How often do you seriously pray?

Whenever I have a great day and I feel that I need to thank God.

Or whenever I need something :P

Not saying you should beleive in anything, just that these are the facts and its unreasonable to think they would all die for lie.123625

I pray to the God Emperor every hour of the day, so he can help us rid the galaxy of the foul xenos and the filthy heretics. And also help us purge the unclean and guide our battlefleet through the warp...

...

Never.

[QUOTE="123625"]Not saying you should beleive in anything, just that these are the facts and its unreasonable to think they would all die for lie.SolidSnake35

Whats poor about it?

[QUOTE="123625"]Not saying you should beleive in anything, just that these are the facts and its unreasonable to think they would all die for lie.SolidSnake35

Faith is one of the cornerstones of all beliefs; if God would have made Himself more evident then He already has, there would be no faith involved. People would believe just because it was obvious. Atheism requires faith; in fact it requires even more than the belief in the Christian God.

There are plenty of religious figures who encouraged compassion towards their enemies. After Jesus, of course.

The Bible does contradict itself in places I'll use your logic against you. Prove it.

and a lot of its prophecies are veryvague True, but in Job God describes how the earth was round.

About the Rising from the dead bit: The burden of proof rests on the person making the claim. So Libby and Joeshpus and all the apostles were liars? If that was the case, why would the apostles die for a lie?

These points aside, Subjective emotion is not a really good mechanism for validating anything. Especially a life choice. Where else does a God love his people as much as the Christian one?

battlefront23

1. What about Buddah? He lived almost 500 years before Jesus and made similar claims.

2. Rabbits do not chew their cud Lev (11-16.) (I have more if you want them)

3. The author describes a "circle" not a sphere. You used that vagueness to interpret the passage as being scientifically accurate. In other parts of Job, the earth is interpreted as being flat with a dome or vault over it and resting on pillars. I'm sure you would interpret that as a metaphor though.

4.Consider the suicide bomber or the other examples of martyrdom in countless other religions and sects. Does people's willingness to die for their religions make them all true? You should also consider Galileo and, to a lesser extent, Copernicus. They were both persecuted for making claims about the nature of the solar system. They both chose to recant. Does the fact that Galileo chose to repent from his "evil deeds" change the nature of the solar system?

5. It doesn't matter. If I made a claim about any being loving me, I would first have to prove that being existed.

6. I'm not using a list format to be sarcastic or snarky in any way. (I've noticed people do that on these boards.) I'm only listing everything to keep track of the points you made.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]Well what does inspired mean to you? battlefront23

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Why would Libby and Josephus lie? Why should He? If His son isn't evidence enough, you're spiritually blind.SolidSnake35

That's...actually a really great perspective...I like...:D

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Not saying you should beleive in anything, just that these are the facts and its unreasonable to think they would all die for lie.battlefront23

Faith is one of the cornerstones of all beliefs; if God would have made Himself more evident then He already has, there would be no faith involved. People would believe just because it was obvious. Atheism requires faith; in fact it requires even more than the belief in the Christian God.

Never :o

Whats the point of praying when it never works.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Not saying you should beleive in anything, just that these are the facts and its unreasonable to think they would all die for lie.123625

Whats poor about it?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Not saying you should beleive in anything, just that these are the facts and its unreasonable to think they would all die for lie.SolidSnake35

Faith is one of the cornerstones of all beliefs; if God would have made Himself more evident then He already has, there would be no faith involved. People would believe just because it was obvious. Atheism requires faith; in fact it requires even more than the belief in the Christian God.

I know I have a good answer to that but it's too hard to explain.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Not saying you should beleive in anything, just that these are the facts and its unreasonable to think they would all die for lie.SolidSnake35

Faith is one of the cornerstones of all beliefs; if God would have made Himself more evident then He already has, there would be no faith involved. People would believe just because it was obvious. Atheism requires faith; in fact it requires even more than the belief in the Christian God.

The only thing I've ever followed blindly within chrisitanity, is creationism.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

There are plenty of religious figures who encouraged compassion towards their enemies. After Jesus, of course.

The Bible does contradict itself in places I'll use your logic against you. Prove it.

and a lot of its prophecies are veryvague True, but in Job God describes how the earth was round.

About the Rising from the dead bit: The burden of proof rests on the person making the claim. So Libby and Joeshpus and all the apostles were liars? If that was the case, why would the apostles die for a lie?

These points aside, Subjective emotion is not a really good mechanism for validating anything. Especially a life choice. Where else does a God love his people as much as the Christian one?

Frattracide

1. What about Buddah? He lived almost 500 years before Jesus and made similar claims. Like what? And was he as impactful as Jesus

2. Rabbits do not chew their cud Lev (11-16.) (I have more if you want them) More. Not everything is menat literally btw. Also due to micro-evoltion, rabbits behavior traits may have changed since Leviticus was written.

3. The author describes a "circle" not a sphere. You used that vagueness to interpret the passage as being scientifically accurate. In other parts of Job, the earth is interpreted as being flat with a dome or vault over it and resting on pillars. I'm sure you would interpret that as a metaphor though. What's the reference?

4.Consider the suicide bomber or the other examples of martyrdom in countless other religions and sects. Doespeople'swillingness to die for their religions make them all true? You should also consider Galileoand, to a lesser extent, Copernicus. They were both persecuted for making claims about the nature of the solar system. They both chose to recant. Does the fact that Galileo chose to repent from his "evil deeds" change the nature of the solar system? Ah but that's different; they are dying for a cause. The disciples died for a person. (Who had causes but I hope you understand what I mean.)

5. It doesn't matter. If I made a claim about any being loving me, I would first have to prove that being existed. That Jesus existed on the earth?

6. I'm not using a list format to be sarcastic or snarky in any way. (I've noticed people do that on these boards.) I'm only listing everything to keep track of the points you made. It's cool. I tend to get sacastic and snarky comments from just about every Atheist on this site. :|

BTW I'm gonna go do my laundry so if I don't post in a while, you will know why.

God Bless. :)

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Not saying you should beleive in anything, just that these are the facts and its unreasonable to think they would all die for lie.SolidSnake35

Whats poor about it?

Maybe if people would study the back ground and history behind it, it might convince more people >_>

The only thing I've ever followed blindly within chrisitanity, is creationism.123625

[QUOTE="123625"]The only thing I've ever followed blindly within chrisitanity, is creationism.SolidSnake35

I have yet to be convinced of another religion.

Maybe if people would study the back ground and history behind it, it might convince more people >_>123625

Atheism requires faith; in fact it requires even more than the belief in the Christian God.battlefront23

I don't understand this line of thinking. If a religion requires less faith than atheism, than that religion is severely flawed.

[QUOTE="123625"]Maybe if people would study the back ground and history behind it, it might convince more people >_>SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="123625"]Maybe if people would study the back ground and history behind it, it might convince more people >_>SolidSnake35

Perhaps you might suffer I don't know, and God I don't know how God works. Quite frankly I understand how you feel.

[quote="battlefront23"]Atheism requires faith; in fact it requires even more than the belief in the Christian God.Genetic_Code

I don't understand this line of thinking. If a religion requires less faith than atheism, than that religion is seriously flawed.

Why would it be flawed?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]So Libby and Joeshpus and all the apostles were liars? If that was the case, why would the apostles die for a lie? 123625

Well twelve people don't just up and decide to spread a lie and die for it. And a persecutor of christian beleifs doesn't just up and decide to preach it, and die for it. I'm speaking of Paul and the disciples.

some people are just misguided.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Maybe if people would study the back ground and history behind it, it might convince more people >_>battlefront23

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Maybe if people would study the back ground and history behind it, it might convince more people >_>battlefront23

[quote="battlefront23"]Atheism requires faith; in fact it requires even more than the belief in the Christian God.Genetic_Code

I don't understand this line of thinking. If a religion requires less faith than atheism, than that religion is severely flawed.

I'm with Genetic here Battle, atheism does recquire less faith.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Maybe if people would study the back ground and history behind it, it might convince more people >_>SolidSnake35

To pay for sin, and it really isn't considered suffering since you will only be away from God, no eternal burning.

I don't because I'm not religious and even if I were, I would find it pointless. Zaeryn

Trust me if you were religous you wouldn't find it pointless.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

[quote="battlefront23"]Atheism requires faith; in fact it requires even more than the belief in the Christian God.battlefront23

I don't understand this line of thinking. If a religion requires less faith than atheism, than that religion is seriously flawed.

Why would it be flawed?

Because atheism requires 0 faith. It's like saying you have faith because you don't believe in the holy cave bear, or the flying spaggety monster, or in Thor.

No one deserves an eternity of suffering. No one. SolidSnake35

I'll have to agree with you about that.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]So Libby and Joeshpus and all the apostles were liars? If that was the case, why would the apostles die for a lie? quiglythegreat

Well twelve people don't just up and decide to spread a lie and die for it. And a persecutor of christian beleifs doesn't just up and decide to preach it, and die for it. I'm speaking of Paul and the disciples.

some people are just misguided.

Oh I agree, all I'm arguing is that they didn't lie.

To pay for sin, and it really isn't considered suffering since you will only be away from God, no eternal burning.

123625

If thats the only penalty then as an atheist, what will be the difference between now and the afterlife then? I don't feel any close to god right now :p

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Maybe if people would study the back ground and history behind it, it might convince more people >_>quiglythegreat

God says any man who commits sin deserves an eternity in hell. Impossible to attain, right? No actually. Jesus took it for us. Since God was/is perfect in love and justice, He figured out a way that justice could be served and that those He loves could get an opportunity to be with Him.

I'm with Genetic here Battle, atheism does recquire less faith.123625

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]I don't because I'm not religious and even if I were, I would find it pointless. cyberdarkkid

Trust me if you were religous you wouldn't find it pointless.

But I don't really see the point in it. I think you can believe in God just fine without needing to pray to him.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

[quote="battlefront23"]Atheism requires faith; in fact it requires even more than the belief in the Christian God.astiop

I don't understand this line of thinking. If a religion requires less faith than atheism, than that religion is seriously flawed.

Why would it be flawed?

Because atheism requires 0 faith. It's like saying you have faith because you don't believe in the holy cave bear, or the flying spaggety monster, or in Thor.

Than how did we come to be? That's what I mean.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Maybe if people would study the back ground and history behind it, it might convince more people >_>battlefront23

God says any man who commits sin deserves an eternity in hell. Impossible to attain, right? No actually. Jesus took it for us. Since God was perfect in love and justice, He figured out a way that justice could be served and that those He loves could get an oppurtunity to be with Him.

A) do you actually believe that?

B) why would the existence of a being 'perfect in love and justive' be used to justified all humanity's eternal and infinite suffering? doesn't that seem a little counter-intuitive?

[QUOTE="123625"]I'm with Genetic here Battle, atheism does recquire less faith.SolidSnake35

Well there sure are alot of angry atheists out there so determined to use science and disprove faith, so far they all pretty much fail. Yeah I agree.