How come killing animals is more ok than humans?

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#151 themajormayor
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Because human is worth inifnitely more to society than animal. And it's for the sake of society that we set up law. Another example: we can own animal, while slavery is forbidden in most of the world.

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Mentally challenged people aren't worth anything to society. In fact they only cost society lots of money. Kill them too?
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#152 Just-Breathe
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You've got to be a troll..SpartanMSU
Yes, and a terrible one at that.
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Mentally challenged people aren't worth anything to society. In fact they only cost society lots of money. Kill them too?themajormayor
Depends how challenged, I guess.
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#154 surrealnumber5
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steak is for eating, people are for enjoying. you can bite a steak but if you bite a person youre in for a huge headache. think of people as if they were ice cream cones, they are fun to lick and taste good too but if you useyour teeth youre going to regret it.

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#155 Stavrogin_
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[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]Killing animals is no more right than killing humans;human life is no more valuable than any other life.DJ-Lafleur

Do you feel bad about all the mosquitoes and flies you have killed in your life? Do you feel remorse? Suicidal thoughts because of the realization that you're a murdering monster?

Great job ignoring the rest of my post.

No I do not feel remorse for killing insects. That is because they are not human. That doesn't mean humans are more valuable than other animals, that'sjust my bias as a human kicking in.

Humans are only the most valuable beings to other humans, and cats and dogs or other pets owned by humans.

That's true, but what does it have to do with this topic. We as humans, assign greater value to ourselves, we kill other animals for various reasons. So what if from an objective point of view we are all equally worth/less...
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Mentally challenged people aren't worth anything to society. In fact they only cost society lots of money. Kill them too?Jandurin
Depends how challenged, I guess.

is this thread worth reading?... lurker person whom i have not seen post at least 40k times
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#157 Necrifer
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So you've never killed an insect? What about germs? Or plants?

You've got to be a troll...

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I believe germs and plants are better left out of this discussion. Neither of them really feel pain or have any consciousness (at least not like an animal does).

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#158 SpartanMSU
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Because we are human. If you kill your own species, that's always worse.

themajormayor

How about killing your own race? Is that worse too?

No. In the human species, race doesn't exist scientifically. It's a totally manufactured concept.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]Mentally challenged people aren't worth anything to society. In fact they only cost society lots of money. Kill them too?surrealnumber5
Depends how challenged, I guess.

is this thread worth reading?... lurker person whom i have not seen post at least 40k times

It's mostly just me trolling a bit and other people being serious but even worse than me.
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] [QUOTE="Just-Breathe"]Because animals are less than humans, Humans are superior. SpartanMSU

lol this reminds me of a certain german reichskanzler during 1933-1945.

So you've never killed an insect? What about germs? Or plants?

You've got to be a troll...

I have. It's probably impossible not to. I'd never do it for fun or because I'm "superior". And btw plants aren't animals, and I don't think germs either, but I get your point. All life is precious IMO.
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No. In the human species, race doesn't exist scientifically. It's a totally manufactured concept.

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But some people look different than me, but like each other!
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#162 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So you've never killed an insect? What about germs? Or plants?

You've got to be a troll...

Necrifer

I believe germs and plants are better left out of this discussion. Neither of them really feel pain or have any consciousness (at least not like an animal does).

Does insects feel pain?
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Because we are human. If you kill your own species, that's always worse.

SpartanMSU

How about killing your own race? Is that worse too?

No. In the human species, race doesn't exist scientifically. It's a totally manufactured concept.

no it isn't. Of course they exist. Are you denying black people exists? That's racist
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#164 Necrifer
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Does insects feel pain?

themajormayor

I don't know. Just for this discussion, I am assuming they can.

They probably can't.

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#165 Overlord93
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If you can't understand why then you're probably an idiot... ...What am I saying "probably", of course you are.
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#166 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]If you can't understand why then you're probably an idiot... ...What am I saying "probably", of course you are.

Explain to me then. Since you're not an idiot apparently you should be able to.
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#167 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Because human is worth inifnitely more to society than animal. And it's for the sake of society that we set up law. Another example: we can own animal, while slavery is forbidden in most of the world.

themajormayor

Mentally challenged people aren't worth anything to society. In fact they only cost society lots of money. Kill them too?

Nope, we ignore their uselessness for the sake of all. Law is to protect the society and killing less usefull members of it could end up biting the majority in the ass.

But the general principle still holds. Mentally challenged people generally do not have all the rights healthy people do.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Overlord93"]If you can't understand why then you're probably an idiot... ...What am I saying "probably", of course you are.

Explain to me then. Since you're not an idiot apparently you should be able to.

Actually, explaining things to idiots, especially obdurate idiots, is exceptionally difficult.
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Because human is worth inifnitely more to society than animal. And it's for the sake of society that we set up law. Another example: we can own animal, while slavery is forbidden in most of the world.

AdrianWerner

Mentally challenged people aren't worth anything to society. In fact they only cost society lots of money. Kill them too?

Nope, we ignore their uselessness for the sake of all. Law is to protect the society and killing less usefull members of it could end up biting the majority in the ass.

But the general principle still holds. Mentally challenged people generally do not have all the rights healthy people do.

How would it bite the majority in the ass? They don't have less rights they get lots of money.They cost alot to society. Much more than they give.
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#170 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]because we are humansthemajormayor
And white

Aaaaaaand troll thread.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Overlord93"]If you can't understand why then you're probably an idiot... ...What am I saying "probably", of course you are.

Explain to me then. Since you're not an idiot apparently you should be able to.

Actually, explaining things to idiots, especially obdurate idiots, is exceptionally difficult.

ok lol
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Because we are human. If you kill your own species, that's always worse.

SpartanMSU

How about killing your own race? Is that worse too?

No. In the human species, race doesn't exist scientifically. It's a totally manufactured concept.

To be honest, there's no such thing as "scientifical race" in pretty much any spiecies. Race has always been based solely on artificial appearance differences. It's the same thing with every species, dogs, cats etc. Spieces are simply way to grouping species into several artificial visual brackets.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Overlord93"]If you can't understand why then you're probably an idiot... ...What am I saying "probably", of course you are.

Explain to me then. Since you're not an idiot apparently you should be able to.

Actually, explaining things to idiots, especially obdurate idiots, is exceptionally difficult.

ok lol
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Overlord93"]If you can't understand why then you're probably an idiot... ...What am I saying "probably", of course you are.

Explain to me then. Since you're not an idiot apparently you should be able to.

Actually, explaining things to idiots, especially obdurate idiots, is exceptionally difficult.

lol
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Meat is murder... tasty, tasty murder. There's room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes.
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#176 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] How about killing your own race? Is that worse too?themajormayor

No. In the human species, race doesn't exist scientifically. It's a totally manufactured concept.

no it isn't. Of course they exist. Are you denying black people exists? That's racist

Your a cabbage. Look at these 2 dogs. what kind of species/race are they?

dog

same dog!

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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Explain to me then. Since you're not an idiot apparently you should be able to.

Actually, explaining things to idiots, especially obdurate idiots, is exceptionally difficult.

lol

lol
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#178 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] How about killing your own race? Is that worse too?themajormayor

No. In the human species, race doesn't exist scientifically. It's a totally manufactured concept.

no it isn't. Of course they exist. Are you denying black people exists? That's racist

Your a cabbage. Look at these 2 dogs. what kind of species/race are they?

dog

same dog!

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#179 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Explain to me then. Since you're not an idiot apparently you should be able to.

Actually, explaining things to idiots, especially obdurate idiots, is exceptionally difficult.

lol

lol
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How would it bite the majority in the ass? They don't have less rights they get lots of money.They cost alot to society. Much more than they give. themajormayor
It could bitte majority in the ass because it would give goverment too much power and the risk is that the completely useless people wouldn't be the only ones getting killed

At the same time though, notice you can kill braindead people in many countries, so the most useless can indeed get killed.

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#181 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

No. In the human species, race doesn't exist scientifically. It's a totally manufactured concept.

tenaka2

no it isn't. Of course they exist. Are you denying black people exists? That's racist

Your a cabbage. Look at these 2 dogs. what kind of species/race are they?

dog

same dog!

I dunno I'm not a dog person. They look to be of the same race but different color.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]How would it bite the majority in the ass? They don't have less rights they get lots of money.They cost alot to society. Much more than they give. AdrianWerner

It could bitte majority in the ass because it would give goverment too much power and the risk is that the completely useless people wouldn't be the only ones getting killed

At the same time though, notice you can kill braindead people in many countries, so the most useless can indeed get killed.

Mentally challenged are a very small minority. It doesn't have to do anything with giving the government more power.
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Yes!
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

No. In the human species, race doesn't exist scientifically. It's a totally manufactured concept.

tenaka2

no it isn't. Of course they exist. Are you denying black people exists? That's racist

Your a cabbage. Look at these 2 dogs. what kind of species/race are they?

dog

same dog!

Race is based in visual traits and cultural tradition, not genetics. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.

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#185 SpartanMSU
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So you've never killed an insect? What about germs? Or plants?

You've got to be a troll...

Necrifer

I believe germs and plants are better left out of this discussion. Neither of them really feel pain or have any consciousness (at least not like an animal does).

They're still living organisms...

I think what the TC means by "animals" is "cute and cuddly animals that I like".

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] no it isn't. Of course they exist. Are you denying black people exists? That's racistAdrianWerner

Your a cabbage. Look at these 2 dogs. what kind of species/race are they?

dog

same dog!

Race is based in visual traits and cultural tradition, not genetics. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.

It's based on genetics too.

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#188 AdrianWerner
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Mentally challenged are a very small minority. It doesn't have to do anything with giving the government more power.themajormayor
Wow,you do not know much about human history, don't you? We've already tried that route and it didn't end well. So now people simply aren't willing to try again.

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It's based on genetics too.

themajormayor
Insofar as they affect the phenotype.
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#190 AdrianWerner
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It's based on genetics too.

themajormayor

Nope. If it was Obama wouldn't be considered black. The race distinction was created by people long before anyone knew such thing as genees even existed

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Mentally challenged are a very small minority. It doesn't have to do anything with giving the government more power.AdrianWerner

Wow,you do not know much about human history, don't you? We've already tried that route and it didn't end well. So now people simply aren't willing to try again.

the reason it didn't end well was because they was in war with 3 super powers on 2 fronts. Had nothing to do with "biting in the ass".
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] lol this reminds me of a certain german reichskanzler during 1933-1945.themajormayor

So you've never killed an insect? What about germs? Or plants?

You've got to be a troll...

I have. It's probably impossible not to. I'd never do it for fun or because I'm "superior". And btw plants aren't animals, and I don't think germs either, but I get your point. All life is precious IMO.

So you should go to jail for involuntary life slaughter then, since you should get the same punishment as if it were humans you killed. Turn yourself into the authorities now please.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So you've never killed an insect? What about germs? Or plants?

You've got to be a troll...

SpartanMSU

I have. It's probably impossible not to. I'd never do it for fun or because I'm "superior". And btw plants aren't animals, and I don't think germs either, but I get your point. All life is precious IMO.

So you should go to jail for involuntary life slaughter then, since you should get the same punishment as if it were humans you killed. Turn yourself into the authorities now please.

You go to prison for accidently killing someone which you could not prevent at all?
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I think microscopic organisms should have the same rights as humans also. We are all guilty as charged for hurting these poor innocent organisms and we deserve a death sentence.

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#196 spazzx625
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] You go to prison for accidently killing someone which you could not prevent at all?

What is a situation where someone would get killed that is totally unpreventable? I'm genuinely curious.
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] You go to prison for accidently killing someone which you could not prevent at all?

What is a situation where someone would get killed that is totally unpreventable? I'm genuinely curious.

Have you ever seen Final Destination?
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] You go to prison for accidently killing someone which you could not prevent at all?

What is a situation where someone would get killed that is totally unpreventable? I'm genuinely curious.

Have you ever seen Final Destination?

Whoa man. Like...Whoa.
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] I have. It's probably impossible not to. I'd never do it for fun or because I'm "superior". And btw plants aren't animals, and I don't think germs either, but I get your point. All life is precious IMO.themajormayor

So you should go to jail for involuntary life slaughter then, since you should get the same punishment as if it were humans you killed. Turn yourself into the authorities now please.

You go to prison for accidently killing someone which you could not prevent at all?

This was already explained.

You're trolling is getting boring now.

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#200 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] You go to prison for accidently killing someone which you could not prevent at all?

What is a situation where someone would get killed that is totally unpreventable? I'm genuinely curious.

For example you're driving and you have green and pedestrian walks over without looking and you don't have time to react.