[QUOTE="Necrifer"]If you accidentally kill a human you are not charged for manslaughter either. What?If I accidentally step on a bug, why should I be charged for manslaughter? That's ridiculous.
Reptylus
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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]If you accidentally kill a human you are not charged for manslaughter either. What?If I accidentally step on a bug, why should I be charged for manslaughter? That's ridiculous.
Reptylus
Killing animals is no more right than killing humans;human life is no more valuable than any other life. Of course I find human life more valuable than any other life, but that's because I'm human, I'm biased and Will obviously feel more bad about harming someone of my own kind moreso than another being.
Why?If I accidentally step on a bug, why should I be charged for manslaughter? That's ridiculous.
Necrifer
Yeah just like when you feel more bad about harming a white person.Killing animals is no more right than killing humans;human life is no more valuable than any other life. Of course I find human life more valuable than any other life, but that's because I'm human, I'm biased and Will obviously feel more bad about harming someone of my own kind moreso than another being.
DJ-Lafleur
[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
Becuase a human's life is worth more than an animal's life. Isn't that a surprise?
How so? Human life isn't worth much. I mean, there are nearly 7 billion of us.
I'm sure you value your life.[QUOTE="Reptylus"][QUOTE="Necrifer"]If you accidentally kill a human you are not charged for manslaughter either. What? The key part is "accidentally." An accident is not slaughter or murder.If I accidentally step on a bug, why should I be charged for manslaughter? That's ridiculous.
Jandurin
Killing animals is no more right than killing humans;human life is no more valuable than any other life.DJ-LafleurDo you feel bad about all the mosquitoes and flies you have killed in your life? Do you feel remorse? Suicidal thoughts because of the realization that you're a murdering monster?
[QUOTE="themajormayor"]
Why?
Necrifer
Because I can step on hundreds of bugs in a day without even knowing it or having any way to prevent it.
Well I agree that somewhere we have to draw the line, though in principle maybe it's another question. But if you're killing a human without knowing or any way to prevent it, it's manslaughter?[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]Killing animals is no more right than killing humans;human life is no more valuable than any other life.Stavrogin_Do you feel bad about all the mosquitoes and flies you have killed in your life? Do you feel remorse? Suicidal thoughts because of the realization that you're a murdering monster? Not feeling guilty is not equal to not having done something bad.
It's simple. We are at the top of the food chain, and we know it's not right to kill ourselves. (some do it anyway)
But yeah, the food chain man we are at the top.
If you accidentally run someone over while you're driving a car you don't just get a stern talking to.spazzx625You made me laugh.
[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]Killing animals is no more right than killing humans;human life is no more valuable than any other life.ReptylusDo you feel bad about all the mosquitoes and flies you have killed in your life? Do you feel remorse? Suicidal thoughts because of the realization that you're a murdering monster? Not feeling guilty is not equal to not having done something bad.So you admit that killing ants, bees and mosquitoes is also a bad thing?
[QUOTE="Reptylus"]
The key part is "accidentally." An accident is not slaughter or murder.
Necrifer
Manslaughter: The crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought.
You killed someone you didn't mean to. That's manslaughter.
Ok, if that is the definition of "slaughter" in English I admit my mistake. The German translation of that word implies an intention.[QUOTE="Reptylus"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]Do you feel bad about all the mosquitoes and flies you have killed in your life? Do you feel remorse? Suicidal thoughts because of the realization that you're a murdering monster?Stavrogin_Not feeling guilty is not equal to not having done something bad.So you admit that killing ants, bees and mosquitoes is also a bad thing? Of course it is.
Ok, if that is the definition of "slaughter" in English I admit my mistake. The German translation of that word implies an intention.ReptylusOh yeah, this has nothing to do with the language/definition. It's actually just the law (here in the US, at least).
[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]So you admit that killing ants, bees and mosquitoes is also a bad thing? spazzx625Of course it is.So what about when an ant kills another ant? Off with his head!
[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]So you admit that killing ants, bees and mosquitoes is also a bad thing? spazzx625Of course it is.So what about when an ant kills another ant? That's part of nature. Just as when we eat meat as I said in my OP. Ants doesn't kill or torture other ants for fun. I think.
[QUOTE="Reptylus"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]Do you feel bad about all the mosquitoes and flies you have killed in your life? Do you feel remorse? Suicidal thoughts because of the realization that you're a murdering monster?Stavrogin_Not feeling guilty is not equal to not having done something bad.So you admit that killing ants, bees and mosquitoes is also a bad thing? Sure is. Killing is always a bad move if it doesn't have a purpose, like providing food or protecting something from harm. Edit: Thanks for improving my English and letting me learn something jnew guys.
That's part of nature. Just as when we eat meat as I said in my OP. Ants doesn't kill or torture other ants for fun. I think.
themajormayor
After the male drone has served its purpse (sex) the female workers rip off its wings and hold it underground with them where it dies a slow death.
Or, I think that's how it works.
So since I'm allergic to bee stings I should just get stung and throw up my hands and say 'OH WELL, THAT'S NATURE'?spazzx625It sounds like it's okay as long as you don't torture the bee.
[QUOTE="themajormayor"]
Why?
Necrifer
Because I can step on hundreds of bugs in a day without even knowing it or having any way to prevent it.
Actually this is like cars. We could go around with magnifying glass to make sure we're not involved in any accidents causing deaths of insects. But we sacrifice those insects to have more comfortable lives. In the same way we have now cars which causes many accidents. We could just walk and there would be no accidents. But we sacrifice people to have more comfortable lives.[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="spazzx625"]So what about when an ant kills another ant?spazzx625That's part of nature. Just as when we eat meat as I said in my OP. Ants doesn't kill or torture other ants for fun. I think. So since I'm allergic to bee stings I should just get stung and throw up my hands and say 'OH WELL, THAT'S NATURE'? Nature is allowing you to protect your life. Just like the bee only wants to sting you to protect the swarm.
[QUOTE="themajormayor"]
That's part of nature. Just as when we eat meat as I said in my OP. Ants doesn't kill or torture other ants for fun. I think.
Necrifer
After the male drone has served its purpse (sex) the female workers rip off its wings and hold it underground with them where it dies a slow death.
Or, I think that's how it works.
God that's pretty brutal. Yeah it's a bad thing.Actually this is like cars. We could go around with magnifying glass to make sure we're not involved in any accidents causing deaths of insects. But we sacrifice those insects to have more comfortable lives. In the same way we have now cars which causes many accidents. We could just walk and there would be no accidents. But we sacrifice people to have more comfortable lives.
themajormayor
No, it's not like cars. Without cars, we would still be able to move. If we were to go out of our to not harm any insects, we wouldn't be able to go anywhere at all.
[QUOTE="Necrifer"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]
Why?
themajormayor
Because I can step on hundreds of bugs in a day without even knowing it or having any way to prevent it.
Actually this is like cars. We could go around with magnifying glass to make sure we're not involved in any accidents causing deaths of insects. But we sacrifice those insects to have more comfortable lives. In the same way we have now cars which causes many accidents. We could just walk and there would be no accidents. But we sacrifice people to have more comfortable lives. "Sacrifice people"? Are you fûcking kidding me.[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="spazzx625"]So what about when an ant kills another ant?spazzx625That's part of nature. Just as when we eat meat as I said in my OP. Ants doesn't kill or torture other ants for fun. I think. So since I'm allergic to bee stings I should just get stung and throw up my hands and say 'OH WELL, THAT'S NATURE'? What you mean. You can protect yourself in self defense. I mean you can protect yourself against humans trying to harm you too
Actually this is like cars. We could go around with magnifying glass to make sure we're not involved in any accidents causing deaths of insects. But we sacrifice those insects to have more comfortable lives. In the same way we have now cars which causes many accidents. We could just walk and there would be no accidents. But we sacrifice people to have more comfortable lives. "Sacrifice people"? Are you fûcking kidding me. Maybe it's not the right word. I'm not native english native speaker. But that's what we're doing.[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Necrifer"]
Because I can step on hundreds of bugs in a day without even knowing it or having any way to prevent it.
spazzx625
[QUOTE="Necrifer"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]
That's part of nature. Just as when we eat meat as I said in my OP. Ants doesn't kill or torture other ants for fun. I think.
themajormayor
After the male drone has served its purpse (sex) the female workers rip off its wings and hold it underground with them where it dies a slow death.
Or, I think that's how it works.
God that's pretty brutal. Yeah it's a bad thing. Depends. Drones don't have any other purpose so they'd just eat away the food of the other bees. Bees are just thinking more practical than humans. They don't lower the swarm prosperity for the sake of a useless individual.[QUOTE="Wanderlei_Rua"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
Becuase a human's life is worth more than an animal's life. Isn't that a surprise?
sonicare
How so? Human life isn't worth much. I mean, there are nearly 7 billion of us.
I'm sure you value your life.My instict of self-preservation doesn't make life worth any more or any less.
[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]Killing animals is no more right than killing humans;human life is no more valuable than any other life.Stavrogin_Do you feel bad about all the mosquitoes and flies you have killed in your life? Do you feel remorse? Suicidal thoughts because of the realization that you're a murdering monster?
Great job ignoring the rest of my post.
No I do not feel remorse for killing insects. That is because they are not human. That doesn't mean humans are more valuable than other animals, that'sjust my bias as a human kicking in.
Humans are only the most valuable beings to other humans, and cats and dogs or other pets owned by humans.
[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="spazzx625"] So since I'm allergic to bee stings I should just get stung and throw up my hands and say 'OH WELL, THAT'S NATURE'?spazzx625What you mean. You can protect yourself in self defense. I mean you can protect yourself against humans trying to harm you too Any bee could sting me...I usually swat them or kill them before they have a chance. The same cannot be said for humans. I can't just start macing people on the street because they could harm me. This entire thread is based on some flimsy logic. Bees doesn't do anything if you leave them alone. I never been stung by a bee. Just leave them alone. Anyway this is really not what I'm getting at. You're at least are doing it because you feel some kind of threat and not just for "fun". Like for example some kids recently put a firecracker in the mouth of a dog and closed the mouth. What is the punishment they can get? Maybe some months. They should get the same treatment fuсking a*******.
Because human is worth inifnitely more to society than animal. And it's for the sake of society that we set up law. Another example: we can own animal, while slavery is forbidden in most of the world.
Because while most sensible people have realised by now that we are just another species of animal, in our minds we still often make the distinction between 'man' and 'beast', with the former obviously considered superior. Why? Well, I guess because bias toward oneself is one of the most elemental characteristics of human nature (and perhaps not just human nature; you could consider it a survival instinct).
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