How to end the illegal immigration problem.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Here's how you end the illegal immigration problem; open borders.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Here's how you end the illegal immigration problem; open borders.-Sun_Tzu-

So what if we had a different problem . . . like an exploding birth rate? Should we kill new born babies or place a birth limit on parents since we have limited resources? lol fat_rob

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How? I need specific disadvantages of having an open boarder. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="fat_rob"] So what if we had a different problem . . . like an exploding birth rate? Should we kill new born babies or place a birth limit on parents since we have limited resources? lol LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]laff, if you think that's the reason for cali's debt . . . omg, that's hilarious. fat_rob

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[QUOTE="fat_rob"] So what if we had a different problem . . . like an exploding birth rate? Should we kill new born babies or place a birth limit on parents since we have limited resources? lol fat_rob

No country can sustain unlimited population. We're struggling now.....image if everyone that wanted to could just walk in. Where do you think they'd all live by the way? There are limits....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No country can sustain unlimited population. We're struggling now.....image if everyone that wanted to could just walk in. Where do you think they'd all live by the way? There are limits....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The very fact that citizens procreate is actually the reason to limit immigration...which I stated several times already. Space, jobs, resources are finite. You cannot allow unlimited growth. Thus immigration has to be measured.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No country can sustain unlimited population. We're struggling now.....image if everyone that wanted to could just walk in. Where do you think they'd all live by the way? There are limits....Ninja-Hippo

People die now with immigration too. There are different ways to have a "stream" of people in the country. If your not willing to apply the limited resource argument to birth rates, why is it okay to apply it to immigration?

fat_rob

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No country can sustain unlimited population. We're struggling now.....image if everyone that wanted to could just walk in. Where do you think they'd all live by the way? There are limits....LJS9502_basic

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People die now with immigration too. There are different ways to have a "stream" of people in the country. If your not willing to apply the limited resource argument to birth rates, why is it okay to apply it to immigration?

LJS9502_basic

I can't understand illegal immigrants. It's so easy to get into the country here legally. We should be making standards for legal immigration stricter and putting illegal immigrants on the next barge to Antarctica.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]laff, if you think that's the reason for cali's debt . . . omg, that's hilarious. fat_rob

One link will solve everything.

The solution isn't to create sticks on the US side of the border, it's to create carrots on the other side of the border. If people live in a successful and wealthy country, they wont want to leave in as large numbers.Bourbons3

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] So, It's just a Coincidence that they have the largest amount of Illegals out of all the States and they're in a Gigantic amount of debt?Snipes_2

Im not a citizen...:(

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]The solution isn't to create sticks on the US side of the border, it's to create carrots on the other side of the border. If people live in a successful and wealthy country, they wont want to leave in as large numbers.fat_rob

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[QUOTE="fat_rob"] uh, yeah actually. And other states also have HUGE debt burdens. California's debt problem has much much more to do with it's public unions and its government throwing money into stupid projects like the high-speed train from SF to LA.fat_rob

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]The solution isn't to create sticks on the US side of the border, it's to create carrots on the other side of the border. If people live in a successful and wealthy country, they wont want to leave in as large numbers.Bourbons3

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I highly doubt it's just a mere coincidence.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="fat_rob"] I highly doubt the sun's the center of the solar system . . . man this game is fun :Dfat_rob

The number has probably gone way up since this study: http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf

damn that's an old ass study. TX has 1.7 illegals. Cali has about 3.7 now. Substitute a high birthrate in Cali for illegals in Cali, the budget problem would still exist. The problem is that California has a broken system. Texas has a much better system and their budget is in decent shape . . . and the TX economy is in awesome shape in cities like Huston. fat_rob

Cali has almost 37 million people according to the census bureau :| Since when did 3.7 million equal 40% of that :lol:

Cali has almost 37 million people according to the census bureau :| Since when did 3.7 million equal 40% of that :lol:

fat_rob

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Cali has almost 37 million people according to the census bureau :| Since when did 3.7 million equal 40% of that :lol:

Snipes_2

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Cali has almost 37 million people according to the census bureau :| Since when did 3.7 million equal 40% of that :lol:

fat_rob

I'm not insulting you, you failed at reading your own link properly. An insult would be calling you stupid, which I didn't do. Now, I've already said to what extent illegals are responsible for debt problems in cali. But the idea that illegals mean debt problems is just wrong. Texas has a lot of illegals too, but their system of government is much more limited than cali's. Texas could take on all of cali's immigrant population, and they still wouldn't have near the problems cali has with debt. Cali's debt problem would exists with ANY increase in population size, whether it be illegal immigrants or people from other states moving to cali. Cali's system is the thing that is unsustainable, they over promised. fat_rob

dude, cali's illegals are 10% of total population . . . texas is 6.8% of total pop. Is that a huge difference . . . not really. Again, cali's problem would be the same with ANY increase in population. The problem is the system itself. Would hospitals be closing if the governments didn't MANDATE care? Hell no. fat_rob

"A study done by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) found the cost of illegal immigrants in California to amount to $10.5 billion annually. This figure includes the cost of incarceration, health care, and education of illegal immigrants. "

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/california-immigration.html