I made a timeline to when music died.

I think you need to go out and listen to more new music my friend. I am overwhelmed with all the new music that I enjoy. There may not be any grunge/metal bands that are as good as they were in the 80's and 90's but there are plenty more great genres lurking around these days. You just have to open your mind and accept them.

Yay, another person who seems to confuse his subjective opinion with objective fact.

That focused on a single genre, not really the death of musicchaoscougar1

Another plot on my timeline is Rap. The Resurrection by Geto Boyz, I plot that as the last great rap album. This was 1996, one year before music died.

Tupac also died in 1996, further proving my point. The one who picked up the slack was Puff Daddy in 1997, and he ruined everything.

CaptainBeer

Man, your opinion matters so much.

Whether music is good or bad is an opinion. You made no point at all.
I certanily enjoy plenty of music that is made now and so do many other people.

Music never died man. You just need to look beyond the mainstream crap to find the gold thats being released every day.MasonLovak

Um, not all the "mainstream" music is bad. Just because something becomes popular does not mean it is garbage.

Music will never die.

InEMplease

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]You're just older, so you dont accept the music of today. This is your personal opinion of when the music you liked died. Other people like different music, and for them they might think the new age of music is just beginning. ps. Adding "Thoughts?" to a post that belongs in a blog, doesn't make it discussion worthy.CaptainBeer

music died in 1997, I did a detailed analysis. Radiohead's "OK Computer" to the Deftones single "My Own Summer" is the main key timeline to when music changed forever.

After 1997, it was Britney Spears, Boy Bands, Nu-Metal & Crap.

Once again as ChaosCougar said, you are focusing on a single genre of music. I grew up in the 80's and 90's and I can say with certainty that music did not die. Only grunge has died so if that is the only thing you really listen to and that is the only music you consider music, then by all means, you are correct in your posited assertion. Music has died for you. Now for the rest of the planet, music as not only not died, but I find that current music trends are still valid for me. And no I don't listen to mainly top 40 pop. I still listen to alternative and metal music. Now there are 50 or so kinds of metal, maybe even 1,000,000 kinds now with a new one coming from the mouth of someone all the time. Like for example, "angst" metal. I saw that on one of these threads and the very next response was "what is angst metal?" I know. No one really knows. Someone took another metal and made it angst in their opinion. Getting back on topic. Music didn't die and the fact that you point that out only shows your limited scope of music knowledge. I only listen to a few genres mainly, but I still know as everyone else that what you have said is false. I really hope someone comes up with something that you can enjoy soon for your sake so that you are not limited to listening to 90's music forever.

You could date grunge back to 1984, when Green River crystalized the scene, but the Melvins formed in 1983. The Melvins never considered themselves grunge, but hard rock like Motorhead. Grunge died in 1996 after Failure's "Fantastic Planet", that was basically the last remenants of it. It wasn't until Radiohead's "OK Computer" came out that things really started to change & then when My Own Summer by Deftones came out, Nu-Metal basically took over the world from 1997-on.

So what happened was, Grunge was pop in the early 90's, then smashing pumpkins and radiohead were like mid-90's & they were basically the last great bands before 1997's downfall.

1997 from all of my research and timeline is when music reached it's full peak with OK Computer and started to spiral waaaaaay down. 1998 is when the Boy Bands, Britney Spears and Nickelback stuff started to form, with Days of the New & Deftones as the leaders. Then Korn & Limp Bizkit nailed the coffin.

Thoughts?

CaptainBeer

I have to agree with you. And I also like the fact you're sticking to your guns on this and are not swayed by other people's opinion.

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

You could date grunge back to 1984, when Green River crystalized the scene, but the Melvins formed in 1983. The Melvins never considered themselves grunge, but hard rock like Motorhead. Grunge died in 1996 after Failure's "Fantastic Planet", that was basically the last remenants of it. It wasn't until Radiohead's "OK Computer" came out that things really started to change & then when My Own Summer by Deftones came out, Nu-Metal basically took over the world from 1997-on.

So what happened was, Grunge was pop in the early 90's, then smashing pumpkins and radiohead were like mid-90's & they were basically the last great bands before 1997's downfall.

1997 from all of my research and timeline is when music reached it's full peak with OK Computer and started to spiral waaaaaay down. 1998 is when the Boy Bands, Britney Spears and Nickelback stuff started to form, with Days of the New & Deftones as the leaders. Then Korn & Limp Bizkit nailed the coffin.

Thoughts?

KPAXMAN

I have to agree with you. And I also like the fact you're sticking to your guns on this and are not swayed by other people's opinion.

Just want to point out that this album has been released today. Seems like good music to me :o

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

You could date grunge back to 1984, when Green River crystalized the scene, but the Melvins formed in 1983. The Melvins never considered themselves grunge, but hard rock like Motorhead. Grunge died in 1996 after Failure's "Fantastic Planet", that was basically the last remenants of it. It wasn't until Radiohead's "OK Computer" came out that things really started to change & then when My Own Summer by Deftones came out, Nu-Metal basically took over the world from 1997-on.

So what happened was, Grunge was pop in the early 90's, then smashing pumpkins and radiohead were like mid-90's & they were basically the last great bands before 1997's downfall.

1997 from all of my research and timeline is when music reached it's full peak with OK Computer and started to spiral waaaaaay down. 1998 is when the Boy Bands, Britney Spears and Nickelback stuff started to form, with Days of the New & Deftones as the leaders. Then Korn & Limp Bizkit nailed the coffin.

Thoughts?

KPAXMAN

I have to agree with you. And I also like the fact you're sticking to your guns on this and are not swayed by other people's opinion.

You could date grunge back to 1984, when Green River crystalized the scene, but the Melvins formed in 1983. The Melvins never considered themselves grunge, but hard rock like Motorhead. Grunge died in 1996 after Failure's "Fantastic Planet", that was basically the last remenants of it. It wasn't until Radiohead's "OK Computer" came out that things really started to change & then when My Own Summer by Deftones came out, Nu-Metal basically took over the world from 1997-on.

So what happened was, Grunge was pop in the early 90's, then smashing pumpkins and radiohead were like mid-90's & they were basically the last great bands before 1997's downfall.

1997 from all of my research and timeline is when music reached it's full peak with OK Computer and started to spiral waaaaaay down. 1998 is when the Boy Bands, Britney Spears and Nickelback stuff started to form, with Days of the New & Deftones as the leaders. Then Korn & Limp Bizkit nailed the coffin.

Thoughts?

CaptainBeer

Music has not died for me, Brutal Death Metal, Death Metal, Melodic Death Metal, Black Metal, UnBlack metal, Pagan Metal, Folk Metal, and all those other Metal genres on the fringe are still very much alive and as popular as ever.

I also enjoy listening to techno like Scooter, BassHunter, and also some Dubstep songs.

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

You could date grunge back to 1984, when Green River crystalized the scene, but the Melvins formed in 1983. The Melvins never considered themselves grunge, but hard rock like Motorhead. Grunge died in 1996 after Failure's "Fantastic Planet", that was basically the last remenants of it. It wasn't until Radiohead's "OK Computer" came out that things really started to change & then when My Own Summer by Deftones came out, Nu-Metal basically took over the world from 1997-on.

So what happened was, Grunge was pop in the early 90's, then smashing pumpkins and radiohead were like mid-90's & they were basically the last great bands before 1997's downfall.

1997 from all of my research and timeline is when music reached it's full peak with OK Computer and started to spiral waaaaaay down. 1998 is when the Boy Bands, Britney Spears and Nickelback stuff started to form, with Days of the New & Deftones as the leaders. Then Korn & Limp Bizkit nailed the coffin.

Thoughts?

KPAXMAN

I have to agree with you. And I also like the fact you're sticking to your guns on this and are not swayed by other people's opinion.

Being stubborn and highly opinionated doesn't mean that you are the authority on the subject. Is hard rock a genre of music? Is alternative a genre of music? Is country a genre of music? Are hip hop, rap, r&b, light rock, pop, and classical genres of music? Yes, I believe they are. Grunge was a sub-genre of alternative and yes, it pretty much died in the 90's but all of the other types went on. They didn't die. Insisting that ALL music died except for "crap" and "boy bands" is just short sighted and highly opinionated and is in no way indicative of other's tastes nor correct in any way. Sticking to your guns is good as long as your not asserting something and basically telling everyone else they're wrong when in fact you are the ones incorrect.

[QUOTE="KPAXMAN"]

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

You could date grunge back to 1984, when Green River crystalized the scene, but the Melvins formed in 1983. The Melvins never considered themselves grunge, but hard rock like Motorhead. Grunge died in 1996 after Failure's "Fantastic Planet", that was basically the last remenants of it. It wasn't until Radiohead's "OK Computer" came out that things really started to change & then when My Own Summer by Deftones came out, Nu-Metal basically took over the world from 1997-on.

So what happened was, Grunge was pop in the early 90's, then smashing pumpkins and radiohead were like mid-90's & they were basically the last great bands before 1997's downfall.

1997 from all of my research and timeline is when music reached it's full peak with OK Computer and started to spiral waaaaaay down. 1998 is when the Boy Bands, Britney Spears and Nickelback stuff started to form, with Days of the New & Deftones as the leaders. Then Korn & Limp Bizkit nailed the coffin.

Thoughts?

Nibroc420

I have to agree with you. And I also like the fact you're sticking to your guns on this and are not swayed by other people's opinion.

[QUOTE="KPAXMAN"]

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

You could date grunge back to 1984, when Green River crystalized the scene, but the Melvins formed in 1983. The Melvins never considered themselves grunge, but hard rock like Motorhead. Grunge died in 1996 after Failure's "Fantastic Planet", that was basically the last remenants of it. It wasn't until Radiohead's "OK Computer" came out that things really started to change & then when My Own Summer by Deftones came out, Nu-Metal basically took over the world from 1997-on.

So what happened was, Grunge was pop in the early 90's, then smashing pumpkins and radiohead were like mid-90's & they were basically the last great bands before 1997's downfall.

1997 from all of my research and timeline is when music reached it's full peak with OK Computer and started to spiral waaaaaay down. 1998 is when the Boy Bands, Britney Spears and Nickelback stuff started to form, with Days of the New & Deftones as the leaders. Then Korn & Limp Bizkit nailed the coffin.

Thoughts?

Sunfyre7896

I have to agree with you. And I also like the fact you're sticking to your guns on this and are not swayed by other people's opinion.

Being stubborn and highly opinionated doesn't mean that you are the authority on the subject. Is hard rock a genre of music? Is alternative a genre of music? Is country a genre of music? Are hip hop, rap, r&b, light rock, pop, and classical genres of music? Yes, I believe they are. Grunge was a sub-genre of alternative and yes, it pretty much died in the 90's but all of the other types went on. They didn't die. Insisting that ALL music died except for "crap" and "boy bands" is just short sighted and highly opinionated and is in no way indicative of other's tastes nor correct in any way. Sticking to your guns is good as long as your not asserting something and basically telling everyone else they're wrong when in fact you are the ones incorrect.

[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

[QUOTE="KPAXMAN"]

I have to agree with you. And I also like the fact you're sticking to your guns on this and are not swayed by other people's opinion.

LJS9502_basic

Being stubborn and highly opinionated doesn't mean that you are the authority on the subject. Is hard rock a genre of music? Is alternative a genre of music? Is country a genre of music? Are hip hop, rap, r&b, light rock, pop, and classical genres of music? Yes, I believe they are. Grunge was a sub-genre of alternative and yes, it pretty much died in the 90's but all of the other types went on. They didn't die. Insisting that ALL music died except for "crap" and "boy bands" is just short sighted and highly opinionated and is in no way indicative of other's tastes nor correct in any way. Sticking to your guns is good as long as your not asserting something and basically telling everyone else they're wrong when in fact you are the ones incorrect.

Either way, the assertion they made in the OP was ridiculous. It almost looked like some trolling post or trying to see what could arise from this. I see they haven't gotten back to anyone since the first page I believe. It was just made as a rant starter imo.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

Being stubborn and highly opinionated doesn't mean that you are the authority on the subject. Is hard rock a genre of music? Is alternative a genre of music? Is country a genre of music? Are hip hop, rap, r&b, light rock, pop, and classical genres of music? Yes, I believe they are. Grunge was a sub-genre of alternative and yes, it pretty much died in the 90's but all of the other types went on. They didn't die. Insisting that ALL music died except for "crap" and "boy bands" is just short sighted and highly opinionated and is in no way indicative of other's tastes nor correct in any way. Sticking to your guns is good as long as your not asserting something and basically telling everyone else they're wrong when in fact you are the ones incorrect.

Sunfyre7896

Either way, the assertion they made in the OP was ridiculous. It almost looked like some trolling post or trying to see what could arise from this. I see they haven't gotten back to anyone since the first page I believe. It was just made as a rant starter imo.

[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] From grunge arose post grunge. So it didn't die...it mutated. As to whether one enjoys it or not....it's subjective. LJS9502_basic

Either way, the assertion they made in the OP was ridiculous. It almost looked like some trolling post or trying to see what could arise from this. I see they haven't gotten back to anyone since the first page I believe. It was just made as a rant starter imo.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

Either way, the assertion they made in the OP was ridiculous. It almost looked like some trolling post or trying to see what could arise from this. I see they haven't gotten back to anyone since the first page I believe. It was just made as a rant starter imo.

Nibroc420

simon cowel should be shot.. He's the one that's responsible for change concerning certain types of music, due to greed.

personally I'm just into progressive house music

You're just an old man now

OK Computer isn't even Radiohea's best album. Mostly everything they have release since then is better actually.

You could date grunge back to 1984, when Green River crystalized the scene, but the Melvins formed in 1983. The Melvins never considered themselves grunge, but hard rock like Motorhead. Grunge died in 1996 after Failure's "Fantastic Planet", that was basically the last remenants of it. It wasn't until Radiohead's "OK Computer" came out that things really started to change & then when My Own Summer by Deftones came out, Nu-Metal basically took over the world from 1997-on.

So what happened was, Grunge was pop in the early 90's, then smashing pumpkins and radiohead were like mid-90's & they were basically the last great bands before 1997's downfall.

1997 from all of my research and timeline is when music reached it's full peak with OK Computer and started to spiral waaaaaay down. 1998 is when the Boy Bands, Britney Spears and Nickelback stuff started to form, with Days of the New & Deftones as the leaders. Then Korn & Limp Bizkit nailed the coffin.

Thoughts?

CaptainBeer

You're just older, so you dont accept the music of today. .Nibroc420

Sorry TC, but you are officially old. Your parents thought the same when Rock took over in the 50's-70's, but in the end music is entirely subjective, and even then a lot of people don't realize just how much terrible music used to be bundles back then with the good tunes. 20 years from now you won't be hearing Friday or Baby, but you will probably hear some good Kanye or Queens of the Stone Age.

So music isn't dead, you just grew up and can't accept the change anymore.

TC reminded me of the South Park episode - "Your Getting Old"

Music changes. Bands form, bands die. It's up to you to find something new to jam on.

I love older music as well as stuff that's been released this year. It's not that hard to do a little searching and find new music. There's great stuff out there right now. Go find it!

Music died when all this new "rock and roll" garbage music turned all our kids into sex addicted hippies!

Music is a form of art; art is a matter of opinion, not fact.

That said, in my opinion, the best music was pre-1900.

I thought grunge really didnt take off until the late 80's/early 90's.

Weird, I could've sworn music was still alive. I'm even listening to it right now and it sounds really good.

TC is a master troll, well done sir

TC is a master troll, well done sir

iloverikku11

In Rainbows is nearly OK Computer's equal and it came out a decade later. I'd hardly call music dead. You just need to look harder.

I love how people always say in these threads "Great music still exists, you just have to know where to look." Its true, but very few people explain where to look.

I love how people always say in these threads "Great music still exists, you just have to know where to look." Its true, but very few people explain where to look.

communistcat

interesting. i have many theories about the music i like. of course i doubt anyone cares.

music died in 1997, I did a detailed analysis. Radiohead's "OK Computer" to the Deftones single "My Own Summer" is the main key timeline to when music changed forever.

After 1997, it was Britney Spears, Boy Bands, Nu-Metal & Crap.

CaptainBeer

I disagree, in fact 1997-1998 were great :)

could somebody please turn this into a diagram for me. I can't understand it this way.UniverseIX

Time -->-->---> Beginning of Grunge in 80's -->--> Grunge 1997 || DEATH || No more music worth anything because it's dead according to TC --->-->--->