If Israel tries to attack Iran.

If Israel attacks Iran, we should defend Iran, they'd have no ability to stand up to Israel, and it'd just be a slaughter. We should break our alliance with them as well, if they were to do so, as well.

I don't think we should officially support Israel in the first place, I'm not sure how it benefits us to do so, they're not a beacon of hope in the region, they seem more like a cause for strife.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I insulted him for the way he phrased his post, I didn't sit there and insult an entire group of people based off of an assumption.

Mind getting off your high horse?

Wasdie

No, it really is.

Ever hear of the term "internet white knight"?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] No, I don't take articles like that and call em legit I look at Youtube videos and pictures Nice trypie-junior

I recommend you guys move on and discuss with other users. He doesn't have anything to offer here by his own admission.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] you could have a thread called "Israel saves fluffy rabbits from forest fire" and get a claim saying it was an evil zionist plot since they plan to send those rabbits into Gaza as Shabak or Mossad agents.Darkman2007

This reminded me of some story about the Israelis using lightly clothed women to distract the pious fighters. Or something like that

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Look I'm going to be honest with you here.....you tend to throw insults quite a bit. You just took another shot at me. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy in your telling someone not to use baseless insults whilst you do the same. That's not a high horse......LJS9502_basic

No, it really is.

Ever hear of the term "internet white knight"?

I wasn't debating him. If I were debating him, I wouldn't have insulted him. The use of an insult always ruins any sort of point a person is trying to make.

Apparently you never see me arguing in System Wars. That's where I really do my debating. It's not even worth arguing in OT. I've pretty much given up here.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No, it really is.

Ever hear of the term "internet white knight"?

Wasdie

Apparently you never see me arguing in System Wars. It's not even worth arguing in OT.

:|

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] The only territory they conquered was was as a result of a war, a war started by 3 arab countries against them. You don't seem to know much about the history here. The "conquering" happened long before the peace talks we're talking about. Darkman2007

no, israeli forces are still taking territory today.

either way whats your point? pull all foreign aid to israel and see what they can do on their own?

im all for that..

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

no, israeli forces are still taking territory today.

either way whats your point? pull all foreign aid to israel and see what they can do on their own?

im all for that..

SauceKing

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Im all for that, the 3 billion a year Israel gets doesn't help it, its about 2-3% of the total government budget , so its frankly not needed. at the same time, the US is using that as a leverage to try and stop Israel from selling weapons technology to the Chinese and Indians (and it did block them a few times before). it will also take away the excuse of "we fund Israel" that alot Americans seem to like using, although Im sure some will just invent another one instead.themajormayor

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No, it really is.

Ever hear of the term "internet white knight"?

Wasdie

I wasn't debating him. If I were debating him, I wouldn't have insulted him. The use of an insult always ruins any sort of point a person is trying to make.

Apparently you never see me arguing in System Wars. That's where I really do my debating. It's not even worth arguing in OT. I've pretty much given up here.

i agree with your view on insults, but you are also the worste debater on these forums. And have some of the most terrible understanding of economics and politics... you should just stick to modding man.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

no, israeli forces are still taking territory today.

either way whats your point? pull all foreign aid to israel and see what they can do on their own?

im all for that..

SauceKing

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

I believe he meant GDP rather than budget which sounds about right as Israel is a relatively developed economy and one that is (despite its problems militarily and through other means) performing quite well. Anyway the US aid is spent on american equipment anyway which is a win-win for the US.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Wasdie I have no particular issue with you on a personal level. But your debating tactics have often employed insults. And if you wish to be that kind of debater that's fine....just don't call others out if they fit that same mold. All I'm saying. Now you can get back to your regularly scheduled debating style. I made my point. Whether you listen to me or not is up to you. But it cheapens an otherwise good argument to use those tactics. If others were employing those tactics....I'd understand...but they aren't. SauceKing

I wasn't debating him. If I were debating him, I wouldn't have insulted him. The use of an insult always ruins any sort of point a person is trying to make.

Apparently you never see me arguing in System Wars. That's where I really do my debating. It's not even worth arguing in OT. I've pretty much given up here.

i agree with your view on insults, but you are also the worste debater on these forums. And have some of the most terrible understanding of economics and politics... you should just stick to modding man.

Oh, becuase you disagree with what I say makes me have a terrible understanding. Right?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

no, israeli forces are still taking territory today.

either way whats your point? pull all foreign aid to israel and see what they can do on their own?

im all for that..

SauceKing

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Im all for that, the 3 billion a year Israel gets doesn't help it, its about 2-3% of the total government budget , so its frankly not needed. at the same time, the US is using that as a leverage to try and stop Israel from selling weapons technology to the Chinese and Indians (and it did block them a few times before). it will also take away the excuse of "we fund Israel" that alot Americans seem to like using, although Im sure some will just invent another one instead.themajormayor

so is this the point where you make me provide links showing you are obviously wrong? or will you just admit it?

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Im all for that, the 3 billion a year Israel gets doesn't help it, its about 2-3% of the total government budget , so its frankly not needed. at the same time, the US is using that as a leverage to try and stop Israel from selling weapons technology to the Chinese and Indians (and it did block them a few times before). it will also take away the excuse of "we fund Israel" that alot Americans seem to like using, although Im sure some will just invent another one instead.Darkman2007

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Im all for that, the 3 billion a year Israel gets doesn't help it, its about 2-3% of the total government budget , so its frankly not needed. at the same time, the US is using that as a leverage to try and stop Israel from selling weapons technology to the Chinese and Indians (and it did block them a few times before). it will also take away the excuse of "we fund Israel" that alot Americans seem to like using, although Im sure some will just invent another one instead.John_Coffey

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

I believe he meant GDP rather than budget which sounds about right as Israel is a relatively developed economy and one that is (despite its problems militarily and through other means) performing quite well. Anyway the US aid is spent on american equipment anyway which is a win-win for the US.

100 billion dollars for government budget , so its government budget, if it was by GDP (which is 235 billion dollars, ironically putting Israel ahead of Denmark) it would be even less

not that Im saying its not helping at all , any amount of money is helpful , but people seem to think Israel will suddenly implode on itself the moment the US takes that 3 billion away.

maybe they still think Israel is stuck in 1955 when that money meant something.

[QUOTE="John_Coffey"]

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

Darkman2007

I believe he meant GDP rather than budget which sounds about right as Israel is a relatively developed economy and one that is (despite its problems militarily and through other means) performing quite well. Anyway the US aid is spent on american equipment anyway which is a win-win for the US.

100 billion dollars for government budget , so its government budget, if it was by GDP (which is 235 billion dollars, ironically putting Israel ahead of Denmark) it would be even less

Fair enough I stand corrected.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Im all for that, the 3 billion a year Israel gets doesn't help it, its about 2-3% of the total government budget , so its frankly not needed. at the same time, the US is using that as a leverage to try and stop Israel from selling weapons technology to the Chinese and Indians (and it did block them a few times before). it will also take away the excuse of "we fund Israel" that alot Americans seem to like using, although Im sure some will just invent another one instead.Darkman2007

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

wait 3 billion is around 2-3% of the government spending budget..... so thats 300 billion on the very low end....

[QUOTE="John_Coffey"]

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

Darkman2007

I believe he meant GDP rather than budget which sounds about right as Israel is a relatively developed economy and one that is (despite its problems militarily and through other means) performing quite well. Anyway the US aid is spent on american equipment anyway which is a win-win for the US.

100 billion dollars for government budget , so its government budget, if it was by GDP (which is 235 billion dollars, ironically putting Israel ahead of Denmark) it would be even less

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

no, israeli forces are still taking territory today.

either way whats your point? pull all foreign aid to israel and see what they can do on their own?

im all for that..

SauceKing

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

It's not difficult to find online that ,per the Israeli bi-yearly budget of 2011-2012, the 2012 yearly sum stands on ~400 billion NIS which is a ~105 billion dollars at the current exchange rate- and that 3 billion $ are a little less than 3% of the budget. your math is off.

That's a substantial amount of money, unlike what darkman seems to think- and you so easily accepted, however.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

SauceKing

wait 3 billion is around 2-3% of the government spending budget..... so thats 300 billion on the very low end....

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

SauceKing

wait 3 billion is around 2-3% of the government spending budget..... so thats 300 billion on the very low end....

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="John_Coffey"]

I believe he meant GDP rather than budget which sounds about right as Israel is a relatively developed economy and one that is (despite its problems militarily and through other means) performing quite well. Anyway the US aid is spent on american equipment anyway which is a win-win for the US.

John_Coffey

100 billion dollars for government budget , so its government budget, if it was by GDP (which is 235 billion dollars, ironically putting Israel ahead of Denmark) it would be even less

Fair enough I stand corrected.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

SauceKing

wait 3 billion is around 2-3% of the government spending budget..... so thats 300 billion on the very low end....

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Im all for that, the 3 billion a year Israel gets doesn't help it, its about 2-3% of the total government budget , so its frankly not needed. at the same time, the US is using that as a leverage to try and stop Israel from selling weapons technology to the Chinese and Indians (and it did block them a few times before). it will also take away the excuse of "we fund Israel" that alot Americans seem to like using, although Im sure some will just invent another one instead.pie-junior

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

It's not difficult to find online that ,per the Israeli bi-yearly budget of 2011-2012, the 2012 yearly sum stands on ~400 billion NIS which is a ~105 billion dollars at the current exchange rate- and that 3 billion $ are a little less than 3% of the budget. your math is off.

That's a substantial amount of money, unlike what darkman seems to think- and you so easily accepted, however.

i accepted nothing!

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] www.haaretz.com/news/national/knesset-passes-2011-12-budget-1.334135 no , its around 100 billion dollars now, so 3 billion is around 3%. youre talking about fantasy land, but if you honestly think the US is keeping Israel afloat , you are yourself in a fantasy land.Darkman2007

wait 3 billion is around 2-3% of the government spending budget..... so thats 300 billion on the very low end....

not like it matters nayhow

www.haaretz.com/news/national/knesset-passes-2011-12-budget-1.334135 no , its around 100 billion dollars now, so 3 billion is around 3%. youre talking about fantasy land, but if you honestly think the US is keeping Israel afloat , you are yourself in a fantasy land.Darkman2007

wait 3 billion is around 2-3% of the government spending budget..... so thats 300 billion on the very low end....

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

SauceKing

It's not difficult to find online that ,per the Israeli bi-yearly budget of 2011-2012, the 2012 yearly sum stands on ~400 billion NIS which is a ~105 billion dollars at the current exchange rate- and that 3 billion $ are a little less than 3% of the budget. your math is off.

That's a substantial amount of money, unlike what darkman seems to think- and you so easily accepted, however.

i accepted nothing!

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Im all for that, the 3 billion a year Israel gets doesn't help it, its about 2-3% of the total government budget , so its frankly not needed. at the same time, the US is using that as a leverage to try and stop Israel from selling weapons technology to the Chinese and Indians (and it did block them a few times before). it will also take away the excuse of "we fund Israel" that alot Americans seem to like using, although Im sure some will just invent another one instead.pie-junior

really 3 billion a year is about 2-3% of your annual government budget? so 300 billion a year is the government budget of israel? God i wonder what their GDP is... probably bigger than the USA.

man i wish i lived in fantasy land.

It's not difficult to find online that ,per the Israeli bi-yearly budget of 2011-2012, the 2012 yearly sum stands on ~400 billion NIS which is a ~105 billion dollars at the current exchange rate- and that 3 billion $ are a little less than 3% of the budget. your math is off.

That's a substantial amount of money, unlike what darkman seems to think- and you so easily accepted, however.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

wait 3 billion is around 2-3% of the government spending budget..... so thats 300 billion on the very low end....

SauceKing

not like it matters nayhow

and yet if it doesnt matter, why do you bring it up? so it does matter to you, on at least some level.

you don't hear me complaining about US aircraft carriers in Haifa for the same reason

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

wait 3 billion is around 2-3% of the government spending budget..... so thats 300 billion on the very low end....

SauceKing

not like it matters nayhow

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I said 3% , not 1%.LJS9502_basic

not like it matters nayhow

not entirely sure of the favors i need... here

im correct.

foreing aid to israel is a huge part of their economy.... is someone arguing otherwise?

3 billion meant alot 40 years ago , not now.Darkman2007

I don't understand this line.

3 billion dollars wasn't the sum of aid money 40 years ago.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

not like it matters nayhow

SauceKing

not entirely sure of the favors i need... here

im correct.

foreing aid to israel is a huge part of their economy.... is someone arguing otherwise?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

not like it matters nayhow

SauceKing

not entirely sure of the favors i need... here

im correct.

foreing aid to israel is a huge part of their economy.... is someone arguing otherwise?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] 3 billion meant alot 40 years ago , not now.pie-junior

I don't understand this line.

3 billion dollars wasn't the sum of aid money 40 years ago.

He means in terms of inflation 3 billion isnt worth that much anymore. Although I dont entirely agree with that sentiment as it is still a considerable sum.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You aren't doing yourself any favors here....themajormayor

not entirely sure of the favors i need... here

im correct.

foreing aid to israel is a huge part of their economy.... is someone arguing otherwise?

what?

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] 3 billion meant alot 40 years ago , not now.John_Coffey

I don't understand this line.

3 billion dollars wasn't the sum of aid money 40 years ago.

He means in terms of inflation 3 billion isnt worth that much anymore. Although I dont entirely agree with that sentiment as it is still a considerable sum.

im correct.

foreing aid to israel is a huge part of their economy.... is someone arguing otherwise?

SauceKing

Of the economy?- no. The aid is almost purely diverted to military purposes, and holds an obligation to spend it on american military equipment- effectively making it a subsidies program for american weapon manufacturers.

The Israeli economy is not dependent on american aid; but to the government and the IDF- it's a substantial sum (as in- it's noticeable, and would probably cause cutting in programs from the IDF and other gov avenues ).

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

not entirely sure of the favors i need... here

im correct.

foreing aid to israel is a huge part of their economy.... is someone arguing otherwise?

SauceKing

what?

[QUOTE="John_Coffey"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

I don't understand this line.

3 billion dollars wasn't the sum of aid money 40 years ago.

themajormayor

He means in terms of inflation 3 billion isnt worth that much anymore. Although I dont entirely agree with that sentiment as it is still a considerable sum.

whats the taxes to GDP in israel?

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] 3 billion meant alot 40 years ago , not now.John_Coffey

I don't understand this line.

3 billion dollars wasn't the sum of aid money 40 years ago.

He means in terms of inflation 3 billion isnt worth that much anymore. Although I dont entirely agree with that sentiment as it is still a considerable sum.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="John_Coffey"]

He means in terms of inflation 3 billion isnt worth that much anymore. Although I dont entirely agree with that sentiment as it is still a considerable sum.

SauceKing

whats the taxes to GDP in israel?

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

im correct.

foreing aid to israel is a huge part of their economy.... is someone arguing otherwise?

pie-junior

Of the economy?- no. The aid is almost purely diverted to military purposes, and holds an obligation to spend it on american military equipment- effectively making it a subsidies program for american weapon manufacturers.

The Israeli economy is not dependent on american aid; but to the government and the IDF- it's a substantial sum (as in- it's noticeable, and would probably cause cutting in programs from the IDF and other gov avenues ).

american foreign aid probably pays for about 10% of your government revenues... and we fight damn wars that costs trillions, in order to protect israel. So i really dont wanna hear crap.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] He's right though, those 3 billion are far from make or break for Israel. Sure it helps but then what about alternative cost of not being able to sell to China and India(I think it was India anyway). Not to mention I think the arab states hostility does ALOT more economic damage than 3 billionthemajormayor

whats the taxes to GDP in israel?

because thats how economics work.... revenue vs gdp.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

im correct.

foreing aid to israel is a huge part of their economy.... is someone arguing otherwise?

SauceKing

Of the economy?- no. The aid is almost purely diverted to military purposes, and holds an obligation to spend it on american military equipment- effectively making it a subsidies program for american weapon manufacturers.

The Israeli economy is not dependent on american aid; but to the government and the IDF- it's a substantial sum (as in- it's noticeable, and would probably cause cutting in programs from the IDF and other gov avenues ).

american foreign aid probably pays for about 10% of your government revenues... and we fight damn wars that costs trillions, in order to protect israel. So i really dont wanna hear crap.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

im correct.

foreing aid to israel is a huge part of their economy.... is someone arguing otherwise?

SauceKing

Of the economy?- no. The aid is almost purely diverted to military purposes, and holds an obligation to spend it on american military equipment- effectively making it a subsidies program for american weapon manufacturers.

The Israeli economy is not dependent on american aid; but to the government and the IDF- it's a substantial sum (as in- it's noticeable, and would probably cause cutting in programs from the IDF and other gov avenues ).

american foreign aid probably pays for about 10% of your government revenues... and we fight damn wars that costs trillions, in order to protect israel. So i really dont wanna hear crap.

[QUOTE="SauceKing"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

Of the economy?- no. The aid is almost purely diverted to military purposes, and holds an obligation to spend it on american military equipment- effectively making it a subsidies program for american weapon manufacturers.

The Israeli economy is not dependent on american aid; but to the government and the IDF- it's a substantial sum (as in- it's noticeable, and would probably cause cutting in programs from the IDF and other gov avenues ).

LJS9502_basic

american foreign aid probably pays for about 10% of your government revenues... and we fight damn wars that costs trillions, in order to protect israel. So i really dont wanna hear crap.

iraq, afghanistan?

what did you think those wars were for?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SauceKing"]

whats the taxes to GDP in israel?

SauceKing

because thats how economics work.... revenue vs gdp.