I never quite understood the "some animals are also g@y so its OK to be gay

Do psychopaths commit rape?ShadowJax04

One might say that's, among others, kind of their thing, right? :P

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Do psychopaths commit rape?LordQuorthon

One might say that's, among others, kind of their thing, right? :P

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Do psychopaths commit rape?ShadowJax04

One might say that's, among others, kind of their thing, right? :P

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

One might say that's, among others, kind of their thing, right? :P

 

 

 

 

LJS9502_basic

Yes

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] exactly! which is why we have set way from our creator on whom to have sex with, and the tendencies where placed in us to prevent extinction.

GrayF0X786

Does that set way on whom to have sex with include prepubescent girls?

so keep hating :)

 - Why would I be jealous?

 - Being influential doesn't necessarily mean being good.

- Who is Michael H. Hart and why should I care about his opinion anyway?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] exactly! which is why we have set way from our creator on whom to have sex with, and the tendencies where placed in us to prevent extinction.

GrayF0X786

Does that set way on whom to have sex with include prepubescent girls?

so keep hating :)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Bingo. :P Thus rape can be about lust.ShadowJax04

Yes

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Does that set way on whom to have sex with include prepubescent girls?

ghoklebutter

so keep hating :)

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No.LJS9502_basic

Yes

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

 

Yes

ShadowJax04

I think I'll believe the experts over you. Sorry...LJS9502_basic

How do you know Shadow Dude is not an expert? Also, when it comes to social sciences, experts tend to disagree on many things pretty damn often. 

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I think I'll believe the experts over you. Sorry...LJS9502_basic

It's what I've been saying all the time. Lust vs desire is simply arguing semantics. To lust is to desire.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] If you don't believe rape can be born from a desire for dominance that's fine.ShadowJax04

It's what I've been saying all the time. Lust vs desire is simply arguing semantics. To lust is to desire.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think I'll believe the experts over you. Sorry...LordQuorthon

How do you know Shadow Dude is not an expert? Also, when it comes to social sciences, experts tend to disagree on many things pretty damn often. 

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I never said that. Straw man. LJS9502_basic

It's what I've been saying all the time. Lust vs desire is simply arguing semantics. To lust is to desire.

You can lust for a fetish for dominance.

*typo edit

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

It's what I've been saying all the time. Lust vs desire is simply arguing semantics. To lust is to desire.

ShadowJax04

You can lust for a fetish for dominance.

*typo edit

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Lust is sexual desire vis a vis the conversation.LJS9502_basic

You can lust for a fetish for dominance.

*typo edit

It sounds like we're done here. In conclusion doesn't believe you can desire rape for dominance.

How is that even possible? Wouldn't male on male rape make the rapist gay? A gay rapist?danjammer69

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

You can lust for a fetish for dominance.

*typo edit

ShadowJax04

Goddamn, and I thought this thread had gotten dumb when noscope was in on it.

In conclusion the above quoted individual didn't read a damn thing I wrote. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

The violence, power trip and dominance create lust that causes the erection. But you need lust, no matter where that lust is being fueled from. 

 

 

ShadowJax04

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No. That isn't what lust is.....ghoklebutter

Indeed it is and I argued that rape is not simply about power but also about lust. That was my original point and post. 

To further summarize my point it was that the lust for sex and / or the lust, as in desire, for power must be there.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Lust, desire, craving. Let's call it whatever. It doesn't change that some people sexually feed off the dominance that a rape can give to them. So while rapes are born out of a desire for dominance, some derive sexual pleasure off the dominance thus their rape has just become a sexual gratification.ShadowJax04

It really isn't. One need not have lust for a particular person to rape them and "get off" on it.

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] It's still inherently based on a desire to dominate and humiliate other human beings. The sexual gratification that may be gained via rape is secondary. And even then, for most rapes, the only sexual part of it rests in the fact that it involves sexual penetration of some kind. worlock77

It really isn't. One need not have lust for a particular person to rape them and "get off" on it.

If something is not simply being about power but also about lust for sex or lust, as in desire, for power, it does not mean that the lust does have to be there all the time. Only that it can. As in, it happens that some people also have lust on their minds when they rape.

Thus my conclusion was that rape is also about lust and that's the sense I made.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] So you don't do everything animals do and just like typing animal excuses and may not even be gay but I am the idiot here :lol:

Pardon me while I LOL ant your inescapable web of logic here:lol:

no-scope-AK47

Basically your a troll who knows how to use a dictionary to say jack shit. Wake me if you get remotely close to a point besides jacking up your post count brah :roll:

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Indeed it is and I argued that rape is not simply about power but also about lust. That was my original point and post.ShadowJax04

It really isn't. One need not have lust for a particular person to rape them and "get off" on it.

If something is not simply being about power but also about lust for sex or lust, as in desire, for power, it does not mean that the lust does have to be there all the time. Only that it can. As in, it happens that some people also have lust on their minds when they rape.

Thus my conclusion was that rape is also about lust and that's the sense I made.

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

It really isn't. One need not have lust for a particular person to rape them and "get off" on it.

ghoklebutter

If something is not simply being about power but also about lust for sex or lust, as in desire, for power, it does not mean that the lust does have to be there all the time. Only that it can. As in, it happens that some people also have lust on their minds when they rape.

Thus my conclusion was that rape is also about lust and that's the sense I made.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

If something is not simply being about power but also about lust for sex or lust, as in desire, for power, it does not mean that the lust does have to be there all the time. Only that it can. As in, it happens that some people also have lust on their minds when they rape.

Thus my conclusion was that rape is also about lust and that's the sense I made.

ShadowJax04

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Indeed it is and I argued that rape is not simply about power but also about lust. That was my original point and post.ShadowJax04

It really isn't. One need not have lust for a particular person to rape them and "get off" on it.

If something is not simply being about power but also about lust for sex or lust, as in desire, for power, it does not mean that the lust does have to be there all the time. Only that it can. As in, it happens that some people also have lust on their minds when they rape.

Thus my conclusion was that rape is also about lust and that's the sense I made.

So you're using "lust" in a very broad, generic way in order to make it seem like you have a valid point?

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

It really isn't. One need not have lust for a particular person to rape them and "get off" on it.

worlock77

If something is not simply being about power but also about lust for sex or lust, as in desire, for power, it does not mean that the lust does have to be there all the time. Only that it can. As in, it happens that some people also have lust on their minds when they rape.

Thus my conclusion was that rape is also about lust and that's the sense I made.

So you're using "lust" in a very broad, generic way in order to make it seem like you have a valid point?

I'm only stating that rape is not simply about power. That was my original point and what my original post was based on, and what set off that debate.

The way I interpret lust is for example, a fetish for dominance that some rapists utilize and derive pleasure from.

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

It really isn't. One need not have lust for a particular person to rape them and "get off" on it.

worlock77

If something is not simply being about power but also about lust for sex or lust, as in desire, for power, it does not mean that the lust does have to be there all the time. Only that it can. As in, it happens that some people also have lust on their minds when they rape.

Thus my conclusion was that rape is also about lust and that's the sense I made.

So you're using "lust" in a very broad, generic way in order to make it seem like you have a valid point?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

If something is not simply being about power but also about lust for sex or lust, as in desire, for power, it does not mean that the lust does have to be there all the time. Only that it can. As in, it happens that some people also have lust on their minds when they rape.

Thus my conclusion was that rape is also about lust and that's the sense I made.

LJS9502_basic

So you're using "lust" in a very broad, generic way in order to make it seem like you have a valid point?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]

If something is not simply being about power but also about lust for sex or lust, as in desire, for power, it does not mean that the lust does have to be there all the time. Only that it can. As in, it happens that some people also have lust on their minds when they rape.

Thus my conclusion was that rape is also about lust and that's the sense I made.

ShadowJax04

So you're using "lust" in a very broad, generic way in order to make it seem like you have a valid point?

I'm only stating that rape is not simply about power. That was my original point and what my original post was based on, and what set off that debate.

The way I interpret lust is for example, a fetish for dominance that some rapists utilize and derive pleasure from.

That's a "yes" then.

All I'm saying is some offenders derive sexual pleasure and feelings of power from doing it. Thus rape can be about both power and pleasure. Power =/=sexual   pleasure thus both can exist in a scenario.

*typos

It really is a dumb argument.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

i lol every time an Athiest mentions how some animals are gay too :lol:

GrayF0X786

i lol every time a Muslim mentions the divinity of a man who

[QUOTE="Rich3232"]op is a mean name. TheFallenDemon

The fact that homosexuality can be found among other animals does not, by itself, establish that homosexuality is morally acceptable. However, it definitely does show that the "It's unnatural" argument against the acceptance of homosexuality is bullshit.ghoklebutter