If Israel tries to attack Iran.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

or the peace agreements with egypt and asudi arabia... negotiatiated by the US... none of this helps israel.

pie-junior

Israel is an enemy state of Saudia-arabia.

The Israeli-Egypt peace deal benefited everybody- the Egyptians included. the aid to Israel (and the one to Egypt) are the "rewards" offered to both nations in return.

how many fights has israel been in with saudi arabia?

how dumb do you have to be to not understand that its not just conicidence.

whats my mistake, did we bargain peace treaties with egypt and saudi arbia? gonna throw that into the "was not a threat" category.

There never was a peace treaty between SA and Israel, that's your 1st mistake.

+I can't quite figure out how a peace-deal, ending a conflict that was much more devastating to the egyptians (in terms of casualties and economic damage), is somehow and American gift to Israel.

ITs childish to keep pretending at this point.

Iknowrite

SauceKing

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Iraq was not a threat to Israel. No comment on my quote above? I take you concede your mistake then.Darkman2007

whats my mistake, did we bargain peace treaties with egypt and saudi arbia? gonna throw that into the "was not a threat" category.

ITs childish to keep pretending at this point.

alright hoss, why are we fighting those 2 wars if not to help quell the mideast?

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

or the peace agreements with egypt and asudi arabia... negotiatiated by the US... none of this helps israel.

SauceKing

Israel is an enemy state of Saudia-arabia.

The Israeli-Egypt peace deal benefited everybody- the Egyptians included. the aid to Israel (and the one to Egypt) are the "rewards" offered to both nations in return.

how many fights has israel been in with saudi arabia?

how dumb do you have to be to not understand that its not just conicidence.

how many fights has israel been in with saudi arabia?SauceKing

How many fights has Israel been with Iran?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

whats my mistake, did we bargain peace treaties with egypt and saudi arbia? gonna throw that into the "was not a threat" category.

ITs childish to keep pretending at this point.

SauceKing

alright hoss, why are we fighting those 2 wars if not to help quell the mideast?

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

Israel is an enemy state of Saudia-arabia.

The Israeli-Egypt peace deal benefited everybody- the Egyptians included. the aid to Israel (and the one to Egypt) are the "rewards" offered to both nations in return.

Darkman2007

how many fights has israel been in with saudi arabia?

how dumb do you have to be to not understand that its not just conicidence.

so thats the reason? Not because of world politics or influence... just "ide kill them, but they are a little too far away" why are people being stupid on purpose in this thread?

If Israel attacked Iran, they would be doing so alone. The USA has been working all of its politics to keep Israel from doing such a thing. We wouldn't intervene nor help them in any way. If their attack results in them getting their asses beat, so be it.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] 1 ) there is no peace treaty with Saudi Arabia, only with Egypt and Jordan. 2) how does helping to negotiate a peace treaty in 1979 and 1994 have anything to do with the war in Iraq or Afghanistan? again , youre just trying to blame Israel for everything under the sun.Darkman2007

alright hoss, why are we fighting those 2 wars if not to help quell the mideast?

the oil interests that totally lowered oil prices? oh thats right, conflict in the middle east RAISES global oil prices.

So bush went to war in order to raise oil prices, this all makes sense.

I sincerely doubt that such an attack would provoke a 3rd World War. In any case, Iranians are far more military capable and competent than Iraqis, so they'll probably be able to cause quite a bit of damage without American intervention.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

how many fights has israel been in with saudi arabia?

how dumb do you have to be to not understand that its not just conicidence.

SauceKing

so thats the reason? Not because of world politics or influence... just "ide kill them, but they are a little too far away" why are people being stupid on purpose in this thread?

so thats the reason? Not because of world politics or influence... just "ide kill them, but they are a little too far away" why are people being stupid on purpose in this thread?

SauceKing

Saudi soldiers have fought with Israeli soldiers on at least 3 wars.

So far all I have done ITT is correct your blatant factual mistakes, w/o taking sides on my own- yet somehow you're accusing me of being stupid, and not the other way around.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

alright hoss, why are we fighting those 2 wars if not to help quell the mideast?

SauceKing

the oil interests that totally lowered oil prices? oh thats right, conflict in the middle east RAISES global oil prices.

So bush went to war in order to raise oil prices, this all makes sense.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] actually the Saudis sent troops to help the Arab armies in both 48 and 67. and of course the Saudis are not going fight Israel alot, they don't have a border with Israel.Darkman2007

so thats the reason? Not because of world politics or influence... just "ide kill them, but they are a little too far away" why are people being stupid on purpose in this thread?

dude we sell the saudis military tech.... just as we sell it to israelies...

im still unsure what you think you know....

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

so thats the reason? Not because of world politics or influence... just "ide kill them, but they are a little too far away" why are people being stupid on purpose in this thread?

SauceKing

dude we sell the saudis military tech.... just as we sell it to israelies...

im still unsure what you think you know....

Israel on the other hand, has nothing to benefit from those wars, if anything it stood to lose from those wars (though there was vocal support since the US are allies, and thus Israel stood with them publically on that issue)Darkman2007

I wouldn't say that. The brokered stability between Israel and Arab dictators was and is not sustainable. A completely democratic middle east is something that should benefit all parties in the region in the long term.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]Israel on the other hand, has nothing to benefit from those wars, if anything it stood to lose from those wars (though there was vocal support since the US are allies, and thus Israel stood with them publically on that issue)-Sun_Tzu-

I wouldn't say that. The brokered stability between Israel and Arab dictators was and is not sustainable. A completely democratic middle east is something that should benefit all parties in the region in the long term.

A completely democratic middle east is something that should benefit all parties in the region in the long term.

-Sun_Tzu-

I disagree.

Considering the utter popular hatred for Israel, and the support for maintaining military or other conflict with it, in the mid-east I would doubt that. It would harm Israeli PR, as well- Being the "only true democracy in the mid-east" is a powerful piece of propaganda.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] yes, along with the fact the Saudis never had the most capable military around (its changing recently). so it would be pretty damn pointless for them to attack anyways.Darkman2007

dude we sell the saudis military tech.... just as we sell it to israelies...

im still unsure what you think you know....

saudis wont attack because we put conditions on the weapons we sell them..... just as we do with israel.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

dude we sell the saudis military tech.... just as we sell it to israelies...

im still unsure what you think you know....

SauceKing

saudis wont attack because we put conditions on the weapons we sell them..... just as we do with israel.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]Israel on the other hand, has nothing to benefit from those wars, if anything it stood to lose from those wars (though there was vocal support since the US are allies, and thus Israel stood with them publically on that issue)Darkman2007

I wouldn't say that. The brokered stability between Israel and Arab dictators was and is not sustainable. A completely democratic middle east is something that should benefit all parties in the region in the long term.

And while maybe in the short term Israel is better off with these dictators in place, it is not a sustainable policy nor is it in any way moral to keep these oppressive regimes in power.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

I wouldn't say that. The brokered stability between Israel and Arab dictators was and is not sustainable. A completely democratic middle east is something that should benefit all parties in the region in the long term.

-Sun_Tzu-

And while maybe in the short term Israel is better off with these dictators in place, it is not a sustainable policy nor is it in any way moral to keep these oppressive regimes in power.

And yet it's funny how the US and Britain can keep nuclear weapons, damn hypocrites.H_M_1

Man, this thread went to sh!t real fast. I can't believe I just read it all, I have a headache now....

Man, this thread went to sh!t real fast. I can't believe I just read it all, I have a headache now....

wis3boi

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] total nonsense, especially the rape and poison gas, rape even more so as culturally its literally considered shameful in Israeli society to have contacts with Arabs which are beyond business contacts (and the same goes for the Arabs' attitudes towards Jews) John_Coffey

And, pray tell, what exactly are your sources?

[QUOTE="H_M_1"]And yet it's funny how the US and Britain can keep nuclear weapons, damn hypocrites.xscrapzx

Obama won't do anything, Israel is vital to American foreign policy and Obama has been preaisng Israel alot orecently. He has also been trying to appeal to jewish voters recently as well, Obama is probably one of the most pro Hebrew/Jewish politicians there is.

And Israel won't attack Iran, in order to do so they would have to fly over other arab countries (all of whom hate Israelis) without getting shot down, then stop and refuel along the way (again not going to happen as they would be killed), and fly over several no fly-zones. It's not going to happen, so don't worry.

I do hope the Isralis kick the crap out of the Iraninas though. I know they will too if Iran pushes them. The Jews are the victims here once again, not the aggressors.

I do not think the U.S. would shoot down Israeli aircraft if they were to strike Iran. Perhaps a few years ago, when we had a vulnerable military presence in Iraq in between Israel and Iran, the U.S. would shoot them down, but I think that time has past. That said, it would be kinda dumb of them to do so.

Obama won't do anything, Israel is vital to American foreign policy and Obama has been preaisng Israel alot orecently. He has also been trying to appeal to jewish voters recently as well, Obama is probably one of the most pro Hebrew/Jewish politicians there is.

And Israel won't attack Iran, in order to do so they would have to fly over other arab countries (all of whom hate Israelis) without getting shot down, then stop and refuel along the way (again not going to happen as they would be killed), and fly over several no fly-zones. It's not going to happen, so don't worry.

I do hope the Isralis kick the crap out of the Iraninas though. I know they will too if Iran pushes them. The Jews are the victims here once again, not the aggressors.

ShadowMoses900

Wait, how would attacking Iran start a World War? it's barely a regional power (which is it's goal, no doubt) but as of right now, it's only real allies is Russia and China, whom both are not willing to jump in so quickyl to defend Iran (even though they invested in it) as it will ruin any other investments. Iran is alone, except for maybe Syria (except maybe shelling some Israeli towns, Syria will fall like a house of cards ina hurricane, and it's in no shape to do anything right now with rebels running around).

So yeah, the question I'm asking is what will happen AFTER the war. The war will happen, once this US election is through, the US will be ready to rofl stopm Iran (Unless Obama gambles and does the war before the election to garner extra support, which I doubt). Will the Iranian government be changed, will the Shah be put back into power, will Zoroastrians return to Iran, will Iran be renamed Persia?

Wait, how would attacking Iran start a World War? it's barely a regional power (which is it's goal, no doubt) but as of right now, it's only real allies is Russia and China, whom both are not willing to jump in so quickyl to defend Iran (even though they invested in it) as it will ruin any other investments. Iran is alone, except for maybe Syria (except maybe shelling some Israeli towns, Syria will fall like a house of cards ina hurricane, and it's in no shape to do anything right now with rebels running around).

So yeah, the question I'm asking is what will happen AFTER the war. The war will happen, once this US election is through, the US will be ready to rofl stopm Iran (Unless Obama gambles and does the war before the election to garner extra support, which I doubt). Will the Iranian government be changed, will the Shah be put back into power, will Zoroastrians return to Iran, will Iran be renamed Persia?

lordreaven

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]

Wait, how would attacking Iran start a World War? it's barely a regional power (which is it's goal, no doubt) but as of right now, it's only real allies is Russia and China, whom both are not willing to jump in so quickyl to defend Iran (even though they invested in it) as it will ruin any other investments. Iran is alone, except for maybe Syria (except maybe shelling some Israeli towns, Syria will fall like a house of cards ina hurricane, and it's in no shape to do anything right now with rebels running around).

So yeah, the question I'm asking is what will happen AFTER the war. The war will happen, once this US election is through, the US will be ready to rofl stopm Iran (Unless Obama gambles and does the war before the election to garner extra support, which I doubt). Will the Iranian government be changed, will the Shah be put back into power, will Zoroastrians return to Iran, will Iran be renamed Persia?

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="lordreaven"]

Wait, how would attacking Iran start a World War? it's barely a regional power (which is it's goal, no doubt) but as of right now, it's only real allies is Russia and China, whom both are not willing to jump in so quickyl to defend Iran (even though they invested in it) as it will ruin any other investments. Iran is alone, except for maybe Syria (except maybe shelling some Israeli towns, Syria will fall like a house of cards ina hurricane, and it's in no shape to do anything right now with rebels running around).

So yeah, the question I'm asking is what will happen AFTER the war. The war will happen, once this US election is through, the US will be ready to rofl stopm Iran (Unless Obama gambles and does the war before the election to garner extra support, which I doubt). Will the Iranian government be changed, will the Shah be put back into power, will Zoroastrians return to Iran, will Iran be renamed Persia?

themajormayor

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="lordreaven"]

Wait, how would attacking Iran start a World War? it's barely a regional power (which is it's goal, no doubt) but as of right now, it's only real allies is Russia and China, whom both are not willing to jump in so quickyl to defend Iran (even though they invested in it) as it will ruin any other investments. Iran is alone, except for maybe Syria (except maybe shelling some Israeli towns, Syria will fall like a house of cards ina hurricane, and it's in no shape to do anything right now with rebels running around).

So yeah, the question I'm asking is what will happen AFTER the war. The war will happen, once this US election is through, the US will be ready to rofl stopm Iran (Unless Obama gambles and does the war before the election to garner extra support, which I doubt). Will the Iranian government be changed, will the Shah be put back into power, will Zoroastrians return to Iran, will Iran be renamed Persia?

themajormayor

DEpends on how Israel attacks. If it's just a few airplanes, Iran will look like current Iran, Now With 5000%More Craters!

IIRC, the U.S. developed new bombs in order to penetrate new Iranian bomb shelters, which were (apparently) robust enough to withstand any bombs the U.S. was armed with to date. Moreover, if the Iranians are using these to further their nuclear program, what exactly does Israel plan to do w/o these bombs?(which we won't give them b/c we no want them to attack Iran) It's not like they can stop Iran from developing nukes on their own.

IIRC, the U.S. developed new bombs in order to penetrate new Iranian bomb shelters, which were (apparently) robust enough to withstand any bombs the U.S. was armed with to date. Moreover, if the Iranians are using these to further their nuclear program, what exactly does Israel plan to do w/o these bombs?(which we won't give them b/c we no want them to attack Iran) It's not like they can stop Iran from developing nukes on their own.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well judging by Osirak and Syria (which strategically is a very different situation I know) pretty much nothing. Darkman2007

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Obama won't do anything, Israel is vital to American foreign policy and Obama has been preaisng Israel alot orecently. He has also been trying to appeal to jewish voters recently as well, Obama is probably one of the most pro Hebrew/Jewish politicians there is.

And Israel won't attack Iran, in order to do so they would have to fly over other arab countries (all of whom hate Israelis) without getting shot down, then stop and refuel along the way (again not going to happen as they would be killed), and fly over several no fly-zones. It's not going to happen, so don't worry.

I do hope the Isralis kick the crap out of the Iraninas though. I know they will too if Iran pushes them. The Jews are the victims here once again, not the aggressors.

-Sun_Tzu-

Israel doesn't want to go to war with Iran, Iran wants to go to war with Israel. Israel just wants to be left alone, but Iran is a bully and doesn't want that to happen. It would be a mistake too, Israel would kick their asses so hard they would never try anything again. You don't mess with the chosen people b!tches!

So yes, obviously Israel are the victims. They have less people and a really small country. Plus the Hebrews have been pushed around forever, now they are tired of it and standing up for themselves. And they kick ass when they do. Go IDF!

arabs to each other, "hey! lets all gang up on israel again so they can kick our asses yet again and end up with more territory than they started with for like the 3rd time!"

seriously arabs give it a break already they have the freaking ark of the covenant or something and are just going to break it out and stomp your asses for the umpteenth time.