I never quite understood the "some animals are also g@y so its OK to be gay

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

You really aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, are ya, sport?

If something happens in nature, it is, by definition, natural. Given that the homophobe's argument, using your exact words, is that it "ain't natural," then saying that it happens in nature is pretty much the perfect counter argument.

LordQuorthon

No TC, they're saying it's natural (as opposed to the "it ain't natural" argument) because it happens in nature. I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer Leggy, but c'mon...

worlock77

*shrugs*

First of all: This isn't an anti gay thread, anti gay rights or something like that.

This is specifically against that specific "counter argument".

So a lot of anti gay people say that being gay is bad because it aint natural, pro-gay answer with "some animals are gay, so its cool".

I just dont see the weight of the argument...why are they implying that something is good because it happens amonst animals? Murder is natural, it happens a lot between animals, but it aint good...or even torture, some animals, like dolphins and cats, are known to enjoy torturing other animals for fun, So you can say that torture is natural, but natural=/=good.

And then there's the other point...which is...you're pretty much trying to say its good by comparing it to animals, so, animals do it, ok, what are you trying to prove exactly? Some animals also eat their own shit, you dont see anyone saying that it's cool to eat shit because some animals do it.

So, maybe im missing something, or I dont know, im against the gay hatred and the anti gay right bigots, but this is just an argument i've never been able to sympathyze with.

lightleggy

Also the idea that homosexuality is "natural" because it "occurs in nature" misrepresents what opponents of homosexuality mean by "unnatural", they mean that it goes against the natural purpose of carnal relations which is reproduction.

*shrugs*

worlock77

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

First of all: This isn't an anti gay thread, anti gay rights or something like that.

This is specifically against that specific "counter argument".

So a lot of anti gay people say that being gay is bad because it aint natural, pro-gay answer with "some animals are gay, so its cool".

I just dont see the weight of the argument...why are they implying that something is good because it happens amonst animals? Murder is natural, it happens a lot between animals, but it aint good...or even torture, some animals, like dolphins and cats, are known to enjoy torturing other animals for fun, So you can say that torture is natural, but natural=/=good.

 

And then there's the other point...which is...you're pretty much trying to say its good by comparing it to animals, so, animals do it, ok, what are you trying to prove exactly? Some animals also eat their own shit, you dont see anyone saying that it's cool to eat shit because some animals do it.

So, maybe im missing something, or I dont know, im against the gay hatred and the anti gay right bigots, but this is just an argument i've never been able to sympathyze with.

whipassmt

Also the idea that homosexuality is "natural" because it "occurs in nature" misrepresents what opponents of homosexuality mean by "unnatural", they mean that it goes against the natural purpose of carnal relations which is reproduction.

Blowjobs serve no reproductive purpose ether, but I'm guessing you won't find too many folks arguing against those.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

because assloads of people claim being gay is both a choice and unnatural. Animals being gay, over 1,500 documented species so far, blows this away.  The only excuses people have left to be anti-gay is religious reasons or "it's icky", both of which are unacceptable reasons

lightleggy

Because it brings up the argument of choice. Generally people who don't know what they are talking about say people choose to be gay and that its a sin and needs to be fixed because its unnatural etc. But I guess some people make the case that if it occurs elsewhere in nature that it isn't really a choice because most species of animals are capable of those kinds of concious decisions. 

VendettaRed07

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

It's the equivalent to the anti-gay argument that being gay is unnatural. They're both stupid.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] for Humans it isn't the norm.

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] for Humans it isn't the norm.

GrayF0X786

Does that set way on whom to have sex with include prepubescent girls?

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Of course not, we'd be extinct if we were all having gay sex.worlock77

Does that set way on whom to have sex with include prepubescent girls?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] for Humans it isn't the norm.

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]Call me in a few hundred years where I might care that gays possibly have depopulated our species to the point of extinction. Nibroc420

Their business; not yours.

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Our creator? No, I'm simply suggesting if we (as a race) wish to continue to survive on earth, we should stick to traditional mating, rather than saying it's acceptable for one to engage in the act of sexual reproduction, with zero chance or intention of actual reproduction.Nibroc420

The point is moot. Regardless I don't believe homosexuals will doom us and if there's ever a slight chance I'm sure we will come around. That is if we manage to get off this rock before we are overtaken by them or claimed by plague or disasters.

I guess it's a matter of perspective. You believe we should stick to traditional mating and that's fine. It's hard for me not to have a deviating opinion on that matter as I'm already in too deep. And to be on topic regarding homosexuals, I say let gays be gays before we are extinct one way or another. I'm hopefully not gonna be around to see it.

And off topic I'm not saying we should procrastrinate our own doom but I don't believe restricting sexual freedom is the first way to have a go at it.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Of course not, we'd be extinct if we were all having gay sex.worlock77

Does that set way on whom to have sex with include prepubescent girls?

so keep hating :)

The point is moot. Regardless I don't believe homosexuals will doom us and if there's ever a slight chance I'm sure we will come around. ShadowJax04

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]The point is moot. Regardless I don't believe homosexuals will doom us and if there's ever a slight chance I'm sure we will come around. Nibroc420

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

It's the equivalent to the anti-gay argument that being gay is unnatural. They're both stupid.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] for Humans it isn't the norm.

GrayF0X786

Even if homosexuality was made illegal, I still wouldn't fancy to shag a girl. I simply don't have feelings for women, whether it's outlawed or not.
So the outcome is the same:

1. I don't reproduce because I'm living happily with my boyfriend.
2. I don't reproduce because homosexuality is illegal and I'd be alone for the rest of my life. 

I'd choose option 1.

 

Even if homosexuality was made illegal, I still wouldn't fancy to shag a girl. I simply don't have feelings for women, whether it's outlawed or not.
So the outcome is the same:

1. I don't reproduce because I'm living happily with my boyfriend.
2. I don't reproduce because homosexuality is illegal and I'd be alone for the rest of my life. 

I'd choose option 1.

 

TheFlush

This man. Listen to him on this matter, I think he knows how it works. Of course if we had more than a hypothetical anti-gay serum I would be more inclinced to listen to the opposite side as that would at least be a viable 'solution' to our hypothetical gay problem.

I would still go with sexual freedom because I guess you can say I live in the now and let the people 500 years in the future handle it themselves. I'm sure they will have better means to take care of it even 200 years from now.

 They are lowering themselves to the level of an animal..lightleggy

We are a species of ape, humans ARE animals.

Even if homosexuality was made illegal, I still wouldn't fancy to shag a girl. I simply don't have feelings for women, whether it's outlawed or not.
So the outcome is the same:

1. I don't reproduce because I'm living happily with my boyfriend.
2. I don't reproduce because homosexuality is illegal and I'd be alone for the rest of my life. 

I'd choose option 1.

TheFlush

Yes, but you are not seeing the bigger picture. Apparently, according to a couple of knuckle draggers around here, it is your evil illuminati socialist agenda to make us all feel attracted to the same sex exclusively, which would make us unable to reproduce. Then it's bye bye human race, hello UN-masonic-communist domination. 

Besides, it makes baby Jesus cry. Why do you hate baby Jesus, mister homogay? :( :( :(

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Of course not, we'd be extinct if we were all having gay sex.Nibroc420

So people that are sterile or use birth control also shouldn't engage in sex?

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

Even if homosexuality was made illegal, I still wouldn't fancy to shag a girl. I simply don't have feelings for women, whether it's outlawed or not.
So the outcome is the same:

1. I don't reproduce because I'm living happily with my boyfriend.
2. I don't reproduce because homosexuality is illegal and I'd be alone for the rest of my life. 

I'd choose option 1.

LordQuorthon

Yes, but you are not seeing the bigger picture. Apparently, according to a couple of knuckle draggers around here, it is your evil illuminati socialist agenda to make us all feel attracted to the same sex exclusively, which would make us unable to reproduce. Then it's bye bye human race, hello UN-masonic-communist domination. 

Besides, it makes baby Jesus cry. Why do you hate baby Jesus, mister homogay? :( :( :(

Hey, it's not my fault that I'm so fabulous and all guys want me.... :twisted:

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

Even if homosexuality was made illegal, I still wouldn't fancy to shag a girl. I simply don't have feelings for women, whether it's outlawed or not.
So the outcome is the same:

1. I don't reproduce because I'm living happily with my boyfriend.
2. I don't reproduce because homosexuality is illegal and I'd be alone for the rest of my life. 

I'd choose option 1.

TheFlush

Yes, but you are not seeing the bigger picture. Apparently, according to a couple of knuckle draggers around here, it is your evil illuminati socialist agenda to make us all feel attracted to the same sex exclusively, which would make us unable to reproduce. Then it's bye bye human race, hello UN-masonic-communist domination. 

Besides, it makes baby Jesus cry. Why do you hate baby Jesus, mister homogay? :( :( :(

Hey, it's not my fault that I'm so fabulous and all guys want me.... :twisted:

dang it, now we're all gay. Thanks, jerk

dang it, now we're all gay. Thanks, jerk

lostrib

dang it, now we're all gay. Thanks, jerk

lostrib

Crap! Now I have to learn all there is to know about Browadway musicals. Thanks a lot, Flush. :evil: 

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Of course not, we'd be extinct if we were all having gay sex.worlock77

Does that set way on whom to have sex with include prepubescent girls?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] exactly! which is why we have set way from our creator on whom to have sex with, and the tendencies where placed in us to prevent extinction.

lostrib

So people that are sterile or use birth control also shouldn't engage in sex?

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Of course not, we'd be extinct if we were all having gay sex.TheFlush

Even if homosexuality was made illegal, I still wouldn't fancy to shag a girl. I simply don't have feelings for women, whether it's outlawed or not.
So the outcome is the same:

1. I don't reproduce because I'm living happily with my boyfriend.
2. I don't reproduce because homosexuality is illegal and I'd be alone for the rest of my life.

I'd choose option 1.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Our creator? No, I'm simply suggesting if we (as a race) wish to continue to survive on earth, we should stick to traditional mating, rather than saying it's acceptable for one to engage in the act of sexual reproduction, with zero chance or intention of actual reproduction.whipassmt

So people that are sterile or use birth control also shouldn't engage in sex?

that's dumb

that's dumb

lostrib

That's how whipassmt rolls. Deal with it! 

I'm pro gay rights, but I've always lol'd at that argument as well.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

dang it, now we're all gay. Thanks, jerk

LordQuorthon

Crap! Now I have to learn all there is to know about Browadway musicals. Thanks a lot, Flush. :evil: 

I found that logic funny as well TC. Kinda like little kids saying see he did it also. The fact that they are using animals makes it even more funny. Just man up and say you have a anal fetish. Nah that would be too simple there has to be another answer besides being a freak. So they come up with all kinds of excuses why this is "natural" for a tiny segment of the human race. I find that even more funny no pun intended :lol:

I found that logic funny as well TC. Kinda like little kids saying see he did it also. The fact that they are using animals makes it even more funny. Just man up and say you have a anal fetish. Nah that would be too simple there has to be another answer besides being a freak. So they come up with all kinds of excuses why this is "natural" for a tiny segment of the human race. I find that even more funny no pun intended :lol:

no-scope-AK47

Homophobe: Homosexuality isn't natural! You don't see animals doing it!

Reasonable person: Actually, it is. It's been observed and documented in countless species in the animal kingdom.

Homophobe: But now you're loweirng humans to the base levels of animals. No, I'm totally not contradicting myself.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

I found that logic funny as well TC. Kinda like little kids saying see he did it also. The fact that they are using animals makes it even more funny. Just man up and say you have a anal fetish. Nah that would be too simple there has to be another answer besides being a freak. So they come up with all kinds of excuses why this is "natural" for a tiny segment of the human race. I find that even more funny no pun intended :lol:

PannicAtack

"Actually, it is. It's been observed and documented in countless species."

"But now you're loweirng humans to the base levels of animals."

Homophobes directly contradict themselves and yet it's the other side that's apparently being stupid. Oooookay.

by their logic alone, that first statement already lowers humans to animals since it implies that in nature animals are being heterosexual and so must be lowering heterosexual humans to the base levels of animals

Homophobes directly contradict themselves and yet it's the other side that's apparently being stupid. Oooookay.

PannicAtack

Homophobia, I believe, has three reasons:

1) You are a religious person. No need to explain much about this one. Your pastor/iman/priest/rabbi tells you it's wrong, you believe everything he says and repeat it.

2) You are a teenager. Teenagers are dumb. Yeah... That's all there is to it. For a more detailed view on this, see Xbox Live.

3) You are still in the closet. It sounds cliched, but it happens way too often to just ignore. 

Other than that, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to be concerned, annoyed or offended by homosexuality. 

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

I found that logic funny as well TC. Kinda like little kids saying see he did it also. The fact that they are using animals makes it even more funny. Just man up and say you have a anal fetish. Nah that would be too simple there has to be another answer besides being a freak. So they come up with all kinds of excuses why this is "natural" for a tiny segment of the human race. I find that even more funny no pun intended :lol:

no-scope-AK47

Homophobe: Homosexuality isn't natural! You don't see animals doing it!

Reasonable person: Actually, it is. It's been observed and documented in countless species in the animal kingdom.

Homophobe: But now you're loweirng humans to the base levels of animals. No, I'm totally not contradicting myself.

Of course, given that you seem to be incapable of reading comprehension, that might be too much to hope for.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

I found that logic funny as well TC. Kinda like little kids saying see he did it also. The fact that they are using animals makes it even more funny. Just man up and say you have a anal fetish. Nah that would be too simple there has to be another answer besides being a freak. So they come up with all kinds of excuses why this is "natural" for a tiny segment of the human race. I find that even more funny no pun intended :lol:

no-scope-AK47

Homophobe: Homosexuality isn't natural! You don't see animals doing it!

Reasonable person: Actually, it is. It's been observed and documented in countless species in the animal kingdom.

Homophobe: But now you're loweirng humans to the base levels of animals. No, I'm totally not contradicting myself.

Animals also kill their young so I guess that is also okay derp no-scope-AK47

how has the world gathered so much down syndrome in one placeWolfattheDoor34

Don't insult people with down syndrome like that

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Allow me to illustrate why you're an idiot.

Homophobe: Homosexuality isn't natural! You don't see animals doing it!

Reasonable person: Actually, it is. It's been observed and documented in countless species in the animal kingdom.

Homophobe: But now you're loweirng humans to the base levels of animals. No, I'm totally not contradicting myself.

PannicAtack

Of course, given that you seem to be incapable of reading comprehension, that might be too much to hope for.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] Animals also kill their young so I guess that is also okay derp. Stop trying to find excuses on why you like it in the but brah. Your a freak and you have a fetish. Why is the truth so bad. What is up with all the excuses :lol:

no-scope-AK47

Of course, given that you seem to be incapable of reading comprehension, that might be too much to hope for.