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The way that he acts shows it!No I say the way he acts shows that he will go to heaven.[QUOTE="tigertechie"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]What ticks me off is not so much his certainty but that he pretty much told him that he would go to hell if it existed. >__>
Seriously now...
Teenaged
Disprove me.
Someone needs to learn some manners.Well, that revolves around the whole Fallen Angel thing. I personally believe there is a Hell, people have seen it.
http://bibleprobe.com/fatimavisionsofhell.htm
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/visions_of_hell.htm
http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/bosco_hell.htm
Snipes_2
I fixed your links, kind of. Personally, I do believe in one..... but I don't feel like talking about religion.
As long as he changes into his female form i wouldn't mind....[QUOTE="markop2003"]
[QUOTE="magicalclick"] I thought he just like a lot of sex :Dmagicalclick
She would be shemale to piss you off, tehehe.
But that would reduce her chance of future sex. i'ld have thought she'ld turn into the ideal women of who ever she's with if she really wants to ensure she has lots of sex.All I know is that you have to take a highway to get there.
by dodging a belief i mean trying so hard to prove its wrong so you can feel safe, which is exactly what some atheists do. I mean if i were an atheists, i would be really laid back because i know there is no god and there is no hell and heaven so i just should enjoy life and laugh at the people who waste it praying to nothingness ad if a christian came and told me you are going to hell for sure i will laugh real hard and say whatever dude. @ your edit: dont take things out of context. when we talk about god and hell and heaven we talk about something spiritual that is specific to individuals and does not accuse people of things they may or may not committed. According to atheism we are living in this world right now and that is the only thing that matters. our actions in this world define who we are and how we are treated, so when you accuse some people of something bad, you are deciding the way they are going to be treated and perceived. its tangible and its right here. but when you talk about god and hell and heaven from an atheist point of view, nothing should matter.GazaAliIt is very hypocritical to demand of others to be the bigger person, when one condemns them to hell, whether that is possible or not.
If anything the difference between my hypothetical claim against you and the claim that atheists will go to hell could as well show the exact opposite. Depends on the prespective. You can describe any of the two "frames" within which each of the accusations take place with all the appropriate terms and support in which one the accused should be the bigger person and in which they shouldnt.
[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]if you are an atheist, you should laugh when i tell you you are going to hell. apparently a lot of you dont laugh.GazaAli
Why would i laugh? It dosn't work as a joke:
What happened to the athiest when he died? He burned in hell for all eternity.... George Carlin and Eddie Izzard make much better jokes
you should laugh because being an atheist means that you know for sure 100% that there is no hell and no god. you laugh from irony and "whatever dude" point of view.You should laugh at my claim since you know that what I accused you of is false, no?[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]The Christain setup a table in UCLA literatly said, "Jesus paid your sin, from past, present, and to future. Thus, you will always go to heaven no matter what." So, if you believe in Jesus, you will always go to heaven, hence, there is no hell, hell is only for none-believers LOL. Anyway, who cares? I consider heaven as hell because a lot of religious are evil, nasty litering a lot, smoke, like to condamn people, and worse. I totally don't want to be in the heaven with them.tigertechie1st level of hell would be best, it's populated by good people that don't believe in god including most major philosophers and scintists So you believe in hell? Ugh. No, but if you look at the Christian descriptions of heaven and hell and what it takes to get in i'ld much rather go to the first level of hell than heaven. Relaxing with philosophers and scientists sounds much better than being woken up every morning by a chorus of angels also i think hell would have a much better metal scene and maybe CS and UT.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]No I say the way he acts shows that he will go to heaven.[QUOTE="tigertechie"] The way that he acts shows it!tigertechie
Disprove me.
Someone needs to learn some manners.My manners are fine.You are welcome to answer me whenever you like (without avoiding the points of course).
They were going to install a metro line but i'm not sure what's going to happen now with the economy being so terrible.All I know is that you have to take a highway to get there.
metallica_fan42
I don't believe in God, but even if I did, I still don't think the whole concept of hell makes much sense. I'm not an expert on the subject by any means, but I agree with TC, why would God send us all to hell if he loves us? Besides, going to hell still implies eternal life, just one of suffering which is contradictory to only the righteous receiving eternal life. If both God and hell do exist though, that just makes God pretty much the biggest *** there ever was.
[QUOTE="tigertechie"][QUOTE="markop2003"] 1st level of hell would be best, it's populated by good people that don't believe in god including most major philosophers and scintistsmarkop2003So you believe in hell? Ugh. No, but if you look at the Christian descriptions of heaven and hell and what it takes to get in i'ld much rather go to the first level of hell than heaven. Relaxing with philosophers and scientists sounds much better than being woken up every morning by a chorus of angels also i think hell would have a much better metal scene and maybe CS and UT.
Well, actually, there is nothing in the Bible that describes levels of hell. That comes straight from the mind of Dante Alighieri.
you should laugh because being an atheist means that you know for sure 100% that there is no hell and no god. you laugh from irony and "whatever dude" point of view.You should laugh at my claim since you know that what I accused you of is false, no? According to my belief, i cant say im going to Heaven, i can only hope and hence i cant laugh at the idea of me going to hell. But since you are an atheist, you are 100% sure there is no god and there is no hell.[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="markop2003"]
Why would i laugh? It dosn't work as a joke:
What happened to the athiest when he died? He burned in hell for all eternity.... George Carlin and Eddie Izzard make much better jokes
Teenaged
No, but if you look at the Christian descriptions of heaven and hell and what it takes to get in i'ld much rather go to the first level of hell than heaven. Relaxing with philosophers and scientists sounds much better than being woken up every morning by a chorus of angels also i think hell would have a much better metal scene and maybe CS and UT.[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="tigertechie"] So you believe in hell? Ugh.GabuEx
Well, actually, there is nothing in the Bible that describes levels of hell. That comes straight from the mind of Dante Alighieri.
Its not always about the bible.Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.GazaAliLike I said, the claim that one should get bothered by accusations only when they are true, is false. I dont see why it should be true for all.
Like I implied, if I called you what I mentioned in my earlier post you would be annoyed even though you know for a fact that you have absolutely nothing to do with it. Why? Because you expect others to treat you with respect.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]You should laugh at my claim since you know that what I accused you of is false, no? According to my belief, i cant say im going to Heaven, i can only hope and hence i cant laugh at the idea of me going to hell. But since you are an atheist, you are 100% sure there is no god and there is no hell.That wasnt my hypothetical claim.[QUOTE="GazaAli"] you should laugh because being an atheist means that you know for sure 100% that there is no hell and no god. you laugh from irony and "whatever dude" point of view.GazaAli
I am referring to calling you a "terrorist muslim.... bla bla bla".
You are just as certain as I am about hell that you are not a terrorist, no?
Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.GazaAli
As far as I can tell, people in this thread do not so much care about the fact that you said someone would go to hell, but rather about the fact that you seemed to want him to go to hell. You even said you wanted to see the expression on his face when he finds out that he's going to be in hell for eternity, as though you eagerly await the satisfaction of him being consigned to that fate.
[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.GabuEx
As far as I can tell, people in this thread do not so much care about the fact that you said someone would go to hell, but rather about the fact that you seemed to want him to go to hell. You even said you wanted to see the expression on his face when he finds out that he's going to be in hell for eternity, as though you eagerly await the satisfaction of him being consigned to that fate.
*quotes Gabu and agrees with him although not even reading his post since he is debating a person I despise* :twisted:[spoiler] jokes aside, thats one reason too. [/spoiler]
Then other people don't exist...
Like I said, the claim that one should get bothered by accusations only when they are true, is false. I dont see why it should be true for all.[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.Teenaged
Like I implied, if I called you what I mentioned in my earlier post you would be annoyed even though you know for a fact that you have absolutely nothing to do with it. Why? Because you expect others to treat you with respect.
When you accuse someone of killing people, you directly decide the way this person is going to be treated in airports, the way this person is going to be thrown in jail, and many other implications im sure you know. But when you tell someone you are going to hell, you are not interfering with anything directly. I still dont understand why would someone who does not believe in hell get offended by telling him you are going to hell, i mean there is no hell, whats the point anyway.[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="markop2003"] No, but if you look at the Christian descriptions of heaven and hell and what it takes to get in i'ld much rather go to the first level of hell than heaven. Relaxing with philosophers and scientists sounds much better than being woken up every morning by a chorus of angels also i think hell would have a much better metal scene and maybe CS and UT.GazaAli
Well, actually, there is nothing in the Bible that describes levels of hell. That comes straight from the mind of Dante Alighieri.
Its not always about the bible. Actually, if the Bible is God's word then what else is there? Dante was an imaginative fellow, but his work is fiction.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
Well, that revolves around the whole Fallen Angel thing. I personally believe there is a Hell, people have seen it.
http://bibleprobe.com/fatimavisionsofhell.htm
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/visions_of_hell.htm
http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/bosco_hell.htm
GHlegend77
I fixed your links, kind of. Personally, I do believe in one..... but I don't feel like talking about religion.
Oh, Thank you. I always mess up posting links like that.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Like I said, the claim that one should get bothered by accusations only when they are true, is false. I dont see why it should be true for all.[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.GazaAli
Like I implied, if I called you what I mentioned in my earlier post you would be annoyed even though you know for a fact that you have absolutely nothing to do with it. Why? Because you expect others to treat you with respect.
When you accuse someone of killing people, you directly decide the way this person is going to be treated in airports, the way this person is going to be thrown in jail, and many other implications im sure you know. But when you tell someone you are going to hell, you are not interfering with anything directly. I still dont understand why would someone who does not believe in hell get offended by telling him you are going to hell, i mean there is no hell, whats the point anyway.When you accuse someone of going to hell you are making implications about their morality, their way of life, their worth as humans and what they deserve.I can play this game too.
When you accuse someone of killing people, you directly decide the way this person is going to be treated in airports, the way this person is going to be thrown in jail, and many other implications im sure you know. But when you tell someone you are going to hell, you are not interfering with anything directly. I still dont understand why would someone who does not believe in hell get offended by telling him you are going to hell, i mean there is no hell, whats the point anyway.When you accuse someone of going to hell you are making implications about their morality, their way of life, their worth as humans and what they deserve.[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Like I said, the claim that one should get bothered by accusations only when they are true, is false. I dont see why it should be true for all.
Like I implied, if I called you what I mentioned in my earlier post you would be annoyed even though you know for a fact that you have absolutely nothing to do with it. Why? Because you expect others to treat you with respect.
Teenaged
I can play this game too.
Even good people can go to hell if they do not accept Christ. It's unfortunate, but true.When you accuse someone of killing people, you directly decide the way this person is going to be treated in airports, the way this person is going to be thrown in jail, and many other implications im sure you know. But when you tell someone you are going to hell, you are not interfering with anything directly. I still dont understand why would someone who does not believe in hell get offended by telling him you are going to hell, i mean there is no hell, whats the point anyway.When you accuse someone of going to hell you are making implications about their morality, their way of life, their worth as humans and what they deserve.[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Like I said, the claim that one should get bothered by accusations only when they are true, is false. I dont see why it should be true for all.
Like I implied, if I called you what I mentioned in my earlier post you would be annoyed even though you know for a fact that you have absolutely nothing to do with it. Why? Because you expect others to treat you with respect.
Teenaged
I can play this game too.
Even good people can go to hell if they do not accept Christ. It's unfortunate, but true.Even good people can go to hell if they do not accept Christ. It's unfortunate, but true.TaegukkiThe implications I mention though are still there, especially in very "respectful" posts such as....
Just wait and see, you are going to die eventually. I want to see the expressions of your face when you say "I got owned!".GazaAli
[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.GabuEx
As far as I can tell, people in this thread do not so much care about the fact that you said someone would go to hell, but rather about the fact that you seemed to want him to go to hell. You even said you wanted to see the expression on his face when he finds out that he's going to be in hell for eternity, as though you eagerly await the satisfaction of him being consigned to that fate.
I dont eagerly waiting for him to go to heaven. The point is, we always have atheists saying god does not exist and Hell does not exist. so i always say just wait until you die and find out about it, as a mean of finding the truth. i dont deny the fact that i want to be the one with the true belief at the end.[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.GazaAli
As far as I can tell, people in this thread do not so much care about the fact that you said someone would go to hell, but rather about the fact that you seemed to want him to go to hell. You even said you wanted to see the expression on his face when he finds out that he's going to be in hell for eternity, as though you eagerly await the satisfaction of him being consigned to that fate.
I dont eagerly waiting for him to go to heaven. The point is, we always have atheists saying god does not exist and Hell does not exist. so i always say just wait until you die and find out about it, as a mean of finding the truth. i dont deny the fact that i want to be the one with the true belief at the end. Simultaneously implying that they WILL go to hell._____
Just adding what you forgot to write.
I dont eagerly waiting for him to go to heaven. The point is, we always have atheists saying god does not exist and Hell does not exist. so i always say just wait until you die and find out about it, as a mean of finding the truth. i dont deny the fact that i want to be the one with the true belief at the end. GazaAli
Oh, come on, we can see what you wrote. You said that you - quote - "want to see the expressions of (his) face when (he says) 'I got owned!'" In other words, you want to see the expression on his face when he finds out he's going to suffer in hell for all eternity. There is no other interpretation.
I dont eagerly waiting for him to go to heaven. The point is, we always have atheists saying god does not exist and Hell does not exist. so i always say just wait until you die and find out about it, as a mean of finding the truth. i dont deny the fact that i want to be the one with the true belief at the end. Simultaneously implying that they WILL go to hell.[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]
As far as I can tell, people in this thread do not so much care about the fact that you said someone would go to hell, but rather about the fact that you seemed to want him to go to hell. You even said you wanted to see the expression on his face when he finds out that he's going to be in hell for eternity, as though you eagerly await the satisfaction of him being consigned to that fate.
Teenaged
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Just adding what you forgot to write.
That last post of yours is pretty weak, because i dont imply, i rather explicity state that people who do not believe in Hell will go to Hell, simple as that. Now is this offensive? No, do you have to believe in it to gain my respect? No.To be honest may be the ownage part was a little too much as i didnt take it seriously, but i always say is that we all have to wait for death to know for sure. Again i apologize TC, i didnt mean it that way, but after i read it it looks terrible to be honest.GazaAliDo you know what I hate when such discussions end in this manner?
Not knowing whether the person who admits they have made a mistake is doing it to avoid continuing further or if they really understand it.
Not because I will think you are a coward or anything but because chances are when the first is the case, that person has gotten pretty pissed off and leaves the discussion with an even more rigid stance.
Btw I dont particularly think that this is the case here; just feel like expressing this.
[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I dont eagerly waiting for him to go to heaven. The point is, we always have atheists saying god does not exist and Hell does not exist. so i always say just wait until you die and find out about it, as a mean of finding the truth. i dont deny the fact that i want to be the one with the true belief at the end. GabuEx
Oh, come on, we can see what you wrote. You said that you - quote - "want to see the expressions of (his) face when (he says) 'I got owned!'" In other words, you want to see the expression on his face when he finds out he's going to suffer in hell for all eternity. There is no other interpretation.
I apologized to him after reading it for the 2nd time, it looks terrible. I carelessly said it this way due to the fact that i dont have a saying in the matter anyway. I can only say things according to my beliefs. that does not make me the cause of them. I mean this is like someone telling you your pet cat is dead. he only told you, but he didnt kill it. I in general act like this. Due to the fact that English is not my first language and because of cultural differences, i may write things that i didnt mean, or people can interpret things wrongly.[QUOTE="GHlegend77"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
Well, that revolves around the whole Fallen Angel thing. I personally believe there is a Hell, people have seen it.
http://bibleprobe.com/fatimavisionsofhell.htm
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/visions_of_hell.htm
http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/bosco_hell.htm
Snipes_2
I fixed your links, kind of. Personally, I do believe in one..... but I don't feel like talking about religion.
Oh, Thank you. I always mess up posting links like that. Your first link is a story about kids who claimed to have been visited by Mary who showed them a vision of hell and predicted World War 2, saying it was a punishment from God for the sins of the world. Only that doesn't really make any sense. Why would God kill six millions jews for instance? Why would he choose to have homosexuals and gypsies rounded up and killed? That's not very God-like. And why did he choose, say, not to have anyone harmed in Spain or Sweden or any other neutral country? Why were the souls of Americans not 'punished' until a couple of years after the war started? Further, why would Mary bring a host and a challis for the kids to eat and drink from as per the Catholic ritual when the bible is pretty consistently anti-ritual? I dont want to get into a massive argument, i'm just saying that story is nowhere near proof that Hell exists. There's far too much in there which doesn't make sense. I mean if we just stick to the World War 2 being a punishment from God, that more or less says that God inflicted the tyranny of Adolf Hitler on the world.
Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.GazaAli
.. You laugh and ignore it when some one is threatening you with eternal damnition for not conforming..
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Simultaneously implying that they WILL go to hell.[QUOTE="GazaAli"] I dont eagerly waiting for him to go to heaven. The point is, we always have atheists saying god does not exist and Hell does not exist. so i always say just wait until you die and find out about it, as a mean of finding the truth. i dont deny the fact that i want to be the one with the true belief at the end. GazaAli
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Just adding what you forgot to write.
That last post of yours is pretty weak, because i dont imply, i rather explicity state that people who do not believe in Hell will go to Hell, simple as that. Now is this offensive? No, do you have to believe in it to gain my respect? No.And why do people usually go to hell? Because they are immoral, because their way of life is sinful, because they dont deserve a reward for what they did in life etc. Right?Now can you tell me how a claim that one goes to hell goes without the reasons why one goes to hell?
[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I dont eagerly waiting for him to go to heaven. The point is, we always have atheists saying god does not exist and Hell does not exist. so i always say just wait until you die and find out about it, as a mean of finding the truth. i dont deny the fact that i want to be the one with the true belief at the end. GazaAli
Oh, come on, we can see what you wrote. You said that you - quote - "want to see the expressions of (his) face when (he says) 'I got owned!'" In other words, you want to see the expression on his face when he finds out he's going to suffer in hell for all eternity. There is no other interpretation.
I apologized to him after reading it for the 2nd time, it looks terrible. I carelessly said it this way due to the fact that i dont have a saying in the matter anyway. I can only say things according to my beliefs. that does not make me the cause of them. I mean this is like someone telling you your pet cat is dead. he only told you, but he didnt kill it. I in general act like this. Due to the fact that English is not my first language and because of cultural differences, i may write things that i didnt mean, or people can interpret things wrongly. I think this was just a difference of interpretation. I didn't take it the same way others seem to have. I didn't for a second think that you were WISHING death on him and reveling in the thought of him being sent to hell. I thought it was just a joke.Do you know what I hate when such discussions end in this manner?[QUOTE="GazaAli"]To be honest may be the ownage part was a little too much as i didnt take it seriously, but i always say is that we all have to wait for death to know for sure. Again i apologize TC, i didnt mean it that way, but after i read it it looks terrible to be honest.Teenaged
Not knowing whether the person who admits they have made a mistake is doing it to avoid continuing further or if they really understand it.
Not because I will think you are a coward or anything but because chances are when the first is the case, that person has gotten pretty pissed off and leaves the discussion with an even more rigid stance.
Btw I dont particularly think that this is the case here; just feel like expressing this.
I decided this a long time ago:"Never apologize because you feel you have to, and never dont apologize because your pride stops you" if i made a mistake i apologize for it, simple as that. And as people keep saying "This is the internet", meaning that you dont know me in person, so i dont think i would get the feeling of having to apologize.Genna is the lake of fire. Eternal Death a.k.a. That's Gehonnim, not Genna. -_-[QUOTE="tigertechie"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Yes, there's no such thing as hell in Judaism. People who don't make it to Genna (heaven) are annihilated instead.ghoklebutter
BTW, I'm getting sick of mini ****storms like this one.
Goddamit.. Heaven is called gun-eden(garden of eden) and it doesn't expressly say anywhere that you go there(only passing mentioning after genesis)-it exists on earth(adam eve-birthplace of humanity ). hell is called 'Gehenom' and the word for lake is 'aggam' and there is little mention of it (I don't know about this fire lake of your's).any mentioning of the afterlife is flimsy at best.basically- The jewish bible states that the afterlife exists but doesn't elaborate very much.[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]I apologized to him after reading it for the 2nd time, it looks terrible. I carelessly said it this way due to the fact that i dont have a saying in the matter anyway. I can only say things according to my beliefs. that does not make me the cause of them. I mean this is like someone telling you your pet cat is dead. he only told you, but he didnt kill it. I in general act like this. Due to the fact that English is not my first language and because of cultural differences, i may write things that i didnt mean, or people can interpret things wrongly. I think this was just a difference of interpretation. I didn't take it the same way others seem to have. I didn't for a second think that you were WISHING death on him and reveling in the thought of him being sent to hell. I thought it was just a joke. Oh come on, there wasnt even a "lol" in there to signify a joke.Oh, come on, we can see what you wrote. You said that you - quote - "want to see the expressions of (his) face when (he says) 'I got owned!'" In other words, you want to see the expression on his face when he finds out he's going to suffer in hell for all eternity. There is no other interpretation.
Ninja-Bear
[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.sSubZerOo
.. You laugh and ignore it when some one is threatening you with eternal damnition for not conforming..
If you know he is talking BS, sure why not.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Simultaneously implying that they WILL go to hell.[QUOTE="GazaAli"] I dont eagerly waiting for him to go to heaven. The point is, we always have atheists saying god does not exist and Hell does not exist. so i always say just wait until you die and find out about it, as a mean of finding the truth. i dont deny the fact that i want to be the one with the true belief at the end. GazaAli
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Just adding what you forgot to write.
That last post of yours is pretty weak, because i dont imply, i rather explicity state that people who do not believe in Hell will go to Hell, simple as that. Now is this offensive? No, do you have to believe in it to gain my respect? No... Yes that is offensive, becuase you are suggesting implicitly you are holding the truth, and know exactly whats going to happen at the time of our deaths.. And that our values and the like are completely wrong, and if we do not conform we are going to suffer for eternity.. This would be basically like saying that athiests or any one who doesn't share yoru view is a heretic.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im not saying that atheists should be the bigger people and laugh and ignore the matter, rather its only natural to laugh and ignore it if you believe in your atheism. The only explanation i have is that they dont know for sure, and thus they have to constantly deny other people beliefs. I mean for an example, lets say that i got the Nobel prize for category X, and then some guy came and said "Ali does not know **** about category X" i would laugh my ass so hard at him, look dude i have the Nobel prize and you have nothing.GazaAli
.. You laugh and ignore it when some one is threatening you with eternal damnition for not conforming..
If you know he is talking BS, sure why not....................................................... You can not prove what you believe, hence to a person who doesn't agree and makes striking declarations its the exact same as BS... And BS in the religious community is a matter of PERSPECTIVE not fact..
That last post of yours is pretty weak, because i dont imply, i rather explicity state that people who do not believe in Hell will go to Hell, simple as that. Now is this offensive? No, do you have to believe in it to gain my respect? No.[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Simultaneously implying that they WILL go to hell.
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Just adding what you forgot to write.
sSubZerOo
.. Yes that is offensive, becuase you are suggesting implicitly you are holding the truth, and know exactly whats going to happen at the time of our deaths.. And that our values and the like are completely wrong, and if we do not conform we are going to suffer for eternity.. This would be basically like saying that athiests or any one who doesn't share yoru view is a heretic.
I-GazaAli- explicitly state that people who do not believe in god and hell will suffer in hell for eternity, again simple as that. Now, of course this is my own belief which i have 100% freedom with it, despite the fact that it may or may not please some people. According to your logic i should feel offended when some atheist says "There is not God" because he implies that all my prayings are just a pile of crap.[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] That last post of yours is pretty weak, because i dont imply, i rather explicity state that people who do not believe in Hell will go to Hell, simple as that. Now is this offensive? No, do you have to believe in it to gain my respect? No.GazaAli
.. Yes that is offensive, becuase you are suggesting implicitly you are holding the truth, and know exactly whats going to happen at the time of our deaths.. And that our values and the like are completely wrong, and if we do not conform we are going to suffer for eternity.. This would be basically like saying that athiests or any one who doesn't share yoru view is a heretic.
I-GazaAli- explicitly state that people who do not believe in god and hell will suffer in hell for eternity, again simple as that. Now, of course this is my own belief which i have 100% freedom with it, despite the fact that it may or may not please some people. According to your logic i should feel offended when some atheist says "There is not God" because he implies that all my prayings are just a pile of crap.But it doesnt imply things about you as a person necessarily.It may just give you a great disappointment and some sadness. It doesnt offend you.
If you know he is talking BS, sure why not.[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
.. You laugh and ignore it when some one is threatening you with eternal damnition for not conforming..
sSubZerOo
...................................................... You can not prove what you believe, hence to a person who doesn't agree and makes striking declarations its the exact same as BS... And BS in the religious community is a matter of PERSPECTIVE not fact..
i thought atheism is about knowing not believing, this is the whole point of atheism. you cant compare religion and atheism. Religion is about faith and Atheism is about science and proving.[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] If you know he is talking BS, sure why not.GazaAli
...................................................... You can not prove what you believe, hence to a person who doesn't agree and makes striking declarations its the exact same as BS... And BS in the religious community is a matter of PERSPECTIVE not fact..
i thought atheism is about knowing not believing, this is the whole point of atheism. you cant compare religion and atheism. Religion is about faith and Atheism is about science and proving.The existence of gnostic atheism is debatable.I-GazaAli- explicitly state that people who do not believe in god and hell will suffer in hell for eternity, again simple as that. Now, of course this is my own belief which i have 100% freedom with it, despite the fact that it may or may not please some people. According to your logic i should feel offended when some atheist says "There is not God" because he implies that all my prayings are just a pile of crap.But it doesnt imply things about you as a person necessarily.[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
.. Yes that is offensive, becuase you are suggesting implicitly you are holding the truth, and know exactly whats going to happen at the time of our deaths.. And that our values and the like are completely wrong, and if we do not conform we are going to suffer for eternity.. This would be basically like saying that athiests or any one who doesn't share yoru view is a heretic.
Teenaged
It may just give you a great disappointment and some sadness. It doesnt offend you.
This is really terrible. you of all people should not say this. I always tell religious people in my country that someone can be an atheist and still be a good moral person and some of them disagree with me. Now you are doing the same thing. you claim that being religious is the only way to being a good person which is wrong in my opinion.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]But it doesnt imply things about you as a person necessarily.[QUOTE="GazaAli"] I-GazaAli- explicitly state that people who do not believe in god and hell will suffer in hell for eternity, again simple as that. Now, of course this is my own belief which i have 100% freedom with it, despite the fact that it may or may not please some people. According to your logic i should feel offended when some atheist says "There is not God" because he implies that all my prayings are just a pile of crap.GazaAli
It may just give you a great disappointment and some sadness. It doesnt offend you.
This is really terrible. you of all people should not say this. I always tell religious people in my country that someone can be an atheist and still be a good moral person and some of them disagree with me. Now you are doing the same thing. you claim that being religious is the only way to being a good person which is wrong in my opinion.You just said that anyone who does not believe in God and hell will suffer in hell for eternity; now you're saying that someone can be atheist an still a good moral person? Does that mean that good moral people will go to hell, or...?
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