If Israel tries to attack Iran.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

american foreign aid probably pays for about 10% of your government revenues... and we fight damn wars that costs trillions, in order to protect israel. So i really dont wanna hear crap.

SauceKing

iraq, afghanistan?

what did you think those wars were for?

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] 3 billion meant alot 40 years ago , not now.John_Coffey

I don't understand this line.

3 billion dollars wasn't the sum of aid money 40 years ago.

He means in terms of inflation 3 billion isnt worth that much anymore. Although I dont entirely agree with that sentiment as it is still a considerable sum.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

american foreign aid probably pays for about 10% of your government revenues... and we fight damn wars that costs trillions, in order to protect israel. So i really dont wanna hear crap.

SauceKing

iraq, afghanistan?

what did you think those wars were for?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

american foreign aid probably pays for about 10% of your government revenues... and we fight damn wars that costs trillions, in order to protect israel. So i really dont wanna hear crap.

SauceKing

iraq, afghanistan?

what did you think those wars were for?

american foreign aid probably pays for about 10% of your government revenues... and we fight damn wars that costs trillions, in order to protect israel. So i really dont wanna hear crap.

SauceKing

"Your government"?

We just showed you that foreign aid pays for little less than 3% of governmental spending, and at the current state- it would make for a lower percentage of revenue- as the Israeli government has been accumulating surpluses over the past couple of budget years (unlike, unfortunately, the US).

I'm here mostly to correct gross factual errors, not "give you crap" for anything. Stop being wrong, and I wouldn't have to correct you.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Which war are we fighting to protect Israel?:?LJS9502_basic

iraq, afghanistan?

what did you think those wars were for?

911 happened because we supported israel. YOU need to come back to reality.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

iraq, afghanistan?

what did you think those wars were for?

SauceKing

911 happened because we supported israel. YOU need to come back to reality.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

iraq, afghanistan?

what did you think those wars were for?

SauceKing

911 happened because we supported israel. YOU need to come back to reality.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Iraq....GWB wanted to finish what daddy started and used the WMD as a reason....Afghanistan was where Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were and as they were responsible for 911...there you go. Neither was for Israel. You need to come back to reality. They were done for US interests and US interests alone.LJS9502_basic

911 happened because we supported israel. YOU need to come back to reality.

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

911 happened because we supported israel. YOU need to come back to reality.

SauceKing

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

911 happened because we supported israel. YOU need to come back to reality.

SauceKing

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

They said a lot of things...like Airbases in SA too...so it's not's just Israel as their rationale.

Even then that doesn't mean we are fighting wars for Israel...we are fighting wars because we were attacked. I don't agree with the reasons for war in their totality, but the idea we are fighting these wars on Israel's behalf is absolutely delusional.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

911 happened because we supported israel. YOU need to come back to reality.

SauceKing

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What a simplistic view you have of the world. 911 was not about Israel. It was about the US and what some individuals perceived as meddling in ME interests. But not the Israel issue. Do you read anything substantive or get everything off of biased youtube videos?LJS9502_basic

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

the operatives that planned 911.

are you really gonna purposely be this dense.

they said, they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel... maybe you have a different theory... but im guessing the source probably has better info.

iraq, afghanistan?

what did you think those wars were for?

SauceKing

Instead of dealing with how much of a collaborative incentive the US aid to Israel was in the 9/11 incident- why don't you tell me how going to war over it demands Israeli gratitude.

Or, better, how did these wars benefit Israel?

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What a simplistic view you have of the world. 911 was not about Israel. It was about the US and what some individuals perceived as meddling in ME interests. But not the Israel issue. Do you read anything substantive or get everything off of biased youtube videos?themajormayor

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

Us was attacked because of our support of israel, terrorists made it clear.

im not making any statement other than the facts.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What a simplistic view you have of the world. 911 was not about Israel. It was about the US and what some individuals perceived as meddling in ME interests. But not the Israel issue. Do you read anything substantive or get everything off of biased youtube videos?themajormayor

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

SauceKing

the operatives that planned 911.

are you really gonna purposely be this dense.

they said, they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel... maybe you have a different theory... but im guessing the source probably has better info.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

SauceKing

Us was attacked because of our support of israel, terrorists made it clear.

im not making any statement other than the facts.

Beyond that, you are being dismissive with the facts as 9/11 motives included other things like airbases in SA and sanctions against Iraq (from the first Gulf War, no less..was that for Israel too dummy?). They had their beef with the US with or without US support for Israel.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

iraq, afghanistan?

what did you think those wars were for?

pie-junior

Instead of dealing with how much of a collaborative incentive the US aid to Israel was in the 9/11 incident- why don't you tell me how going to war over it demands Israeli gratitude.

Or, better, how did these wars benefit Israel?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

thats true i should probably read some books instead of listen to the fact, that the 911 hijackers, said they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel.

but why listen to the single source that knows why they attacked on 9111, when i can read yur dumb books or something?

SauceKing

Us was attacked because of our support of israel, terrorists made it clear.

im not making any statement other than the facts.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They said that huh? The hijackers are dead you know.....LJS9502_basic

the operatives that planned 911.

are you really gonna purposely be this dense.

they said, they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel... maybe you have a different theory... but im guessing the source probably has better info.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] So you never want the US to stand up for its views or rights as long as terrorists want them to do otherwise? Like troops stationed in Saudi?themajormayor

Us was attacked because of our support of israel, terrorists made it clear.

im not making any statement other than the facts.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] So you never want the US to stand up for its views or rights as long as terrorists want them to do otherwise? Like troops stationed in Saudi?themajormayor

Us was attacked because of our support of israel, terrorists made it clear.

im not making any statement other than the facts.

the support of israel was their main reason.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

Us was attacked because of our support of israel, terrorists made it clear.

im not making any statement other than the facts.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

the operatives that planned 911.

are you really gonna purposely be this dense.

they said, they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel... maybe you have a different theory... but im guessing the source probably has better info.

SauceKing

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

the operatives that planned 911.

are you really gonna purposely be this dense.

they said, they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel... maybe you have a different theory... but im guessing the source probably has better info.

SauceKing

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

Us was attacked because of our support of israel, terrorists made it clear.

im not making any statement other than the facts.

SauceKing

the support of israel was their main reason.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

the operatives that planned 911.

are you really gonna purposely be this dense.

they said, they attacked on 911 because of our support of israel... maybe you have a different theory... but im guessing the source probably has better info.

SauceKing

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

Us was attacked because of our support of israel, terrorists made it clear.

im not making any statement other than the facts.

LJS9502_basic

yes i saw al queada say they attacked on 911 because of the USAa support of israel.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

Us was attacked because of our support of israel, terrorists made it clear.

im not making any statement other than the facts.

SauceKing

the support of israel was their main reason.

It was a whole Fatima of reasons they had against the US...and they've attacked us in the past over the other things not dealing with Israel...too so you have no ground to stand on to say it wouldn't have happened if not for our support of Israel.

Even then this is all pointless because your logic doesn't even make sense...the motives of the attackers does not mean the US is fighting wars on behalf of Israel. A big part of it was the first Gulf War, and that had NOTHING to do with Israel.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Dense? I'm reading your words. If they are wrong...then they are wrong on your end. Nonetheless, there is much more to the situation than your simplistic and naive assertion that it was over Israel. Even were that true....which it's not.....we are fighting because they attacked us. Not about Israel but about an attack on US soil. Period. Wrap your head around that.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Dense? I'm reading your words. If they are wrong...then they are wrong on your end. Nonetheless, there is much more to the situation than your simplistic and naive assertion that it was over Israel. Even were that true....which it's not.....we are fighting because they attacked us. Not about Israel but about an attack on US soil. Period. Wrap your head around that.Darkman2007

its plausible... but the murderers explicitly stated why they murdered. Why are we pretending there is a better source?

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] They listed several reasons. If USA didn't support Israel it wouldn't have changed anything So why did you bring it up then?themajormayor

the support of israel was their main reason.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"] wrap my head around what? al queda made their intentions pretty clear. But thats right, they all lied and were attacking america for some other reason, right? A reason only you know about... you should probably share your info with the usa government.

SauceKing

its plausible... but the murderers explicitly stated why they murdered.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] how about the fact the US had troops on Saudi soil in the Gulf War ? which caused Bin Laden to declare war on the US how about the fact the US is an ally of the Saudi government, which Al Qaeda opposes how about the fact the US supported the likes of the Mubarak regime and others in the region which Al Qaeda opposes. Im not saying those things are necessarily good or bad things to do , but trust me, Al Qaeda would have found one reason or another to attack the US.Renevent42

its plausible... but the murderers explicitly stated why they murdered.

that didnt happen though. Im sure they had plenty of grievances... but the one was that they stated was the support of israel.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"] wrap my head around what? al queda made their intentions pretty clear. But thats right, they all lied and were attacking america for some other reason, right? A reason only you know about... you should probably share your info with the usa government.

SauceKing

its plausible... but the murderers explicitly stated why they murdered.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"] wrap my head around what? al queda made their intentions pretty clear. But thats right, they all lied and were attacking america for some other reason, right? A reason only you know about... you should probably share your info with the usa government.

SauceKing

its plausible... but the murderers explicitly stated why they murdered.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

its plausible... but the murderers explicitly stated why they murdered.

SauceKing

that didnt happen though. Im sure they had plenty of grievances... but the one was that they stated was the support of israel.

Bin Laden interpreted the Prophet Muhammad as having banned the "permanent presence of infidels in Arabia". In 1996, bin Laden issued a fatwā calling for American troops to get out of Saudi Arabia. In 1998, Al-Qaeda wrote, "for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples." In a December 1999, interview, bin Laden said he felt that Americans were "too near to Mecca", and considered this a provocation to the entire Muslim world. /quote

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] how about the fact the US had troops on Saudi soil in the Gulf War ? which caused Bin Laden to declare war on the US how about the fact the US is an ally of the Saudi government, which Al Qaeda opposes how about the fact the US supported the likes of the Mubarak regime and others in the region which Al Qaeda opposes. Im not saying those things are necessarily good or bad things to do , but trust me, Al Qaeda would have found one reason or another to attack the US.Darkman2007

its plausible... but the murderers explicitly stated why they murdered.

would they have? you seem to have more information than the attackers.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

its plausible... but the murderers explicitly stated why they murdered.

SauceKing

would they have? you seem to have more information than the attackers.

Get a grip already.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

its plausible... but the murderers explicitly stated why they murdered.

SauceKing

would they have? you seem to have more information than the attackers.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] like I said, they had more than one reason , and that was just one of them , they would have attacked you anyways. and you still didn't answer the question posed to you by others : how were the wars against the Taliban and Iraq beneficial to Israel in some way, if anything , they made things worse as they helped the Iranians, not Israel.Darkman2007

would they have? you seem to have more information than the attackers.

how does a democratic and passive iraq not benefit israel? Or was iraq more stable under saddam?

or the peace agreements with egypt and asudi arabia... negotiatiated by the US... none of this helps israel.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]\

would they have? you seem to have more information than the attackers.

SauceKing

how does a democratic and passive iraq not benefit israel? Or was iraq more stable under saddam?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]\

would they have? you seem to have more information than the attackers.

SauceKing

how does a democratic and passive iraq not benefit israel? Or was iraq more stable under saddam?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]\

would they have? you seem to have more information than the attackers.

SauceKing

how does a democratic and passive iraq not benefit israel? Or was iraq more stable under saddam?

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] because I know the nature of such people, and frankly they had more than one reason to attack you, using Israel as an excuse is also a recruiting tool , since pretty much anything Israel related can bring together a crowd chanting "death to the Jews" in alot of the Muslim world but again , how did these wars benefit Israel , youre avoiding the questionLJS9502_basic

how does a democratic and passive iraq not benefit israel? Or was iraq more stable under saddam?

whats my mistake, did we bargain peace treaties with egypt and saudi arbia? gonna throw that into the "was not a threat" category.

ITs childish to keep pretending at this point.

or the peace agreements with egypt and asudi arabia... negotiatiated by the US... none of this helps israel.

SauceKing

Israel is an enemy state of Saudia-arabia.

The Israeli-Egypt peace deal benefited everybody- the Egyptians included. the aid to Israel (and the one to Egypt) are the "rewards" offered to both nations in return.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

how does a democratic and passive iraq not benefit israel? Or was iraq more stable under saddam?

SauceKing

whats my mistake, did we bargain peace treaties with egypt and saudi arbia? gonna throw that into the "was not a threat" category.

ITs childish to keep pretending at this point.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

how does a democratic and passive iraq not benefit israel? Or was iraq more stable under saddam?

SauceKing

whats my mistake, did we bargain peace treaties with egypt and saudi arbia? gonna throw that into the "was not a threat" category.

ITs childish to keep pretending at this point.