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[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"]Considering Venezuela was much worst before I probably would have left before that... People older than you and me including my parents have told me that before Venezuela's Bolivar was worth much more than today, markets actually had products to sell, and you could go out without worrying about getting killed. Venezuela went more down than up.If anyone here would've lived in Venezuela while Chavez was in power you'd see why many left the country and hated him. Not hard to see when you live it.
kuraimen
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DeadMan1290"]Considering Venezuela was much worst before I probably would have left before that... People older than you and me including my parents have told me that before Venezuela's Bolivar was worth much more than today, markets actually had products to sell, and you could go out without worrying about getting killed. Venezuela went more down than up. Is that why it was considered the poorest country in Latin America? And I was alive wayyy before Chávez came to powerIf anyone here would've lived in Venezuela while Chavez was in power you'd see why many left the country and hated him. Not hard to see when you live it.
DeadMan1290
[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Good for most of Latin America. His presence and influence encouraged other Latin American countries to stop abiding by western rule and to make matters into their own hands.thebest31406Yep. Now, US will want to re-establish relations with Venezuela. Now that's the thing to mourn over.; the potential death of South American independence.Establishing relations =/= being taken over. Honestly the hysteria of OT is ridiculous.
Now that's the thing to mourn over.; the potential death of South American independence.Establishing relations =/= being taken over. Honestly the hysteria of OT is ridiculous. I doubt they would want to take over honestly, not in this day and age.[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="DeadMan1290"] Yep. Now, US will want to re-establish relations with Venezuela.LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Establishing relations =/= being taken over. Honestly the hysteria of OT is ridiculous. I doubt they would want to take over honestly, not in this day and age. I agree. I just think it's incredibly ignorant and/or naive when I see posts as such.[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Now that's the thing to mourn over.; the potential death of South American independence.DeadMan1290
Wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. was behind this purely based on their actions in other South American countries.DroidPhysXI see you wear the same hat as hartsickdiscpl.:roll:
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. was behind this purely based on their actions in other South American countries.LJS9502_basicI see you wear the same hat as hartsickdiscpl.:roll: I guess harts also knows the story of Los Pepes and Pablo Escobar.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Establishing relations =/= being taken over. Honestly the hysteria of OT is ridiculous. I doubt they would want to take over honestly, not in this day and age. Well they had a role on the 2002 coup and considering their history on Latin America they really can't be trusted. That's why the new Latin American institutions left the US out, they don't want their interference.[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Now that's the thing to mourn over.; the potential death of South American independence.DeadMan1290
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. was behind this purely based on their actions in other South American countries.LJS9502_basicI see you wear the same hat as hartsickdiscpl.:roll: Yeah, that's not a very smart thing to say. Just like blaming the US for Chavez' cancer. LOL.
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Their economy collapses. Almost half of their oil exports are to the United States alone (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=venezuela+oil+exports+&go=&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=venezuela+oil+exports+&sc=5-21&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&id=7144DAE67FECE312C796349FEB07B68CAA35C4D5&selectedIndex=0) And oil exports make up about 20% of their economy. Foreign investment in Venezuela would also decrease significantly if Venezuela decided to stop exporting oil, even if only to the United States.
lo_Pine
Ok. Now do you want to answer the question I asked you?
lmao... you didn't even answer my question in the first place. And I answered you're question by saying the Venezuelan economy collapses if they stop selling oil. If you are talking about fuel prices going up, they would increase by very little because no matter how much Venezuela supplies to the US which is at most 10%. The US demand for oil is too high so other countries would not forgo the opportunity to capitalize on the US oil market by lowering their prices to remain competitive.You have no idea how the oil market works do you?
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Nationalizing =/= firing. Where do you get he fired so many people? And if firing people is such a crime then all big companies in the world should be prosecuted since they have fired thousands of people during the economic crisis. Some changes need drastic measures. In this case what Chávez did was crucial to a brighter future for the whole region.@kuraimen
It's one thing to carry out policies intended to help the poor. For all I know, they may have been effective policies (I'm not too familiar with the economic conditions of Venezuela, past and present). It's another to fire thousands of middle class engineers because they do not agree with said policies. In fact, I'd call it outright oppressive.
kuraimen
It's funny, if a employer here in the US fired workers over political differences people here would be defending that employer. At-will employment and all.
hitler was also loved...and he was a dictator[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="thebest31406"]one_plum
That's why the people took it to the streets to mourn Hitler's death after he shot himself...
To be fair, it's hard to mourn anyone when you have just been brutally defeated in war, your country is largely destroyed, and it is about to be essentially sliced up between competing powers. I would be interested in the possibilities of Hitler's death in the absence of WWII.
And yet Fidel still lives on[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Evo Morales best be sleeping with one eye open. U.S. will be after him next.-Sun_Tzu-
"I love Fidel Castro ... I respect Fidel Castro. You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that motherf*cker is still here." - Ozzie Guillen
And yet Fidel still lives on[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Evo Morales best be sleeping with one eye open. U.S. will be after him next.worlock77
"I love Fidel Castro ... I respect Fidel Castro. You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that motherf*cker is still here." - Ozzie Guillen
Castro is communist scum.And yet Fidel still lives on[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Evo Morales best be sleeping with one eye open. U.S. will be after him next.worlock77
"I love Fidel Castro ... I respect Fidel Castro. You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that motherf*cker is still here." - Ozzie Guillen
word.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And yet Fidel still lives on
mmwmwmmwmwmm
"I love Fidel Castro ... I respect Fidel Castro. You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that motherf*cker is still here." - Ozzie Guillen
Castro is communist scum.When I was growing up I really thought that communism wouldn't be such a boogieman by the year 2013.
Castro is communist scum.[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
"I love Fidel Castro ... I respect Fidel Castro. You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that motherf*cker is still here." - Ozzie Guillen
worlock77
When I was growing up I really thought that communism wouldn't be such a boogieman by the year 2013.
If you think there is anything good about a group of thugs with guns calling themselves the government and denying individuals the right to own property and their lives, then you still have some growing up to do.Castro is communist scum.[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
"I love Fidel Castro ... I respect Fidel Castro. You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that motherf*cker is still here." - Ozzie Guillen
worlock77
When I was growing up I really thought that communism wouldn't be such a boogieman by the year 2013.
I heard they still eat babies sometimes.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"] Castro is communist scum.mmwmwmmwmwmm
When I was growing up I really thought that communism wouldn't be such a boogieman by the year 2013.
If you think there is anything good about a group of thugs with guns calling themselves the government and denying individuals the right to own property and their lives, then you still have some growing up to do.:lol:
Some would argue that's exactly what the United States government does.
If you think there is anything good about a group of thugs with guns calling themselves the government and denying individuals the right to own property and their lives, then you still have some growing up to do.[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
When I was growing up I really thought that communism wouldn't be such a boogieman by the year 2013.
worlock77
:lol:
Some would argue that's exactly what the United States government does.
That is what the US has been doing for a while now, and that is not okay. There are a lot of criminals in the US government, but that does not change the fact that Castro is communist scum.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"] If you think there is anything good about a group of thugs with guns calling themselves the government and denying individuals the right to own property and their lives, then you still have some growing up to do.mmwmwmmwmwmm
:lol:
Some would argue that's exactly what the United States government does.
That is what the US has been doing for a while now, and that is not okay. There are a lot of criminals in the US government, but that does not change the fact that Castro is communist scum.So then the U.S. governemt is full of "communist scum" as well?
If you think there is anything good about a group of thugs with guns calling themselves the government and denying individuals the right to own property and their lives, then you still have some growing up to do.[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
When I was growing up I really thought that communism wouldn't be such a boogieman by the year 2013.
worlock77
:lol:
Some would argue that's exactly what the United States government does.
lol i wouldThat is what the US has been doing for a while now, and that is not okay. There are a lot of criminals in the US government, but that does not change the fact that Castro is communist scum.[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
:lol:
Some would argue that's exactly what the United States government does.
worlock77
So then the U.S. governemt is full of "communist scum" as well?
Yes.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"] That is what the US has been doing for a while now, and that is not okay. There are a lot of criminals in the US government, but that does not change the fact that Castro is communist scum.mmwmwmmwmwmm
So then the U.S. governemt is full of "communist scum" as well?
Yes.So what countries, in your view, have governments that are not full of communist scum?
Yes.[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
So then the U.S. governemt is full of "communist scum" as well?
worlock77
So what countries, in your view, have governments that are not full of communist scum?
I don't know of any that don't have at least some. Obviously not everyone within the US government is a communist, but many are.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"] Yes.mmwmwmmwmwmm
So what countries, in your view, have governments that are not full of communist scum?
I don't know of any that don't have at least some. Obviously not everyone within the US government is a communist, but many are.Oh they don't have to be completely free of communist scum. Just not full of it.
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"] Yes.mmwmwmmwmwmm
So what countries, in your view, have governments that are not full of communist scum?
I don't know of any that don't have at least some. Obviously not everyone within the US government is a communist, but many are.So who are the communists within the US government?
I don't know of any that don't have at least some. Obviously not everyone within the US government is a communist, but many are.[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
So what countries, in your view, have governments that are not full of communist scum?
worlock77
Oh they don't have to be completely free of communist scum. Just not full of it.
I wonder whose alt that guy is.Laihendi? Vuurk?
I don't know of any that don't have at least some. Obviously not everyone within the US government is a communist, but many are.[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
So what countries, in your view, have governments that are not full of communist scum?
GreySeal9
So who are the communists within the US government?
Obama and Elizabeth Warren come to mind.[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"] I don't know of any that don't have at least some. Obviously not everyone within the US government is a communist, but many are.mmwmwmmwmwmm
So who are the communists within the US government?
Obama and Elizabeth Warren come to mind.And what proof do you have they are communists?
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