How come killing animals is more ok than humans?

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] What do you mean with the 2nd paragraph? And that's exactly why there should be harsher penalty. As deterrence. And I don't think it's always the case in some cases people draw the line with animals but don't want to go further. Ilovegames1992

Right. So surely the fact that they are sentient is a huge issue?

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Which part of the second paragraph? I've processed cattle myself. The methods we used are similiar to most slaughter houses. I also know the bolt through the head is not reliable. That the cutting of the arteries is not nearly as fast of a death as people may assume. Even frying their brains isn't an absolute merciful kill.CreasianDevaili

Right. So surely the fact that they are sentient is a huge issue?

See the reason I say it is not a big part of the equation is because more are easily satisfied if they know the cows got to roam free in a field. Running around grazing on corn and hay. Playing and doing all the stupid **** people think cows do. The end is still a ****ty way to go out. But people feel better if they got to live FREE before they died. If the problem is the pain when they die then how do people feel better when nothing changed?

There is no f*cking way people would be prepared to make any kind of sacrifice. They're just too selfish.

Well if your christian/jewish then it says in the old testament that man is to have dominion and rule over the animals. There is no penalty for killing them.

If your not religious then you most likely believe in the social contract. Which pretty much states that in nature we are all animals and are naturally governed by the law of survival of the fittest. However, we came together to form a social contract where we trade a few of our natural freedoms in exchange for a stable society and laws to protect us. Thats the short version of the social contract. Animals are not apart of this social contract and thus dont have a right to share in its protections.Diablo-B

Ahh but regarding animal cruelty:

"Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel."

"Know well the condition of your flocks, and give attention to your herds,"

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]And? Pain is a part of nature.

As you can see, there are already laws in place. What are you going to do, make it a life sentence in prison for killing a dog? Do you have any idea how ridiculous and costly that will be?

ColdExistence

The laws are much tougher I think than in my country. But still you destroy someone's life and put them to unthinkable suffering and what do you get? A relative small fine or short prison time.

I think it all depends. Depending on the case and the severity I think it could go all the way up to execution. And then it won't be as costly. And BTW I support execution for cases involving humans too just so you know.

It's also extremely impractical.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to make a dog disapear? No one would notice or care. See, if you want to actually enforce this law of yours, you'd have to get some inspector to go around every pet owner's home and make sure that everything is okay, like every year. Humans get away with these crimes all the time because they are pretty hard to trace. A human killing a human is easy to trace. They got an id on everyone, and someone almost always notices when someone dissapears. And then farms... You could slaughter all your animals without anyone noticing either. Next thing you're going to tell me is that you want to give animals a social security number.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Which part of the second paragraph? I've processed cattle myself. The methods we used are similiar to most slaughter houses. I also know the bolt through the head is not reliable. That the cutting of the arteries is not nearly as fast of a death as people may assume. Even frying their brains isn't an absolute merciful kill.CreasianDevaili

Right. So surely the fact that they are sentient is a huge issue?

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] How does that justify abuse? It would be the same for humans then.

The laws are much tougher I think than in my country. But still you destroy someone's life and put them to unthinkable suffering and what do you get? A relative small fine or short prison time.

I think it all depends. Depending on the case and the severity I think it could go all the way up to execution. And then it won't be as costly. And BTW I support execution for cases involving humans too just so you know.

themajormayor

It's also extremely impractical.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to make a dog disapear? No one would notice or care. See, if you want to actually enforce this law of yours, you'd have to get some inspector to go around every pet owner's home and make sure that everything is okay, like every year. Humans get away with these crimes all the time because they are pretty hard to trace. A human killing a human is easy to trace. They got an id on everyone, and someone almost always notices when someone dissapears. And then farms... You could slaughter all your animals without anyone noticing either. Next thing you're going to tell me is that you want to give animals a social security number.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

It's also extremely impractical.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to make a dog disapear? No one would notice or care. See, if you want to actually enforce this law of yours, you'd have to get some inspector to go around every pet owner's home and make sure that everything is okay, like every year. Humans get away with these crimes all the time because they are pretty hard to trace. A human killing a human is easy to trace. They got an id on everyone, and someone almost always notices when someone dissapears. And then farms... You could slaughter all your animals without anyone noticing either. Next thing you're going to tell me is that you want to give animals a social security number.

ColdExistence

That's a question nobody can answer you. It's just the way that human mind evolved.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]Right. So surely the fact that they are sentient is a huge issue?themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] If it is a real issue then changes would have been made long ago with much more costly methods to painless killings. But those costs would be on the hands of the consumer. Most people think that a bullet to the head drops a cow instantly. Hell no. That cutting the throat is a few seconds then it drops. No. See the reason I say it is not a big part of the equation is because more are easily satisfied if they know the cows got to roam free in a field. Running around grazing on corn and hay. Playing and doing all the stupid **** people think cows do. The end is still a ****ty way to go out. But people feel better if they got to live FREE before they died. If the problem is the pain when they die then how do people feel better when nothing changed?CreasianDevaili

[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]Well if your christian/jewish then it says in the old testament that man is to have dominion and rule over the animals. There is no penalty for killing them.

If your not religious then you most likely believe in the social contract. Which pretty much states that in nature we are all animals and are naturally governed by the law of survival of the fittest. However, we came together to form a social contract where we trade a few of our natural freedoms in exchange for a stable society and laws to protect us. Thats the short version of the social contract. Animals are not apart of this social contract and thus dont have a right to share in its protections.Ilovegames1992

Ahh but regarding animal cruelty:

"Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel."

"Know well the condition of your flocks, and give attention to your herds,"

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] I'm not coming up with any new laws. I said increase the penalty. This has nothing to do with increasing inspectors somehow. It's already illegal. So this would not necessarily require some sort of inspector. My point was to increase the penalty as deterrence for exactly the reason you mention. Which is it's much easier to get away with killing animals. Now I do want an inspector and if it was possible I would've wanted some way of keeping track of all the animals. But it's of course impossible and would probably do more harm to them anyway. But nothing of this was the point from me at all.themajormayor

Idk how come killing dogs is not ok than millons of chickens,cows,etc.

I don't find it so. In fact i lean the other way.

Ilovegames1992

We eat animals. We don't eat humans. We don't eat humans, because humans cry "Don't eat me!" if you try to. Animals on the other hand don't.NiKva

[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"]Because animals are less than humans, Humans are superior. Wanderlei_Rua

Um, humans are animals. We share 99% of our genetic makup with chimps and 60% with freakin' fruit flies. Humans are just another evolutionary construct that is destined for extinction like 99% of the species that have ever inhabited the planet.

I've always wanted to eat a fat person who was raised on beef that was raised on bacon/pork.