I never quite understood the "some animals are also g@y so its OK to be gay

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]because assloadsZeviander

;)

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] I don't believe I stated my sexual orientations. You should probably refrain from making assumptions, and instead focus on actually making a coherent argument.

Of course, given that you seem to be incapable of reading comprehension, that might be too much to hope for.

PannicAtack

Pardon me while I LOL ant your inescapable web of logic here:lol:

*Unintelligible stuff*

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

*Unintelligible stuff*

LordQuorthon

[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

The real question is, why do people even care?

It's not gay people are going to rape you or anything.

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] So your what just trolling me cause your bored and not gay is that it ??

no-scope-AK47

Pardon me while I LOL ant your inescapable web of logic here:lol:

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

The real question is, why do people even care?

It's not gay people are going to rape you or anything.

danjammer69

WTF did I just read a normal guy rapes a man but he is not a homo on what planet is that ??

Either way a rapist is scum and should die.

How is that even possible? Wouldn't male on male rape make the rapist gay? A gay rapist?danjammer69

Actually, prison rape, for example, has practically nothing to do with sexuality. 

[QUOTE="danjammer69"] How is that even possible? Wouldn't male on male rape make the rapist gay? A gay rapist?LordQuorthon

Actually, prison rape, for example, has practically nothing to do with sexuality. 

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

The real question is, why do people even care?

It's not gay people are going to rape you or anything.

danjammer69

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

The real question is, why do people even care?

It's not gay people are going to rape you or anything.

danjammer69

It could.ShadowJax04

It very rarely does. 

[QUOTE="danjammer69"] How is that even possible? Wouldn't male on male rape make the rapist gay? A gay rapist?LordQuorthon

Actually, prison rape, for example, has practically nothing to do with sexuality. 

I don't get the whole "animals do it so it isn't unnatural" thing. I'm not against homosexuality by any means but a male body did not evolve to receive a male body and a penis was made to insert into a vagina So, I don't think its natural, but the same can be said about oral sex and anal sex between a man and a woman. I also know there is ear and toe sex, which is just, ew...

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]It could.LordQuorthon

It very rarely does. 

Besides some prisoners rape other men more to get some than anything else.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] I'm not trolling you, I'm pointing out that you're an idiot. While the two can overlap, they are not mutually inclusive.PannicAtack

Pardon me while I LOL ant your inescapable web of logic here:lol:

Basically your a troll who knows how to use a dictionary to say jack shit. Wake me if you get remotely close to a point besides jacking up your post count brah :roll:

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] exactly! which is why we have set way from our creator on whom to have sex with, and the tendencies where placed in us to prevent extinction.

whipassmt

Even if homosexuality was made illegal, I still wouldn't fancy to shag a girl. I simply don't have feelings for women, whether it's outlawed or not.
So the outcome is the same:

1. I don't reproduce because I'm living happily with my boyfriend.
2. I don't reproduce because homosexuality is illegal and I'd be alone for the rest of my life.

I'd choose option 1.

You damn well know what I meant.

Basically your a troll who knows how to use a dictionary to say jack shit. Wake me if you get remotely close to a point besides jacking up your post count brah :roll:no-scope-AK47

Besides asserting dominance I think that depends on wether you use your 'gun' or your shiv (or else that's something blunt instead of a shiv) to penetrate.

Besides some prisoners rape other men more to get some than anything else.

ShadowJax04

It's about dominance and getting some, yes. But that "getting some" part is the one that says very little about any of the involved parts' sexuality. See, I don't think rapists just stare at the potential raped prisoner and think "Ho-hum, that's one nice meaty tushy I'm gonna get for myself tonight. Besides, look at those sexy brown eyes! And those muscles. Yums!" which is what sexuality really is all about. In a strict sexual way, instead, it's more like humping a pillow or something. Once you've humped it, you get a sexual relief yes,, but you also get all the prison cred, escalate the prison's mini social ladder and become more powerful and feared, which is the real motivation. 

1. Animals are natural. 2. Many animals are gay. 3. Therefore being gay cannot be unnatural. In other words, unless you think animals CHOOSE to be gay because of...I don't even know why? Then they are just acting based on their natural inclinations and instincts. Which strongly strengthens the arguments that being gay isn't a choice in humans anymore than it is in animals and strongly weakens the "being gay is unnatural" argument. Not that it really matters anyway as having sex with someone of the same gender, provided both are consenting adults, is an entirely victimless crime and hurts nobody, but it DOES remove another excuse to what really is nothing more than opponents objecting on religious and/or "icky" grounds.nocoolnamejim

Also the reason for the unnatural comment stems from the fact that it's against the reproduction  aspect....not because it doesn't occur in nature.  Though to be honest I find the entire argument natural vs unnatural to be without merit.

It's about dominance and getting some, yes. But that "getting some" part is the one that says very little about any of the involved parts' sexuality. See, I don't think rapists just stare at the potential raped prisoner and think "Ho-hum, that's one nice meaty tushy I'm gonna get for myself tonight. Besides, look at those sexy brown eyes! And those muscles. Yums!" which is what sexuality really is all about. In a strict sexual way, instead, it's more like humping a pillow or something. Once you've humped it, you get a sexual relief yes,, but you also get all the prison cred, escalate the prison's mini social ladder and become more powerful and feared, which is the real motivation. 

 LordQuorthon

First of all I see what you're saying.

However I disagree that some rapists don't stare down their victim thinking "That's one nice peace of meat". I believe that happens both in and outside of jail. Some rapists don't change when they go to prison and for some it had always been about sexual dominance. For some the cred that you in return recieve in prison from your desired act is merely an added bonus. For some the only thing going through their mind might be to enhance their "cred" inside. For others the dominance derives from something more sexual in nature and that's why prison rapes aren't inherently only for dominance, for also for appetite.

In the end it's two sides of the same coin because some gets turned on by the dominance while others merely see it as a tool. And then it comes down to wether you're gay, bi or straight in prison.

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[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]It's about dominance and getting some, yes. But that "getting some" part is the one that says very little about any of the involved parts' sexuality. See, I don't think rapists just stare at the potential raped prisoner and think "Ho-hum, that's one nice meaty tushy I'm gonna get for myself tonight. Besides, look at those sexy brown eyes! And those muscles. Yums!" which is what sexuality really is all about. In a strict sexual way, instead, it's more like humping a pillow or something. Once you've humped it, you get a sexual relief yes,, but you also get all the prison cred, escalate the prison's mini social ladder and become more powerful and feared, which is the real motivation. 

 

ShadowJax04

First of all I see what you're saying.

However I disagree that some rapists don't stare down their victim thinking "That's one nice peace of meat". I believe that happens both in and outside of jail. Some rapists don't change when they go to prison and for some it had always been about sexual dominance. For some the cred that you in return recieve in prison from your desired act is merely an added bonus. For some the only thing going through their mind might be to enhance their "cred" inside. For others the dominance derives from something more sexual in nature and that's why prison rapes aren't inherently only for dominance, for also for appetite.

In the end it's two sides of the same coin because some gets turned on by the dominance while others merely see it as a tool. And then it comes down to wether you're gay, bi or straight in prison.

petite.

However I disagree that some rapists don't stare down their victim thinking "That's one nice peace of meat". I believe that happens both in and outside of jail. Some rapists don't change when they go to prison and for some it had always been about sexual dominance. For some the cred that you in return recieve in prison from your desired act is merely an added bonus. For some the only thing going through their mind might be to enhance their "cred" inside. For others the dominance derives from something more sexual in nature and that's why prison rapes aren't inherently only for dominance, for also for appetite.

In the end it's two sides of the same coin because some gets turned on by the dominance while others merely see it as a tool. And then it comes down to wether you're gay, bi or straight in prison.

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ShadowJax04

Oh, yeah. Some do. I agree with that. The question is how many. I'd say 2 out of 10, but my guess would be as good as anyone's. 

Rape is not simply about power. Rape is also about lust. The lust for sex and / or the lust for power must be there. Otherwise I'm sure you can assert your dominance via a lot of other things like torture or just killing. It can both be there.ShadowJax04

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]Rape is not simply about power. Rape is also about lust. The lust for sex and / or the lust for power must be there. Otherwise I'm sure you can assert your dominance via a lot of other things like torture or just killing. It can both be there.LJS9502_basic

If your studies suggest rape can have nothing to do with sexual dominance or lust  then yes, I do think your studies are wrong.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]Rape is not simply about power. Rape is also about lust. The lust for sex and / or the lust for power must be there. Otherwise I'm sure you can assert your dominance via a lot of other things like torture or just killing. It can both be there.ShadowJax04

Many rapes are convenience...ie known individual that is in a vulnerable position or random stranger on the street. What you suggest goes against every psychological study I've ever read.LJS9502_basic

Yes, it is about dominance, but lust, in its purest physiological sense, has to be there too. I mean, the rapist has to get an erection, you know. Some sexual impulse has to go from the brain to tell the body to send blood to the rapist's penis. 

You're missing my point. Some people get off on the power. Is that not sexual to you?ShadowJax04

Agreed again. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Many rapes are convenience...ie known individual that is in a vulnerable position or random stranger on the street. What you suggest goes against every psychological study I've ever read.LordQuorthon

Yes, it is about dominance, but lust, in its purest physiological sense, has to be there too. I mean, the rapist has to get an erection, you know. Some sexual impulse has to go from the brain to tell the body to send blood to the rapist's penis. 

Lust isn't necessary for an erection. Some people do get off on the violent act, the dominance, the power, what the victim looks like really isn't material. Anyway sex is 99% in the mind.LJS9502_basic

The violence, power trip and dominance create lust that causes the erection. But you need lust, no matter where that lust is being fueled from. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Lust isn't necessary for an erection. Some people do get off on the violent act, the dominance, the power, what the victim looks like really isn't material. Anyway sex is 99% in the mind.LordQuorthon

The violence, power trip and dominance create lust that causes the erection. But you need lust, no matter where that lust is being fueled from. 

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Lust isn't necessary for an erection. Some people do get off on the violent act, the dominance, the power, what the victim looks like really isn't material. Anyway sex is 99% in the mind.LJS9502_basic

The violence, power trip and dominance create lust that causes the erection. But you need lust, no matter where that lust is being fueled from. 

FYI we're talking about a low number here.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

The violence, power trip and dominance create lust that causes the erection. But you need lust, no matter where that lust is being fueled from. 

 

 

ShadowJax04

I don't think homosexuality is natural, but I also believe the same for fellatio, cunnilingus and heterosexual anal sex, and I don't think anyone has aproblem with that stuff.

I've always believed in the naturalistic fallacy. natural doesn't arbitrarily = good, and unnatural doesn't = bad

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Right. Like I said....rape is about power not lust. Yet you've been arguing the opposite. You and the other dude insist lust has to be a part.LJS9502_basic

You can have a fetish for dominance and recieve sexual gratification and feel good from the act without having the orgasm or a great massage. Rape can be a lust, as in a sexual desire and possible inherent desire, for dominance.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Sure if you can believe no rapist has ever recieved sexual gratification from their attempts then it's about that feeling power and not lust or sexual gratification from said feelings of power.ShadowJax04

You can have a fetish for dominance and recieve sexual gratification and feel good from the act without having the orgasm or a great massage. Rape can be a lust, as in a sexual desire and possible inherent desire, for dominance.

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Sexual desire tends to make people behave appropriately to the object of their desire dude. Not violently.LJS9502_basic