How come killing animals is more ok than humans?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So you should go to jail for involuntary life slaughter then, since you should get the same punishment as if it were humans you killed. Turn yourself into the authorities now please.

SpartanMSU

This was already explained.

You're trolling is getting boring now.

For example you're driving and you have green and pedestrian walks over without looking and you don't have time to react.themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]For example you're driving and you have green and pedestrian walks over without looking and you don't have time to react.Jandurin

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="spazzx625"] What is a situation where someone would get killed that is totally unpreventable? I'm genuinely curious.spazzx625

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Mentally challenged are a very small minority. It doesn't have to do anything with giving the government more power.themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Wow,you do not know much about human history, don't you? We've already tried that route and it didn't end well. So now people simply aren't willing to try again.

AdrianWerner

Really it's a lose lose situation. I mean, if everybody eats meat only, it's animal cruilety, plus threat of animal population being wiped out. If everybody only ate plants, that would be damaging the eco system by having acres of forest and other stuff cut/ plowed down to be turned into farm land, which is also animal cruilety (as well as contributing to animals population being wiped out) as it forces them off there natural habitat. It's an unfair world I tell ya.

As far as I know not many in Germany protested and no other country cared. themajormayor

Really it's a lose lose situation. I mean, if everybody eats meat only, it's animal cruilety, plus threat of animal population being wiped out. If everybody only ate plants, that would be damaging the eco system by having acres of forest and other stuff cut/ plowed down to be turned into farm land, which is also animal cruilety (as well as contributing to animals population being wiped out) as it forces them off there natural habitat. It's an unfair world I tell ya.

GamerEye

Really it's a lose lose situation. I mean, if everybody eats meat only, it's animal cruilety, plus threat of animal population being wiped out.

GamerEye

As long as we provide a decent enviorement for animals and then kill them swiftly I see nothing wrong with meat eating from moral standpoint

[QUOTE="GamerEye"]

Really it's a lose lose situation. I mean, if everybody eats meat only, it's animal cruilety, plus threat of animal population being wiped out.

AdrianWerner

As long as we provide a decent enviorement for animals and then kill them swiftly I see nothing wrong with meat eating from moral standpoint

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]because we are humansTHE_DRUGGIE

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So you've never killed an insect? What about germs? Or plants?

You've got to be a troll...

SpartanMSU

I believe germs and plants are better left out of this discussion. Neither of them really feel pain or have any consciousness (at least not like an animal does).

They're still living organisms...

I think what the TC means by "animals" is "cute and cuddly animals that I like".

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]Depends on what you mean by mistreat. themajormayor

Animals are delicious food. I've always thought we should be allowed to eat vegans, after all, they are lower on the food chain.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]Depends on what you mean by mistreat. CreasianDevaili

Of course animals are sentient. Ridiculous thing to say.

Of course animals are sentient. Ridiculous thing to say.

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Of course animals are sentient. Ridiculous thing to say.

CreasianDevaili

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Of course animals are sentient. Ridiculous thing to say.

CreasianDevaili

Yes they are as sentient as we are. Sentience is the ability to have sensations.

Morality has nothing to do with sentience.

Humans have more value than animals obviously, why did you ask this question? Animals obviously have some rights like not being mistreated (people that abuse animals are sadistic and have mental issues) but human beings are higher than animals. Only the morons at PETA would disagree, but their opinion doesn't matter anyway beause they are hypocrites and often KILL more animals than they save.

Humans have more value than animals obviously, why did you ask this question? Animals obviously have some rights like not being mistreated (people that abuse animals are sadistic and have mental issues) but human beings are higher than animals. Only the morons at PETA would disagree, but their opinion doesn't matter anyway beause they are hypocrites and often KILL more animals than they save.

ShadowMoses900

Why is humans more valued?

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Of course animals are sentient. Ridiculous thing to say.

Yes they are as sentient as we are. Sentience is the ability to have sensations.

Morality has nothing to do with sentience.

because animals do not have the same level of thinking and feeling that humans do. We have logic and reasoning, they have feral instincts. They can't think about the consequences of their actions and ponder what's right or wrong. Because of this, you cannot consider the killing of an animal to be at the same calibur as killing a human. I'm not saying it's ok to kill animals because i certainly think that some mindless killings are thoughtless, and i personally find the extinction of the thylacine to be among man's most grevious acts. It's just not something you should be able to get sent to deathrow for.

Because WE ARE HUMANS. This is the key fact here. Human beings will not want to kill or eat another human, but another species? Most don't give a sh*t.DeX2010

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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] On the same level as humans? I thought it was more of a "benefit of the doubt" when it was established that animals are sentient? I know there are some studies that says there "might" be animals that have a level of morality but it is still just that. A study. CreasianDevaili

Yes they are as sentient as we are. Sentience is the ability to have sensations.

Morality has nothing to do with sentience.

Yeah i think it was just a misuse of words. Sentience, at least in western philosophy, is just purely feeling.

Because animals and humans aren't equal. You can also say how come killing ants is more ok than humans? It's not a healthy train of thought.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be strict about needlessly killing animals or abusing them, but to give animals the same rights or give harsher punishments to people who kill animals than people who kill people is f*cking ludicrous. Most of these animals can't even pass the self awareness test and people like you want to go around treating them like they're your equal. Stupid, stupid and stupid.

[QUOTE="DeX2010"]Because WE ARE HUMANS. This is the key fact here. Human beings will not want to kill or eat another human, but another species? Most don't give a sh*t.themajormayor

because animals do not have the same level of thinking and feeling that humans do. We have logic and reasoning, they have feral instincts. They can't think about the consequences of their actions and ponder what's right or wrong. Because of this, you cannot consider the killing of an animal to be at the same calibur as killing a human. I'm not saying it's ok to kill animals because i certainly think that some mindless killings are thoughtless, and i personally find the extinction of the thylacine to be among man's most grevious acts. It's just not something you should be able to get sent to deathrow for.

dissonantblack

Because animals and humans aren't equal. You can also say how come killing ants is more ok than humans? It's not a healthy train of thought.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be strict about needlessly killing animals or abusing them, but to give animals the same rights or give harsher punishments to people who kill animals than people who kill people is f*cking ludicrous. Most of these animals can't even pass the self awareness test and people like you want to go around treating them like they're your equal. Stupid, stupid and stupid.

ColdExistence

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Humans have more value than animals obviously, why did you ask this question? Animals obviously have some rights like not being mistreated (people that abuse animals are sadistic and have mental issues) but human beings are higher than animals. Only the morons at PETA would disagree, but their opinion doesn't matter anyway beause they are hypocrites and often KILL more animals than they save.

themajormayor

Why is humans more valued?

Well for one thing we are capable of choice, someanimals can make minor choices yes like my dog can choose to go out in the front yard or the back, but for the most part they are just guided by animal instincts. They can't really choose things sometimes, like look at mating for instance, animals don't do it for pleasure they just do it for instinct and they don't really havea choice. The male just jumps on the nearest female who is in heat (after proving it's dominance to the other males), we as humans are more sophesticated and more in control of our sexual desires, if we weren't we would be raping each other all the time. We get to choose who we mate with and wether or not we think they'll be good for us.

That's just one example, I could give many more. But basically we are more complex and capable of choices, where as animals are not. I also believe Humans have a Soul and that has more value than an animal, I don't know if animals have souls or not, mabey they do mabey they don't, but human life is worth more. If there was a pond and you saw a person drowning and a dog drowning and you could only save one, who would you save? It's obvously going to be the human. Also I think we evolved to value human life.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Yes they are as sentient as we are. Sentience is the ability to have sensations.

Morality has nothing to do with sentience.

Yeah i think it was just a misuse of words. Sentience, at least in western philosophy, is just purely feeling.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Humans have more value than animals obviously, why did you ask this question? Animals obviously have some rights like not being mistreated (people that abuse animals are sadistic and have mental issues) but human beings are higher than animals. Only the morons at PETA would disagree, but their opinion doesn't matter anyway beause they are hypocrites and often KILL more animals than they save.

ShadowMoses900

Why is humans more valued?

Well for one thing we are capable of choice, someanimals can make minor choices yes like my dog can choose to go out in the front yard or the back, but for the most part they are just guided by animal instincts. They can't really choose things sometimes, like look at mating for instance, animals don't do it for pleasure they just do it for instinct and they don't really havea choice. The male just jumps on the nearest female who is in heat (after proving it's dominance to the other males), we as humans are more sophesticated and more in control of our sexual desires, if we weren't we would be raping each other all the time. We get to choose who we mate with and wether or not we think they'll be good for us.

That's just one example, I could give many more. But basically we are more complex and capable of choices, where as animals are not. I also believe Humans have a Soul and that has more value than an animal, I don't know if animals have souls or not, mabey they do mabey they don't, but human life is worth more. If there was a pond and you saw a person drowning and a dog drowning and you could only save one, who would you save? It's obvously going to be the human. Also I think we evolved to value human life.

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]Because animals and humans aren't equal. You can also say how come killing ants is more ok than humans? It's not a healthy train of thought.I'm not saying we shouldn't be strict about needlessly killing animals or abusing them, but to give animals the same rights or give harsher punishments to people who kill animals than people who kill people is f*cking ludicrous. Most of these animals can't even pass the self awareness test and people like you want to go around treating them like they're your equal. Stupid, stupid and stupid.themajormayor

http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/cruelty_laws.html

As you can see, there are already laws in place. What are you going to do, make it a life sentence in prison for killing a dog? Do you have any idea how ridiculous and costly that will be?

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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] "rubs chin" Well they do have a scale for sentience out there. Unsure of the merits but a sense of morality was often used in the fight for animal rights, including the right to live. Perhaps saying no sentience was a mistake on my part. Nonetheless if we weigh that reality then why do we deny them a right to live?CreasianDevaili

Yeah i think it was just a misuse of words. Sentience, at least in western philosophy, is just purely feeling.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"]Because animals and humans aren't equal. You can also say how come killing ants is more ok than humans? It's not a healthy train of thought.I'm not saying we shouldn't be strict about needlessly killing animals or abusing them, but to give animals the same rights or give harsher punishments to people who kill animals than people who kill people is f*cking ludicrous. Most of these animals can't even pass the self awareness test and people like you want to go around treating them like they're your equal. Stupid, stupid and stupid.ColdExistence

As you can see, there are already laws in place. What are you going to do, make it a life sentence in prison for killing a dog? Do you have any idea how ridiculous and costly that will be?

The laws are much tougher I think than in my country. But still you destroy someone's life and put them to unthinkable suffering and what do you get? A relative small fine or short prison time.

I think it all depends. Depending on the case and the severity I think it could go all the way up to execution. And then it won't be as costly. And BTW I support execution for cases involving humans too just so you know.

"Pain is part of nature".

F*ck off haahaha :lol:

What do you mean with the 2nd paragraph? And that's exactly why there should be harsher penalty. As deterrence. And I don't think it's always the case in some cases people draw the line with animals but don't want to go further. themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] What do you mean with the 2nd paragraph? And that's exactly why there should be harsher penalty. As deterrence. And I don't think it's always the case in some cases people draw the line with animals but don't want to go further. CreasianDevaili

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] What do you mean with the 2nd paragraph? And that's exactly why there should be harsher penalty. As deterrence. And I don't think it's always the case in some cases people draw the line with animals but don't want to go further. CreasianDevaili

Right. So surely the fact that they are sentient is a huge issue?

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] I don't want to treat them like equal at all. But they feel just as much pain as we do but have almost no protection at all. Just cause they aren't as intelligent doesn't mean they feel less pain.themajormayor

As you can see, there are already laws in place. What are you going to do, make it a life sentence in prison for killing a dog? Do you have any idea how ridiculous and costly that will be?

The laws are much tougher I think than in my country. But still you destroy someone's life and put them to unthinkable suffering and what do you get? A relative small fine or short prison time.

I think it all depends. Depending on the case and the severity I think it could go all the way up to execution. And then it won't be as costly. And BTW I support execution for cases involving humans too just so you know.

It's also extremely impractical.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to make a dog disapear? No one would notice or care. See, if you want to actually enforce this law of yours, you'd have to get some inspector to go around every pet owner's home and make sure that everything is okay, like every year. Humans get away with these crimes all the time because they are pretty hard to trace. A human killing a human is easy to trace. They got an id on everyone, and someone almost always notices when someone dissapears. And then farms... You could slaughter all your animals without anyone noticing either. Next thing you're going to tell me is that you want to give animals a social security number.