How do you cope in this miserable world with a possibility of no creator?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] You say it's highly plausible....and God isn't? Very amusing indeed. GrayF0X786

We know life can arise from non life. God has zero evidence going for it. You aren't doing your position any favors by acting like this

"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding." 3:190

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Another dishonest assertion of a position I do not hold.  You're on a roll tonight

wis3boi

We know life can arise from non life. God has zero evidence going for it.  You aren't doing your position any favors by acting like this

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] You say it's highly plausible....and God isn't? Very amusing indeed. ShadowsDemon

We know life can arise from non life. God has zero evidence going for it.  You aren't doing your position any favors by acting like this

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

We know life can arise from non life. God has zero evidence going for it. You aren't doing your position any favors by acting like this

chaoscougar1

"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding." 3:190

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding." 3:190

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding." 3:190

 

GrayF0X786

Ummmm
Well gravity is basically a function of mass and mass arises when particles travel through the higgs field, which I believe is the "empty space" between the nucleas and electrons

The sun came from the hydrogen and other elements that the very first stars created in there core (and eventually shot across the universe after they exploded).  Eventually the gas clouds clumped together and condensed to form the star we see before us today, while the remaining gases formed planets (both gas giants and those with an iron/nickel core).  There were a few hundred very small planets until they all smashed into eachother, creating bigger planets and thus we are left with 7 (8 if you count pluto) you can see today

Fun Fact
The moon is actually made up of the earths crust after a decently sized planet smashed into us and ripped off a large chunk of the earths crust.  Gravity kept the pieces orbiting around us and once again condensed to form the moon.  And without the moon and its gravity affecting the tides, life would not be around today

Answered? ^.^

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] I dun see the heavens Where were they created? And the "alternation" of night and day has a little more to do with gravity and the sun, than godchaoscougar1

Ummmm
Well gravity is basically a function of mass and mass arises when particles travel through the higgs field, which I believe is the "empty space" between the nucleas and electrons

The sun came from the hydrogen and other elements that the very first stars created in there core (and eventually shot across the universe after they exploded).  Eventually the gas clouds clumped together and condensed to form the star we see before us today, while the remaining gases formed planets (both gas giants and those with an iron/nickel core).  There were a few hundred very small planets until they all smashed into eachother, creating bigger planets and thus we are left with 7 (8 if you count pluto) you can see today

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] I dun see the heavens Where were they created? And the "alternation" of night and day has a little more to do with gravity and the sun, than godchaoscougar1

Ummmm
Well gravity is basically a function of mass and mass arises when particles travel through the higgs field, which I believe is the "empty space" between the nucleas and electrons

The sun came from the hydrogen and other elements that the very first stars created in there core (and eventually shot across the universe after they exploded).  Eventually the gas clouds clumped together and condensed to form the star we see before us today, while the remaining gases formed planets (both gas giants and those with an iron/nickel core).  There were a few hundred very small planets until they all smashed into eachother, creating bigger planets and thus we are left with 7 (8 if you count pluto) you can see today

With not a fvck given.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] so where did the gravity and sun come from? both gravity and the sun have a purpose am i right?

themajormayor

Ummmm
Well gravity is basically a function of mass and mass arises when particles travel through the higgs field, which I believe is the "empty space" between the nucleas and electrons

The sun came from the hydrogen and other elements that the very first stars created in there core (and eventually shot across the universe after they exploded).  Eventually the gas clouds clumped together and condensed to form the star we see before us today, while the remaining gases formed planets (both gas giants and those with an iron/nickel core).  There were a few hundred very small planets until they all smashed into eachother, creating bigger planets and thus we are left with 7 (8 if you count pluto) you can see today

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] I dun see the heavens Where were they created? And the "alternation" of night and day has a little more to do with gravity and the sun, than godchaoscougar1

Ummmm
Well gravity is basically a function of mass and mass arises when particles travel through the higgs field, which I believe is the "empty space" between the nucleas and electrons

The sun came from the hydrogen and other elements that the very first stars created in there core (and eventually shot across the universe after they exploded). Eventually the gas clouds clumped together and condensed to form the star we see before us today, while the remaining gases formed planets (both gas giants and those with an iron/nickel core). There were a few hundred very small planets until they all smashed into eachother, creating bigger planets and thus we are left with 7 (8 if you count pluto) you can see today

Fun Fact
The moon is actually made up of the earths crust after a decently sized planet smashed into us and ripped off a large chunk of the earths crust. Gravity kept the pieces orbiting around us and once again condensed to form the moon. And without the moon and its gravity affecting the tides, life would not be around today

Answered? ^.^

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] I dun see the heavens Where were they created? And the "alternation" of night and day has a little more to do with gravity and the sun, than godMBirdy88

Of course there's a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. Be it a bunch of atoms smashing together or by the will of a divine overlord. Something created us.

Of course there's a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. Be it a bunch of atoms smashing together or by the will of a divine overlord. Something created us.

sune_Gem

[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

Of course there's a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. Be it a bunch of atoms smashing together or by the will of a divine overlord. Something created us.

ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

Of course there's a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. Be it a bunch of atoms smashing together or by the will of a divine overlord. Something created us.

ShadowsDemon

I don't know any scientific mumbo jumbo. I'm just saying we're here now, so it's obvious that we were created by something. Be it an accidental or an intentional creation. Everything's got a creator.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

Of course there's a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. Be it a bunch of atoms smashing together or by the will of a divine overlord. Something created us.

Aljosa23

who said he is in the "sky"

and who the fvck said he is a wizard aswell as having fingers rofl

only after answering those do you have permission to ask idioitic questions.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

Of course there's a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. Be it a bunch of atoms smashing together or by the will of a divine overlord. Something created us.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

Of course there's a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. Be it a bunch of atoms smashing together or by the will of a divine overlord. Something created us.

sune_Gem

I don't know any scientific mumbo jumbo. I'm just saying we're here now, so it's obvious that we were created by something. Be it an accidental or an intentional creation. Everything's got a creator.

How do you cope in this miserable world with a possibility of no creator?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] The chance of a single, simple atom or molecules falling into place to form one single protein molecule is 1 in 10 to the power of 133 - a number larger than the estimated amount of atoms in the universe. People are free to argue against this one if they like. :)ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

Of course there's a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. Be it a bunch of atoms smashing together or by the will of a divine overlord. Something created us.

ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] so where did the gravity and sun come from? both gravity and the sun have a purpose am i right?

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] The chance of a single, simple atom or molecules falling into place to form one single protein molecule is 1 in 10 to the power of 133 - a number larger than the estimated amount of atoms in the universe. People are free to argue against this one if they like. :)GrayF0X786

I don't know any scientific mumbo jumbo. I'm just saying we're here now, so it's obvious that we were created by something. Be it an accidental or an intentional creation. Everything's got a creator.

Errr no, they understand we are created... wel done kids for stating the obvious that everything is created... (actually it might of always existed all of this goes far beyond what we know.) .... but that an intellectual muppet decided to play puppet master when all you believe in different gods and fail to realise your religeons didn't even exist at the dawn there were pleanty before it spouting different nonsense.

So yea.... the empty headed ones don't question pathetic books that offern nothing but "FAITH" as a truth.

Why is the world miserable without a belief in a god? Is you're life so pathetic that the only thing preventing you from killing yourself your inability to distinguish fiction and reality? Why do you need magic when there is already so much in the world and so much more to be discovered? 

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] The chance of a single, simple atom or molecules falling into place to form one single protein molecule is 1 in 10 to the power of 133 - a number larger than the estimated amount of atoms in the universe. People are free to argue against this one if they like. :)ShadowsDemon

I don't care if there is a creator but I find it hard coping with all the evil and suffering it causes in the world. Some of the stuff you hear or read in the news is just terrible and makes me massively depressed. 

I don't care if there is a creator but I find it hard coping with all the evil and suffering it causes in the world. Some of the stuff you hear or read in the news is just terrible and makes me massively depressed. 

Strakha

Why? No use crying over spilled milk, and besides they don't concern you.

[QUOTE="Strakha"]

I don't care if there is a creator but I find it hard coping with all the evil and suffering it causes in the world. Some of the stuff you hear or read in the news is just terrible and makes me massively depressed. 

N30F3N1X

Why? No use crying over spilled milk, and besides they don't concern you.

Most of the time I can stay detached but sometimes I hear something that makes me wonder how a human could do that to another human.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] so where did the gravity and sun come from? both gravity and the sun have a purpose am i right?

GrayF0X786

Ummmm
Well gravity is basically a function of mass and mass arises when particles travel through the higgs field, which I believe is the "empty space" between the nucleas and electrons

The sun came from the hydrogen and other elements that the very first stars created in there core (and eventually shot across the universe after they exploded). Eventually the gas clouds clumped together and condensed to form the star we see before us today, while the remaining gases formed planets (both gas giants and those with an iron/nickel core). There were a few hundred very small planets until they all smashed into eachother, creating bigger planets and thus we are left with 7 (8 if you count pluto) you can see today

Fun Fact
The moon is actually made up of the earths crust after a decently sized planet smashed into us and ripped off a large chunk of the earths crust. Gravity kept the pieces orbiting around us and once again condensed to form the moon. And without the moon and its gravity affecting the tides, life would not be around today

Answered? ^.^

oh boohoo

I'm reminded of a line from The Last Samurai:

"In spring the snows will melt and the passes will open.  Until that time, you are here."

If you choose to do nothing with your life because that's your wish, fine.  If that's not your wish, you do something.  It really doesn't matter.  I personally prefer to seek out things which bring me personal satisfaction and engage in them.  I don't really care whether or not they make a mark on society.  And yes, humans do a lot of awful things to each other, but that is not something you can control, beyond treating those with whom YOU interact in a way you would wish to be treated.

My philosophy towards this is simple - live your life in a way that makes you happy, so long as it does not harm someone else.  You're here one way or another, so you may as well make the most of it.

Hey, TC, it's absolutely useless trying find the answers you want on an internet forum.

For one thing, it doesn't matter which side you represent: you can't sway people with words alone. Talk is cheap.

For another, there are certain people who, regardless of how much evidence you wave in their faces, will never be swayed. EVER.

I've personally been on both ends of the debate, believer and non-believer. To me, science and religion are simply tools used as a means to understand the world we live in, not ultimate truths in and of themselves. A wise priest once said "Science tells us the 'how,' religion tells us the 'why.'" The only people who believe they are mutually exclusive as the zealots at each end of the religious spectrum.

You can't ask others to find your truth for you. Ultimately, your version of the "truth" will differ from anyone else's. When you find it, though, don't close your mind to the possibility that it may not be the only truth.

Find the moderate voices. The evangelical atheists and theists are the worst ones to listen to, because they refuse to admit that they serve mostly to push people away from their philosophies with their arrogant assertion that only they are "right."

Good luck.