How could anybody believe in God

Don't be a nit picky ****. We're talking about LJ who is a Catholic and follows the Abrahamic God.

I was merely posing a scenario using 1 commonly held premise of the God in the Bible according to Christians. That being Omnipotence.

I was merely trying to point out an absurdity, not prove that evolution wouldn't/shouldn't exist in a universe created by an omnipotent God. Simply that Evolution doesn't need to exist, and when taken into context with the Bible it doesn't make much sense.

If God is omnipotent then an evolutionary process wouldn't be necessary if there is an end goal in mind: AKA Mankind. Secondly, as humans are supposedly Gods most beloved creations (again something espoused by the Abrahamic religions), then it certainly doesn't show considering all the biological defects present in mankind.

Its not that hard of a concept to grasp. If God wants to create humans in his own image, he doesn't have to use Evolution. He's all fucking powerful. If we assume that he did use evolution, then why did he use a system that created so many glaringly obvious biological flaws in humans?

God is awesome.
He's the man.
End of Story.
Read the damn bible before spewing stuff.
It says things.... amazing things.
I obviously didn't read any of this nonsense.

it also says some pretty terrible things/stupid things

My post was not meant to imply that an omnipotent god doesn't exist but rather a contradiction arises when we view Evolution and the Biblical God going hand and hand (Omnipotence and all). If he really is all powerful he wouldn't nor shouldn't be using evolution when it has shittier results and there exists a time delay for his creation of Man (Billions of years until we got here which seems like a shitty lay over if you ask me). If we assume that he did use Evolution however, I would seriously question his omnipotence (hence the contradiction or absurdity).

Again, I'm separating the concepts of god/Biblical God (The one described in the Bible).

Its beyond absurd for the Biblical God to use a mechanism such as evolution to create humans when its entirely with in his ability to do so with out. The latter method also being accomplished with better results.

Assuming he exists, he seems either incompetent or his love for us is extremely exaggerated.

@HoolaHoopMan: God used evolution as a tool for creation. Many Christians do not use a literal interpretation of Genesis, but use passages more metaphorically when understanding the text.

I understand that. I'm not arguing that as a Christian you should be literal with your interpretation, in fact that's a far worse proposition than what I'm currently going on about.

My entire point is that I find it absurd that God would even need to use Evolution as a tool at all. I can't find any rationale for it.

This image pretty much shows you how ridiculous religions are:

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/537/976/57b.jpg

I think it'd be fun to use evolution as a tool... especially if I was around forever. Whats a few billions years to someone who has always existed? Not to mention, if there is a god that has been around for an eternity, what's to say we are the first product? Maybe he always used to use instant coffee, but now wants to grow his own beans.

Which religions? I only see Christianity being criticized.

I have a question for those who believe in the Biblical God AND evolution:

Who was the first man capable of receiving salvation and why can't his father receive the same?

I got a better one:

If you believe in both and are not a young earther....

I'll take a conservative estimate of 100,000 years that modern humans have been walking around. You have to believe the this higher power/heaven sat around watching with indifference for 98,000 years. "Oh look, they're raping, killing, and pillaging again...ah well, what can ya do?" Then around 0AD, decides "No enough of this" and makes a copy of himself in human form to tell the world of his important message for mankind. His message is also (poorly) recounted in holy texts in languages that die off and are poorly translated. Then he sacrifices himself, to himself, to save you from what he created, acting as a loophole for his own laws. It all basically ends there and he hasn't done a thing since.

This is all at one speck of time, at one speck of the ancient world, on one planet in a galaxy in a universe with countless billions of galaxies. It doesn't map to reality to anyone other than people trying to make it fit.

Having faith is a great thing.

The idea can be applied to any religion.

How? Not all religions feature a supervisory deity.

"How could anybody believe in God?"

Apparently the answer must be "very easily", considering how just about every culture seems to have developed religious beliefs of some kind, for potentially as long as language has existed (if not earlier).

I would guess that as soon as our species became intelligent enough to start wondering how the world worked (and before the days when we could actually start answering those questions in detail), gods and other supernatural entities were the easiest and best ways of explaining those vast uncertainties of the universe.

As for why people still believe in gods...well, we still aren't advanced enough to answer every question about the universe, and centuries of cultural indoctrination certainly hasn't hurt the spread of religion. I suppose we as a species might even have a natural predilection to religious thought - as we learn about the world as kids, and as kids, we don't have all the answers, religion would certainly fill in a lot of the gaps.

@wis3boi: a Hitchslap. Miss that guy.

You'd rather believe humans were created as robots?

As for galaxies....well you don't know the reality of such now do you?

Because they don't have faith...

This couldn't be more true. Thank you, good sir.

Robots?

You mean like Buddhism? Never thought of it much as a religion, but more like a different philosophical take on life.

How do you hate something that doesn't exist?

You can prove that?

You mean a set of beliefs made up by cult leaders and assholes who wanted power over people thousands of years ago?

@deeliman said:

Lol people still believe in god?

Flying spaghetti monster is where it's at now.

The church of the flying spaghetti monster is just as crazy as any other religion.

whatever gets you though your day. just keep it to yourself please.

You mean if Jesus really existed he was a Jewish cult leader?

Can you prove otherwise?

I don't have to do that. I didn't make any such statement. You did. Which means the proof is in your corner.

How CAN'T you believe in god ? just lets think about it , can an apple tree exist without someone putting the seminal into the soil ? no , same thing with everything is this world , how do you think the first living specie of every creature existed ? did they just randomly appear out of no where ? no , because allah created them .. i am not trying to force my ideas into anyone , it's up to you to believe in what you think is the truth , but all i am asking is to think about it .

You mean you really want me to prove something based on pure fantasy doesn't exist?

Well then...

I want you to prove your statements. Or do you routinely talk about things with no actual basis?

Things based on fantasy don't usually exist guy.

So you cannot provide proof of what you say. Gotcha. Talking out of one's ass isn't a good habit.

>this topic

or it could just be abiogenesis

Can you proof unicorns don't exist?

Can you show me where I made that statement? Critical thinking and logic.....a stranger to OT.

So, unicorns exist according to you?

Hmm. I think you're missing the point. He never said whether or not they exist, and judging from the point he's trying to make, I am guessing he can't prove it either way, much like myself. They could exist though, why not.