police officer wouldn't put himself in harm's way to help others.

THE_DRUGGIE

airshocker is a cop? thats scary.

To protect and serve (himself)

most cops are mentally derranged, im fairly sure.

you dont take a low paying job with high risk of death for fun... you do it because it feeds your narcissistic superiority complex.

Either that or your a super liberal that just wants to help people at the risk of your own life.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

You don't live here. They're capitalist countries with very free economies. Means of production are PRIVATELY owned. Also mixed exonomy=/=socialism. So no Socialism doesn't work here, cause they're not socialist countries. Hell my country has been ruled for the last 20 years by CONSERVATIVES. As in actually alligned with republicans!

themajormayor

I understand very well what it means. If you're saying they're "mixed economies" then they're not socialist countres as you said. You used them as a proof that a socialist economy would work but now you're calling them mixed exonomies, make up your mind cause according to your logic every country is "mixed". Yup I'm sure they share some ideals just as they share ideals with Facism too. It's very hard to find a country so extreme it doesn't share any ideals with noone else.

most cops are mentally derranged, im fairly sure.

you dont take a low paying job with high risk of death for fun... you do it because it feeds your narcissistic superiority complex.

Either that or your a super liberal that just wants to help people at the risk of your own life.

SauceKing

I'm paid very well, actually. Next year I'll be making over 100k a year.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Community services, donations, volunteering, random acts of kindness, and assisting friends and family are some good ways to do that on a local level.

Being concerned with social effects and the needs of others in general can also lead to a more positive, or at least humane, worldview.

airshocker

Already volunteer, already do random acts of kindness and I always assist friends and family when they need it.

Why should I care about social effects and the needs of others when they don't care about mine?

I just spent time in this thread trying to explain how considering social effects would lead to a better life for yourself.

People do care about your needs, it's just that you seem to shut yourself away from the kindness in the world so you never notice.

Still waiting EntropyWins...

Oh wait, I know why you haven't answered, it's because you don't know or don't understand.

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]Nice to know we are getting the best bang for our buck on those tax dollars. airshocker

Unless you live in Rockland County, you don't pay for sh*t. :roll:

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

most cops are mentally derranged, im fairly sure.

you dont take a low paying job with high risk of death for fun... you do it because it feeds your narcissistic superiority complex.

Either that or your a super liberal that just wants to help people at the risk of your own life.

airshocker

I'm paid very well, actually. Next year I'll be making over 100k a year.

sounds very unlikely.

I have had an epiphany and I believe that my proposal could in fact fix the world. Even Somalia the most failed of failed states. Nuke everything and start again.Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

most cops are mentally derranged, im fairly sure.

you dont take a low paying job with high risk of death for fun... you do it because it feeds your narcissistic superiority complex.

Either that or your a super liberal that just wants to help people at the risk of your own life.

SauceKing

I'm paid very well, actually. Next year I'll be making over 100k a year.

sounds very unlikely.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

most cops are mentally derranged, im fairly sure.

you dont take a low paying job with high risk of death for fun... you do it because it feeds your narcissistic superiority complex.

Either that or your a super liberal that just wants to help people at the risk of your own life.

I'm paid very well, actually. Next year I'll be making over 100k a year.

sounds very unlikely.

SauceKing

Just shows how little you know about what my area pays. -Shrug-

nah i live in Erie county, but we have cops like you here as well. EntropyWins

You mean normal cops? Yeah, we're everywhere.

I just spent time in this thread trying to explain how considering social effects would lead to a better life for yourself.

People do care about your needs, it's just that you seem to shut yourself away from the kindness in the world so you never notice.

THE_DRUGGIE

Apparently they don't because my taxes keep going up and I have nothing to show for it.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

most cops are mentally derranged, im fairly sure.

you dont take a low paying job with high risk of death for fun... you do it because it feeds your narcissistic superiority complex.

Either that or your a super liberal that just wants to help people at the risk of your own life.

I'm paid very well, actually. Next year I'll be making over 100k a year.

sounds very unlikely.

They are getting a lot of overtime spying on muslims over there, so I believe it. EntropyWins

That's the NYPD.

Hey god bless you for putting your life in the line of duty. It's too bad that there are immature people on here that don't have a clue. First off cops get a pention, full benefits, and decent pay. I can see that sauceking lives in his basement with his mother.xscrapzx

No problem, dude. I appreciate it.

People are criticizing for not empathising enough about other. But I'm certain that when it really matters most people wouldn't care either if it meant they had to give up something (in this case in the form of tax) either.Crunchy_Nuts

Bingo.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

I just spent time in this thread trying to explain how considering social effects would lead to a better life for yourself.

People do care about your needs, it's just that you seem to shut yourself away from the kindness in the world so you never notice.

airshocker

Apparently they don't because my taxes keep going up and I have nothing to show for it.

Yeah, it's all about you...

But, it's true your tax money probably isn't going to help much when the people who get that money are corrupt as f*ck.

People are criticizing for not empathising enough about other. But I'm certain that when it really matters most people wouldn't care either if it meant they had to give up something (in this case in the form of tax) either.Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]nah i live in Erie county, but we have cops like you here as well. airshocker

You mean normal cops? Yeah, we're everywhere.

People are criticizing for not empathising enough about other. But I'm certain that when it really matters most people wouldn't care either if it meant they had to give up something (in this case in the form of tax) either.Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

sounds very unlikely.

airshocker

Just shows how little you know about what my area pays. -Shrug-

you are either really old, or semi old and live in a metropolitan area then.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] And you don't understand what socialism means. I don't have to live there to understand that. But you have to read about socialism to understand what it means. I'm not saying they are socialist countries I'm saying they are mixed economies with a lot of their makeup comes from socialist ideals. No matter how much you deny that that's a fact.kuraimen

I understand very well what it means. If you're saying they're "mixed economies" then they're not socialist countres as you said. You used them as a proof that a socialist economy would work but now you're calling them mixed exonomies, make up your mind cause according to your logic every country is "mixed". Yup I'm sure they share some ideals just as they share ideals with Facism too. It's very hard to find a country so extreme it doesn't share any ideals with noone else.

WTF is the second sentence suppose to mean?? Yes they're capitalist countries since it is supply and demand that decides the market. Period. If I comes up with a great idea and people are willing to pay for it then I can enter the market and sell my idea at a profit. CAPITALISM. The means of production are privately owned. Again CAPITALISM. This country might share some ideals with Socialism but I can guarantee you it's close to 100% capitalist.

Those countries take from capitalist ideology as much as they take from socialist ideology, that's the point. If you know so much about socialism explain to me why Marx regarded the US as an exemplary state and not so much the USSR? how can the founding father of socialism think that way? explain please.

Except they take much more from the Capitalist idelogy since when I go out in the street it's not utter chaos.

I never said I was an expert on quotes. You tell me.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]People are criticizing for not empathising enough about other. But I'm certain that when it really matters most people wouldn't care either if it meant they had to give up something (in this case in the form of tax) either.airshocker

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

I just spent time in this thread trying to explain how considering social effects would lead to a better life for yourself.

People do care about your needs, it's just that you seem to shut yourself away from the kindness in the world so you never notice.

airshocker

Apparently they don't because my taxes keep going up and I have nothing to show for it.

And this is how you build your interest in a community's well-being: take your time from here and invest it into finding out why your taxes are increasing. What benefits are going to be attributed and to whom? How would it be beneficial to others and strengthen your community? If this tax increase is for a specific group, why do they need it? Have they been falling on hard times? Are they in danger of falling on hard times?

How does the tax increase benefit your community, or the state, or the nation as a whole?

No extensive research into tax code needed, just find out why. You may not have a certificate that says "I paid higher taxes this year," but having someone else feel a positive benefit from what you do to help others is wonderful.

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]

They are getting a lot of overtime spying on muslims over there, so I believe it. airshocker

That's the NYPD.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] Now I do see some of your argument, but what does it matter what a CEO makes? Who is paying the CEO exactly? The Board of Directors do. I'm so tired of people complaining what CEO makes, if the company can afford to pay a CEO, who is an employee just like anyone else is, for his duties there is nothing wrong with that or should that be seen as a negative. Believe it or not but a CEO has more stress on them then anyone in the company, so to think that they just sit there and do nothing an collect a check is completely false. A CEO or a business owner can make all that they want and I don't care if it is billions more than I or anyone for that matter. They worked their way up to get there and they deserve it. The only time I would be against it is unless they did it illegally.

Also there is a reason why that GE didn't get taxed and that is because there is not here in the U.S. for it to get taxed. Secondly rich pay taxes to, you may think not enough, but someone making 5 million a year, pays about 2 million in taxes. If you think they need to pay more, then cleary there is something wrong with the government.

xscrapzx

.... My point went completely ove ryour head.. A) No where did I say CEO's are to blame, I am pointing out that the wealth descrpency is getting worse and it is in fact HARMING our society as a whole.. Furthermore please do not tell me what you think a CEO deserves or doesn't deserve.. This has absolutely nothing to do with my point, its immaterial..

B) Furthermore no they don't our capital gains taxes being so low and the numerous loop holes, the extremely rich and businesses do not pay the actual % of taxes.. They pay far less.. We need a tax reform plain and simple.. Lower the overall taxes but get rid of loop holes and other such thing.. Its hilarious how people some how trump up Reagan as a savior when he would not be able to win the insanity tha tis the REpublican party that is now.. He raised taxes numerous time.. People need to get it through their thick skulls that our tax system is a mess..

C) Please don't come here and tell me who deserves and who doesn't deserve.. This is immaterial and it pretty much illustrates that you don't care about the problem what so ever.. This is about making a stable society in which we have a certain standard of living that every one can enjoy.. The system is endanger of collapsing in which our minimum standards are getting worse.. You seem not to understand that this "hardworking" CEO like every one else has depended off one another to make their fortunes, has depended off government regulation and protection to keep their fortunes.. This is about fixing our society.. Not trying to figure out who deserves something and who doesn't.. This is about having a minimum standard that, this supposed success of CEO's and other such things are is in fact ENDANGERING that system..

D) Finally please don't talk out of your ass, a simple google search will go over the whole GE fiasco, which large portions of it are within the US.. The US in fact gave them subsidies in the billions.. IN return GE cut jobs in the US.. In the end of the day subsidies, tax breaks etc etc.. Should not be based off baseless expectations of a hoping a compnay to do what its suppose to do.. Our government needs to make it specifically based upon RESULTS, meaning that GE could only ever get those breaks and/or subsidies if they in fact grew with in the US.

Also does GE not make technologies for green energy? Is there not tax break for companies that do so?

:| I am done here, because your have no idea what your talking about.. This was when GE posted record profits.. That is, in that very same time they had gotten greater profit then ANY other time in the companies history.. Paid 0% taxes, were given subsidies AND cut jobs in the US.. Its hilarious that you are some how defending this.. Furthermore wtf does this have anything to do with how mucht hey actually pay.. THIS IS ABOUT sustaining a system we all benefit from.. You seem not to have a clue that we ALL beneift from it.. INCLUDING the rich most of all, they became rich thanks to the government and economy created, and thanks to the worker pool this used.. This isn't about who deserves what, this is about sustaining a system in which we have a minimum standard to continue being prosperous.. How can I force this into your head that the system right now is being endangered.. And thewealth gap is increasing jesus look at ANY stat.. And the middle class is SHRINKING.. THe backbone of America.. Look at any recent statistic.. Its mind boggling how ignoring you can be of this.. Its hilarious too because men like Reagan who were seen as these amazing people by the right wing would be OUSTED for their views if they were still alive and running today.. Reagan did not support this kind of platform, yet he some how is being turned into the mascot of the movement.. Its HILARIOUS.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I understand very well what it means. If you're saying they're "mixed economies" then they're not socialist countres as you said. You used them as a proof that a socialist economy would work but now you're calling them mixed exonomies, make up your mind cause according to your logic every country is "mixed". Yup I'm sure they share some ideals just as they share ideals with Facism too. It's very hard to find a country so extreme it doesn't share any ideals with noone else.

themajormayor

WTF is the second sentence suppose to mean?? Yes they're capitalist countries since it is supply and demand that decides the market. Period. If I comes up with a great idea and people are willing to pay for it then I can enter the market and sell my idea at a profit. CAPITALISM. The means of production are privately owned. Again CAPITALISM. This country might share some ideals with Socialism but I can guarantee you it's close to 100% capitalist.

Those countries take from capitalist ideology as much as they take from socialist ideology, that's the point. If you know so much about socialism explain to me why Marx regarded the US as an exemplary state and not so much the USSR? how can the founding father of socialism think that way? explain please.

Except they take much more from the Capitalist idelogy since when I go out in the street it's not utter chaos.

I never said I was an expert on quotes. You tell me.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]People are criticizing for not empathising enough about other. But I'm certain that when it really matters most people wouldn't care either if it meant they had to give up something (in this case in the form of tax) either.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]People are criticizing for not empathising enough about other. But I'm certain that when it really matters most people wouldn't care either if it meant they had to give up something (in this case in the form of tax) either.xscrapzx

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]People are criticizing for not empathising enough about other. But I'm certain that when it really matters most people wouldn't care either if it meant they had to give up something (in this case in the form of tax) either.xscrapzx

you are paying your own way through school with no grants or student laons?... and you are still paying over 10k a year in taxes?

damn man, thats rough... because it is impossible and completely made up.... because that cant happen.

tell me more about this fictional universe of yours..

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]People are criticizing for not empathising enough about other. But I'm certain that when it really matters most people wouldn't care either if it meant they had to give up something (in this case in the form of tax) either.xscrapzx

>claims to live in reality

>complains about imaginary welfare queens on food stamps driving luxury cars

[QUOTE="airshocker"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]People are criticizing for not empathising enough about other. But I'm certain that when it really matters most people wouldn't care either if it meant they had to give up something (in this case in the form of tax) either.elessarGObonzo

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] It seems a lot of people do care judging by this thread.kuraimen

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] They are not capitalist countries then either. There's nothing in capitalism that describes the government roles as it has in those countries but there are in socialism.

WTF is the second sentence suppose to mean?? Yes they're capitalist countries since it is supply and demand that decides the market. Period. If I comes up with a great idea and people are willing to pay for it then I can enter the market and sell my idea at a profit. CAPITALISM. The means of production are privately owned. Again CAPITALISM. This country might share some ideals with Socialism but I can guarantee you it's close to 100% capitalist.

Those countries take from capitalist ideology as much as they take from socialist ideology, that's the point. If you know so much about socialism explain to me why Marx regarded the US as an exemplary state and not so much the USSR? how can the founding father of socialism think that way? explain please.

Except they take much more from the Capitalist idelogy since when I go out in the street it's not utter chaos.

I never said I was an expert on quotes. You tell me.

kuraimen

Read and respond to the first paragraph.

You know what, you don't have a clue by the looks of it. You don't have an idea. You think money grows out of trees, that people can just afford 30% of their pay go to social security (Which is a complete joke) or other usless government programs because people are needy as hell. Boy I love paying 10 thousand + plus in taxes every year only to see the government continue to give and give. Yet I have to sit here pay my way through school and pay my own bills and mortgage. Then I get to wake up, go to the store and see people driving luxury cars and walking in with designer clothing and $200 Jordans paying for their food with food stamps. Ya I see why people stop caring.xscrapzx

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] It seems a lot of people do care judging by this thread.kuraimen

Only Norway has a higher HDI than USA. And it's not a huge percentage.

Nope. Everyone is a F'king saint if you ask them how much they would be willing to sacrifice to help society as a whole. I'd like to believe that maybe one day that could be true. However when you ask people to give up a significant portion of their income to "better society" most of them would say no. The fact is people will help others if it doesn't cost them anything. People like Air are not a minority, they are the majority.Crunchy_Nuts