I made a timeline to when music died.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

OK Computer isn't even Radiohea's best album. Mostly everything they have release since then is better actually.

DmadFearmonger

I disagree totally. I think everything past Kid A is crap. radiohead is just getting more strange and more strange. I wish they would just go back to writing songs. It just feels like they are cutting and pasting music together that is wierd for the sake of wierd. Listen to "exit music" or "Karma Police" or "no surprises", then listen to King Of Limbs as a whole... the songs just arent there.

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

OK Computer isn't even Radiohea's best album. Mostly everything they have release since then is better actually.

Shmiity

I disagree totally. I think everything past Kid A is crap. radiohead is just getting more strange and more strange. I wish they would just go back to writing songs. It just feels like they are cutting and pasting music together that is wierd for the sake of wierd. Listen to "exit music" or "Karma Police" or "no surprises", then listen to King Of Limbs as a whole... the songs just arent there.

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]They sound exactly like all of the other New Wave-inspired pop bands of the mid-80s (examples: Psychadelic Furs, The Fixx, Flock Of Seagulls). What's so special about them?

OrkHammer007

Joy Division was around in 1978, before the new wave-inspired pop bands....so

1978 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzTw4PYfROU

you're out of your element.

not even close mate

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

OK Computer isn't even Radiohea's best album. Mostly everything they have release since then is better actually.

Shmiity

I disagree totally. I think everything past Kid A is crap. radiohead is just getting more strange and more strange. I wish they would just go back to writing songs. It just feels like they are cutting and pasting music together that is wierd for the sake of wierd. Listen to "exit music" or "Karma Police" or "no surprises", then listen to King Of Limbs as a whole... the songs just arent there.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]I thought I was the only one who thought that! :D imaps3fanboy

I disagree totally. I think everything past Kid A is crap. radiohead is just getting more strange and more strange. I wish they would just go back to writing songs. It just feels like they are cutting and pasting music together that is wierd for the sake of wierd. Listen to "exit music" or "Karma Police" or "no surprises", then listen to King Of Limbs as a whole... the songs just arent there.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

I disagree totally. I think everything past Kid A is crap. radiohead is just getting more strange and more strange. I wish they would just go back to writing songs. It just feels like they are cutting and pasting music together that is wierd for the sake of wierd. Listen to "exit music" or "Karma Police" or "no surprises", then listen to King Of Limbs as a whole... the songs just arent there.

DmadFearmonger

Unfortunately. Was a waste of my time

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]They sound exactly like all of the other New Wave-inspired pop bands of the mid-80s (examples: Psychadelic Furs, The Fixx, Flock Of Seagulls). What's so special about them?

OrkHammer007

Joy Division was around in 1978, before the new wave-inspired pop bands....so

1978 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzTw4PYfROU

you're out of your element.

You guys are all ridiculous. I love The Killers. I love Joy Division. All of that 80's new wave/post punk. I like the revival of it too. The Killers write great pop songs. "Mr Brightside" is undeniable. Joy Division were one of those groups that helped form the "post punk" movement, which led to electronica. All these bands PLAY THE SAME KIND OF ****. Who cares who is "original". The power is in the song. I cry during "atmosphere". But that was 30 years ago. Its time for new music. and Ian Curtis was a crap singer. Rest in peace :(

If you can't accept any music after 1997 I feel sorry for you, because you're missing out on a lot of amazing stuff. In my opinion there has never been a bad year for music, if you just look (and possibly expand your horizons), you'll see that there are plenty of great artists (even *gasp* mainstream ones) making great music all the time.

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

Joy Division was around in 1978, before the new wave-inspired pop bands....so

1978 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzTw4PYfROU

you're out of your element.

CaptainBeer

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

Joy Division was around in 1978, before the new wave-inspired pop bands....so

1978 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzTw4PYfROU

you're out of your element.

Shmiity

You guys are all ridiculous. I love The Killers. I love Joy Division. All of that 80's new wave/post punk. I like the revival of it too. The Killers write great pop songs. "Mr Brightside" is undeniable. Joy Division were one of those groups that helped form the "post punk" movement, which led to electronica. All these bands PLAY THE SAME KIND OF ****. Who cares who is "original". The power is in the song. I cry during "atmosphere". But that was 30 years ago. Its time for new music. and Ian Curtis was a crap singer. Rest in peace :(

This song by Joy Division is over 30 years old, yet it still has emotion.

So I disagree with you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BP-LIntM6c

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] I think their whole discography sucks. Come at me :Dimaps3fanboy

Unfortunately. Was a waste of my time

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]"Out of my element," eh? You do realize that the song you posted sounds just like this one from 1973, making it (and, by extension, the band itself) even less original-sounding than you think.

CaptainBeer

You guys are all ridiculous. I love The Killers. I love Joy Division. All of that 80's new wave/post punk. I like the revival of it too. The Killers write great pop songs. "Mr Brightside" is undeniable. Joy Division were one of those groups that helped form the "post punk" movement, which led to electronica. All these bands PLAY THE SAME KIND OF ****. Who cares who is "original". The power is in the song. I cry during "atmosphere". But that was 30 years ago. Its time for new music. and Ian Curtis was a crap singer. Rest in peace :(

This song by Joy Division is over 30 years old, yet it still has emotion.

So I disagree with you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BP-LIntM6c

Im not arguing that Joy Division's music wasnt full of emotion. Of course it was. Im saying that there is nothing wrong with modern bands playing the same genre, people saying The Killers suck and Joy Division rocks? Thats stupid. Joy Division came first, so what? The power is in the song, boys. Not the genre name dropping, or whoever "did the sound" first. Thats pretentious.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Have you listened to all of it?DmadFearmonger

Unfortunately. Was a waste of my time

Please, my BS detector has gone off. There is no way you have takenin all of Radiohead's material. If anything, you'll like "creep" and "no surprises". or maybe "high and dry". Check out the singles.

Joy Division were one of those groups that helped form the "post punk" movement, which led to electronica... Shmiity

Without even reading this whle thread and not reading the op fully I'm going out on a limb here and guessing this thread is full of a bunch of mind-numbing/stupidly nolstalgic statements and arguments over a topic that is completely subjective?

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]Joy Division were one of those groups that helped form the "post punk" movement, which led to electronica... OrkHammer007

Your saying the electronic movement of the 80's didnt come from punk? It absolutely did. What are you driving at? (punnnn)

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]CaptainBeer

Cool.

These were realesed in 2011 and I think it's great :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QfO-zsnnqA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3CPboZDh50

How would you define grunge? By attitude or the dirty sonic aesthetic/fuzzbox sound? Regardless I would argue grunge really died with Nirvana – sure bands took on the shape of what was popularly deemed as grunge, but really it was bands acting as curators to past genre and keeping the grunge aesthetic alive.

If you're talking specifically about underground movements such as grunge bubbling up into the mainstram and then disapearing, then I guess it's just the constant swing between culture and counter culture. Punk rose up as a backlash to the emergence of 70s stadium rock. Post punk was borne out of punk's 3-chord rock simplicity. Grunge/Indie (and it was more aligned to the indie scene than rock scene in my memory) could be argued was a counterpunch to both contrived processed rock at the time or the numerous A&R-created boy bands of the 80s. It was inevitable that the tide for grunge and Brit pop in the 90s would eventually draw back (both retrospective genres) and in their place a futurist or kitsch genre would take their place.

It's not a question of music dying, more with age we can trace the constant recycling of genres, and perhaps grow a little cynical with the cyclical nature of musical styles.

On the other hand you could argue that the music industry is dying, principally because of the emergence of file sharing/illegal downloading is slowly asphyxiating the earning capacity of artists. As it's increasingly hard to make a living from actually selling records and become self-sustaining entities, it'll drive away bands who 20 years ago would have been able to build some semblance of a career.

In turn this has an impact on the music industry and the kind of music we see released, geared towards a less-tech-savvy older audience or younger crowd who are reliant upon parents to procure music for them (Susan Boyle is no doubt a dream artist for a label I would think). So the date music died hasn't happened – it's just being killed off slowly.

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

Unfortunately. Was a waste of my time

Shmiity

Please, my BS detector has gone off. There is no way you have takenin all of Radiohead's material. If anything, you'll like "creep" and "no surprises". or maybe "high and dry". Check out the singles.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Then no matter how much I disagree your opinion is valid...imaps3fanboy

Please, my BS detector has gone off. There is no way you have takenin all of Radiohead's material. If anything, you'll like "creep" and "no surprises". or maybe "high and dry". Check out the singles.

Creep wasn't even Radiohead's song.

It was the Hollies from 1974, and I think Thom Yorke apologized to them later on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7S8-Iewi0

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]Joy Division were one of those groups that helped form the "post punk" movement, which led to electronica... Shmiity

Your saying the electronic movement of the 80's didnt come from punk? It absolutely did. What are you driving at? (punnnn)

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

Unfortunately. Was a waste of my time

Shmiity

Please, my BS detector has gone off. There is no way you have takenin all of Radiohead's material. If anything, you'll like "creep" and "no surprises". or maybe "high and dry". Check out the singles.

Listen to this, this, this and this please. It's what Radiohead's about.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Then no matter how much I disagree your opinion is valid...DmadFearmonger

Please, my BS detector has gone off. There is no way you have takenin all of Radiohead's material. If anything, you'll like "creep" and "no surprises". or maybe "high and dry". Check out the singles.

Listen to this, this, this and this please. It's what Radiohead's about.

You make a lot of blanket statements. Those 3 songs are bad because their popular? and how can you have a "worst achievement"? Those 3 songs have touched many people, and youve just written them off.

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Please, my BS detector has gone off. There is no way you have takenin all of Radiohead's material. If anything, you'll like "creep" and "no surprises". or maybe "high and dry". Check out the singles.

Shmiity

Listen to this, this, this and this please. It's what Radiohead's about.

You make a lot of blanket statements. Those 3 songs are bad because their popular? and how can you have a "worst achievement"? Those 3 songs have touched many people, and youve just written them off.

Just listened to Creep again, ridiculously boring.imaps3fanboy

try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mMzOQpe0I

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Just listened to Creep again, ridiculously boring.CaptainBeer

try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mMzOQpe0I

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Just listened to Creep again, ridiculously boring.DmadFearmonger

try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mMzOQpe0I

This was better than the studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYvzDQLd_o8

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Just listened to Creep again, ridiculously boring.CaptainBeer

try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mMzOQpe0I

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mMzOQpe0I

CaptainBeer

This was better than the studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYvzDQLd_o8

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mMzOQpe0I

CaptainBeer

This was better than the studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYvzDQLd_o8

Thats a good one.. because it was before Kid A ;)

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Good choice, but best give him the studio versionDmadFearmonger

This was better than the studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYvzDQLd_o8

Listen to the harmony during the chorus, this was magic on stage. And it would be odd if the crowd wasn't screaming in the beginning.

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Just listened to Creep again, ridiculously boring.imaps3fanboy

try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mMzOQpe0I

You will love this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQKjI6395iU

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Good choice, but best give him the studio versionShmiity

This was better than the studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYvzDQLd_o8

Thats a good one.. because it was before Kid A ;)

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

This was better than the studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYvzDQLd_o8

CaptainBeer

Listen to the harmony during the chorus, this was magic on stage. And it would be odd if the crowd wasn't screaming in the beginning.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

This was better than the studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYvzDQLd_o8

DmadFearmonger

Thats a good one.. because it was before Kid A ;)

No, I have all their albums. I give everything a fair listen. I know all of their songs

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="CaptainBeer"]

try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mMzOQpe0I

Shmiity

You will love this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQKjI6395iU

Eh.. sounds like the average pop rock song to me. Porcupine Tree is as "light" as I get

You might as well stop trying to "convert me" :D

This is the stuff I listen too, hard for me to get into music like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ZPuIRmR9E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=626Qzcz1Foo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLPvzGgWs0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwrrLb-uJQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqUFoYGKkr0

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Thats a good one.. because it was before Kid A ;)

Shmiity

No, I have all their albums. I give everything a fair listen. I know all of their songs

Wow, that was a horrible timeline. Music isn't dead at all. If you don't like current pop music then there are tons of other genres to choose from including trip-hop, dark cabaret, tons of subgenres of metal such as symphonic and gothic metal, real country music (not the pop country, that's pretty bad), a lot of stuff coming from Europe, pop punk, punk (it still exists in the underground of basically every town/community), alt rock, adult contemporary, art rock, and tons more. Listen to artists like Birdeatsbaby (dark cabaret), Epica (symphonic metal), Tori Amos (alt rock and other), Kate Bush (alt rock/art rock), Hannah Fury (idk), Emilie Autumn (victoriandustrial as she puts it), and yeah there's a lot.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Closed minded, far out. Did you even listen to the songs I posted?DmadFearmonger

No, I have all their albums. I give everything a fair listen. I know all of their songs

On that note I will agree. Pablo Honey is crap.

On the other hand you could argue that the music industry is dying, principally because of the emergence of file sharing/illegal downloading is slowly asphyxiating the earning capacity of artists. As it's increasingly hard to make a living from actually selling records and become self-sustaining entities, it'll drive away bands who 20 years ago would have been able to build some semblance of a career.

In turn this has an impact on the music industry and the kind of music we see released, geared towards a less-tech-savvy older audience or younger crowd who are reliant upon parents to procure music for them (Susan Boyle is no doubt a dream artist for a label I would think). So the date music died hasn't happened – it's just being killed off slowly.poptart

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Sorry I just can't stand his voice, nor his attitude. overall, I find their music bland.imaps3fanboy

You will love this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQKjI6395iU

Eh.. sounds like the average pop rock song to me. Porcupine Tree is as "light" as I get

You might as well stop trying to "convert me" :D

This is the stuff I listen too, hard for me to get into music like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ZPuIRmR9E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=626Qzcz1Foo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLPvzGgWs0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwrrLb-uJQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqUFoYGKkr0

I took one look at the font of the album covers and got scared. Now, this is the last one. It was the most requested song of the decade in the UK. Try it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1gLGjPFkRA

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

You will love this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQKjI6395iU

Shmiity

Eh.. sounds like the average pop rock song to me. Porcupine Tree is as "light" as I get

You might as well stop trying to "convert me" :D

This is the stuff I listen too, hard for me to get into music like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ZPuIRmR9E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=626Qzcz1Foo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLPvzGgWs0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwrrLb-uJQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqUFoYGKkr0

I took one look at the font of the album covers and got scared. Now, this is the last one. It was the most requested song of the decade in the UK. Try it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1gLGjPFkRA

Oh lord no. I hate the Killers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2iS8XctJKo

I'll stick the ****cs when it comes to non-metal. :)

I do endulge in some folk and blues music though

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

Eh.. sounds like the average pop rock song to me. Porcupine Tree is as "light" as I get

You might as well stop trying to "convert me" :D

This is the stuff I listen too, hard for me to get into music like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ZPuIRmR9E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=626Qzcz1Foo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLPvzGgWs0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwrrLb-uJQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqUFoYGKkr0

imaps3fanboy

I took one look at the font of the album covers and got scared. Now, this is the last one. It was the most requested song of the decade in the UK. Try it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1gLGjPFkRA

Oh lord no. I hate the Killers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2iS8XctJKo

I'll stick the ****cs when it comes to non-metal. :)

I do endulge in some folk and blues music though

I like Jim Croce. I now respect you slightly. ;)

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

I took one look at the font of the album covers and got scared. Now, this is the last one. It was the most requested song of the decade in the UK. Try it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1gLGjPFkRA

Shmiity

Oh lord no. I hate the Killers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2iS8XctJKo

I'll stick the ****cs when it comes to non-metal. :)

I do endulge in some folk and blues music though

I like Jim Croce. I now respect you slightly. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2iS8XctJKo

I'll stick the ****cs when it comes to non-metal. :)

I do endulge in some folk and blues music though

imaps3fanboy

[QUOTE="poptart"]On the other hand you could argue that the music industry is dying, principally because of the emergence of file sharing/illegal downloading is slowly asphyxiating the earning capacity of artists. As it's increasingly hard to make a living from actually selling records and become self-sustaining entities, it'll drive away bands who 20 years ago would have been able to build some semblance of a career.

In turn this has an impact on the music industry and the kind of music we see released, geared towards a less-tech-savvy older audience or younger crowd who are reliant upon parents to procure music for them (Susan Boyle is no doubt a dream artist for a label I would think). So the date music died hasn't happened – it's just being killed off slowly.OrkHammer007

Sure you can make money from touring if manage to attract the requisite level of interest to fill a venue, however if you're a small indie band and think you'll make money from cruising the country then it's highly unlikely (more likely make a loss). Looking back at the later part of the 80s indie scene bands rarely expected to make any money from it. My oldest friend has been a tour manager for years, largely taking US bands around Europe (they often start that way then work back into the US). They rarely made money – often a loss. On the other hand he's been the tour manager for the Gossip a few times and surethey make money from touring (and merchandise).