If Israel tries to attack Iran.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

IIRC, the U.S. developed new bombs in order to penetrate new Iranian bomb shelters, which were (apparently) robust enough to withstand any bombs the U.S. was armed with to date. Moreover, if the Iranians are using these to further their nuclear program, what exactly does Israel plan to do w/o these bombs?(which we won't give them b/c we no want them to attack Iran) It's not like they can stop Iran from developing nukes on their own.

Darkman2007

LOL, you're a funny guy.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Except for the mullahs having new found popularity thanks to the foreign attack, which would severely stifle any hopes for democratic reforms in the country. Not only that but a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities is not a permanent solution - it would only delay their nuclear program. And then a few years down the road we'll all find ourselves in the same exact situation, except then there probably would be much less domestic opposition to the Iranian regime (which really is the only viable long term solution to the Iranian problem). -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

IIRC, the U.S. developed new bombs in order to penetrate new Iranian bomb shelters, which were (apparently) robust enough to withstand any bombs the U.S. was armed with to date. Moreover, if the Iranians are using these to further their nuclear program, what exactly does Israel plan to do w/o these bombs?(which we won't give them b/c we no want them to attack Iran) It's not like they can stop Iran from developing nukes on their own.

coolbeans90

LOL, you're a funny guy.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

IIRC, the U.S. developed new bombs in order to penetrate new Iranian bomb shelters, which were (apparently) robust enough to withstand any bombs the U.S. was armed with to date. Moreover, if the Iranians are using these to further their nuclear program, what exactly does Israel plan to do w/o these bombs?(which we won't give them b/c we no want them to attack Iran) It's not like they can stop Iran from developing nukes on their own.

coolbeans90

LOL, you're a funny guy.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Israel has its own very competent defence industry, who knows what kind of stuff none of us are getting told regarding what weapons are being developed.themajormayor

LOL, you're a funny guy.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

LOL, you're a funny guy.

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Israel has its own very competent defence industry, who knows what kind of stuff none of us are getting told regarding what weapons are being developed.Darkman2007

LOL, you're a funny guy.

I'm p. sure Israel doesn't have any aircraft capable of transporting bomb the weight of the MOP. (we have two, the billion dollar B2, and the B52) Considering that Israel uses antiquated military hardware for its airforce. I'ma stick with my initial reaction: LOL

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

LOL, you're a funny guy.

coolbeans90

I'm p. sure Israel doesn't have any aircraft capable of transporting bomb the weight of the MOP. (we have two, the billion dollar B2, and the B52) Considering that Israel uses antiquated military hardware for its airforce. I'ma stick with my initial reaction: LOL

Wtf??

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

LOL, you're a funny guy.

coolbeans90

I'm p. sure Israel doesn't have any aircraft capable of transporting bomb the weight of the MOP. (we have two, the billion dollar B2, and the B52) Considering that Israel uses antiquated military hardware for its airforce. I'ma stick with my initial reaction: LOL

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] not really, Im quite serious, do you have any idea what weapons are being developed to counter the threat from the Iranians? I don't think so.themajormayor

I'm p. sure Israel doesn't have any aircraft capable of transporting bomb the weight of the MOP. (we have two, the billion dollar B2, and the B52) Considering that Israel uses antiquated military hardware for its airforce. I'ma stick with my initial reaction: LOL

Wtf??

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] what makes you think its going to be all that different , Israel destroyed Syria's reactor, and its not as though Assad is popular these days.Darkman2007

There's quite a lot of room between bombing Iran and doing nothing. Diplomacy, sanctions, and yes, waiting for the inevitable Iranian public uprising does not amount to doing "nothing." Whereas bombing Iran would be incredibly counterproductive. Diplomacy with the Iranians would become that much harder, it'd be more difficult to get international support for effective sanctions, and the chances of a democratic revolution would become much slimmer. And for what? Bombings are not a solution, they will only delay, and then a few years from now we'll be in the same situation that we are in now, only now with less (or worse) options on the table.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm p. sure Israel doesn't have any aircraft capable of transporting bomb the weight of the MOP. (we have two, the billion dollar B2, and the B52) Considering that Israel uses antiquated military hardware for its airforce. I'ma stick with my initial reaction: LOL

MrPraline

Wtf??

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] not really, Im quite serious, do you have any idea what weapons are being developed to counter the threat from the Iranians? I don't think so.themajormayor

I'm p. sure Israel doesn't have any aircraft capable of transporting bomb the weight of the MOP. (we have two, the billion dollar B2, and the B52) Considering that Israel uses antiquated military hardware for its airforce. I'ma stick with my initial reaction: LOL

Wtf??

You know, stuff we used in the cold war we sell off to Israel.

For instance, their fighter aricraft were initially designed and first flown in the 60s, 70s and most recently mid-80s.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] not really, Im quite serious, do you have any idea what weapons are being developed to counter the threat from the Iranians? I don't think so.Darkman2007

I'm p. sure Israel doesn't have any aircraft capable of transporting bomb the weight of the MOP. (we have two, the billion dollar B2, and the B52) Considering that Israel uses antiquated military hardware for its airforce. I'ma stick with my initial reaction: LOL

Yes, their air force primarily comprises of fighters designed in the cold war era, 30+ years ago. AND PARTICULAR WEIGHT OF WEAPONS MATTER. It takes a lot of ordinance to break through dozens of feet of concrete and frankly their arsenal does not cut it. And I doubt that, considering they receive as much of their aerial hardware from us as they do, they don't have a full-scale, modernized heavy aerial ordinance industry the way the U.S. does.

Point being: LOL

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm p. sure Israel doesn't have any aircraft capable of transporting bomb the weight of the MOP. (we have two, the billion dollar B2, and the B52) Considering that Israel uses antiquated military hardware for its airforce. I'ma stick with my initial reaction: LOL

coolbeans90

Wtf??

You know, stuff we used in the cold war we sell off to Israel.

For instance, their fighter aricraft were initially designed and first flown in the 60s, 70s and mid-80s.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm p. sure Israel doesn't have any aircraft capable of transporting bomb the weight of the MOP. (we have two, the billion dollar B2, and the B52) Considering that Israel uses antiquated military hardware for its airforce. I'ma stick with my initial reaction: LOL

coolbeans90

Wtf??

You know, stuff we used in the cold war we sell off to Israel.

For instance, their fighter aricraft were initially designed and first flown in the 60s, 70s and mid-80s.

Also Israel is already confirmed to get some F-35

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Obama won't do anything, Israel is vital to American foreign policy and Obama has been preaisng Israel alot orecently. He has also been trying to appeal to jewish voters recently as well, Obama is probably one of the most pro Hebrew/Jewish politicians there is.

And Israel won't attack Iran, in order to do so they would have to fly over other arab countries (all of whom hate Israelis) without getting shot down, then stop and refuel along the way (again not going to happen as they would be killed), and fly over several no fly-zones. It's not going to happen, so don't worry.

I do hope the Isralis kick the crap out of the Iraninas though. I know they will too if Iran pushes them. The Jews are the victims here once again, not the aggressors.

ShadowMoses900

Israel doesn't want to go to war with Iran, Iran wants to go to war with Israel. Israel just wants to be left alone, but Iran is a bully and doesn't want that to happen. It would be a mistake too, Israel would kick their asses so hard they would never try anything again. You don't mess with the chosen people b!tches!

So yes, obviously Israel are the victims. They have less people and a really small country. Plus the Hebrews have been pushed around forever, now they are tired of it and standing up for themselves. And they kick ass when they do. Go IDF!

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The politics of Syria are very different than that of Iran. Assad is a shiite in a predominantly sunni country. Where as Iran is a overwhelmingly Shiite country that is ruled by a Shiite clerical regime. When a country gets attacked by a foreign state, the government of that country more often than not gets a huge boost in popularity. Look at FDR after Pearl Harbor, George Bush after 9/11, and even Iran in 1979. When Khomeini first got into power he was not the most popular guy in the world. He had just finished hijacking what was a secular revolution and stifled the original democratic goals of said revolution. But then Saddam attacked and that proved to solidify Khomeini as the leader of Iran, precisely because of the Iraqi invasion.

-Sun_Tzu-

There's quite a lot of room between bombing Iran and doing nothing. Diplomacy, sanctions, and yes, waiting for the inevitable Iranian public uprising does not amount to doing "nothing." Whereas bombing Iran would be incredibly counterproductive. Diplomacy with the Iranians would become that much harder, it'd be more difficult to get international support for effective sanctions, and the chances of a democratic revolution would become much slimmer. And for what? Bombings are not a solution, they will only delay, and then a few years from now we'll be in the same situation that we are in now, only now with less (or worse) options on the table.

Israel is the only true Demcoracy in the ME, anyone who supports Freedom and Democracy supports Israel and it's right to exist.

Israel is the only true Demcoracy in the ME, anyone who supports Freedom and Democracy supports Israel and it's right to exist.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] the problem is that the alternative is the "lets do nothing" approach , and that doesn't work at all , what youre essentially telling me to do is "wait to see wheter or not the Iranian opposition can lynch Khamenai and Ahmadinajad" , and that is pretty stupid I have to say.ShadowMoses900

There's quite a lot of room between bombing Iran and doing nothing. Diplomacy, sanctions, and yes, waiting for the inevitable Iranian public uprising does not amount to doing "nothing." Whereas bombing Iran would be incredibly counterproductive. Diplomacy with the Iranians would become that much harder, it'd be more difficult to get international support for effective sanctions, and the chances of a democratic revolution would become much slimmer. And for what? Bombings are not a solution, they will only delay, and then a few years from now we'll be in the same situation that we are in now, only now with less (or worse) options on the table.

Israel is the only true Demcoracy in the ME, anyone who supports Freedom and Democracy supports Israel and it's right to exist.

"Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom."-John F. KennedyThe Democrat that is the inspiration for many liberals in this country knows the truth.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I think it's pretty obvious that the Iranian people (not the mullahs) are the victims, not Israel. -Sun_Tzu-

Israel doesn't want to go to war with Iran, Iran wants to go to war with Israel. Israel just wants to be left alone, but Iran is a bully and doesn't want that to happen. It would be a mistake too, Israel would kick their asses so hard they would never try anything again. You don't mess with the chosen people b!tches!

So yes, obviously Israel are the victims. They have less people and a really small country. Plus the Hebrews have been pushed around forever, now they are tired of it and standing up for themselves. And they kick ass when they do. Go IDF!

Israel doesn't torture or rape anyone, are you Jewish? So am I, only difference is that I'm not a self hating Jew like you. And there is tear gas is non lethal and is only used when things turn violent, they don't use them on innocent civilains.

Long Live Israel! May Solomon's Wisdon Bless Them!

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Israel doesn't want to go to war with Iran, Iran wants to go to war with Israel. Israel just wants to be left alone, but Iran is a bully and doesn't want that to happen. It would be a mistake too, Israel would kick their asses so hard they would never try anything again. You don't mess with the chosen people b!tches!

So yes, obviously Israel are the victims. They have less people and a really small country. Plus the Hebrews have been pushed around forever, now they are tired of it and standing up for themselves. And they kick ass when they do. Go IDF!

ShadowMoses900

Israel doesn't torture or rape anyone, are you Jewish? So am I, only difference is that I'm not a self hating Jew like you. And there is tear gas is non lethal and is only used when things turn violent, they don't use them on innocent civilains.

Long Live Israel! May Solomon's Wisdon Bless Them!

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Wtf??

Darkman2007

You know, stuff we used in the cold war we sell off to Israel.

For instance, their fighter aricraft were initially designed and first flown in the 60s, 70s and mid-80s.

It's cute that they replaced the electronics systems, but the point is they do not possess anything approaching what we could call a mature aerial weapons industry.

-Israel does not have a modern weapons industry, they are using old, albeit slightly modified, U.S. hardware.

-They are probably not developing cutting-edge weaponry, considering that they primarily utilize our weaponry.

-They do not have the capacity to transport weapons capable of destroying the bunker.

Hence my reaction: LOL

And you for one shouldn't saying others is a disgrace to the Jewish people.themajormayor

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Look, this is a situation where there are no good solutions. But in a worst case scenario where Iran does actually acquire nuclear weapons, they are not going to use them to purposefully start a nuclear war with Iran. Much worse dictators who were much more psychotic and irrational than Khamenei could ever be have had nuclear arsenals, and they never started a nuclear war. The real danger with Iran having nuclear weapons (aside from the logistical concerns about whether or not Iran/Israel can avoid a false alarm triggering a nuclear war) is that it can then use it as blackmail to prevent the rest of the world from stopping Iranian aggression against neighboring countries. The biggest mistake Saddam said he ever made was invading Kuwait before acquiring a nuclear arsenal, rather than trying to after, because it's much more difficult to engage a nuclear power.

There's quite a lot of room between bombing Iran and doing nothing. Diplomacy, sanctions, and yes, waiting for the inevitable Iranian public uprising does not amount to doing "nothing." Whereas bombing Iran would be incredibly counterproductive. Diplomacy with the Iranians would become that much harder, it'd be more difficult to get international support for effective sanctions, and the chances of a democratic revolution would become much slimmer. And for what? Bombings are not a solution, they will only delay, and then a few years from now we'll be in the same situation that we are in now, only now with less (or worse) options on the table.

-Sun_Tzu-

Israel is the only true Demcoracy in the ME, anyone who supports Freedom and Democracy supports Israel and it's right to exist.

"Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom."-John F. KennedyThe Democrat that is the inspiration for many liberals in this country knows the truth.

Do the Israeli people get tear gassed when participating in public demonstrations? Are they victims of torture and rape by the hands of their government? Do they suffer from crippling economic sanctions? Are they unable to properly elect their own leaders and instead have to go along with rigged elections? Please stop with the chauvinistic BS. You are a disgrace to our people. -Sun_Tzu-

Israel doesn't torture or rape anyone, are you Jewish? So am I, only difference is that I'm not a self hating Jew like you. And there is tear gas is non lethal and is only used when things turn violent, they don't use them on innocent civilains.

Long Live Israel! May Solomon's Wisdon Bless Them!

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]And you for one shouldn't saying others is a disgrace to the Jewish people.MrPraline

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

You know, stuff we used in the cold war we sell off to Israel.

For instance, their fighter aricraft were initially designed and first flown in the 60s, 70s and mid-80s.

coolbeans90

It's cute that they replaced the electronics systems, but the point is they do not possess anything approaching what we could call a mature aerial weapons industry.

-Israel does not have a modern weapons industry, they are using old, albeit slightly modified, U.S. hardware.

-They are probably not developing cutting-edge weaponry, considering that they primarily utilize our weaponry.

-They do not have the capacity to transport weapons capable of destroying the bunker.

Hence my reaction: LOL

1) what do you mean , not having a modern weapons systems? I can assure its more than competent.

2) which weapons would those be (unless if youre only focusing on the air force, which is something else)

3) never mentioned anything about that particular weapon.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Look, this is a situation where there are no good solutions. But in a worst case scenario where Iran does actually acquire nuclear weapons, they are not going to use them to purposefully start a nuclear war with Iran. Much worse dictators who were much more psychotic and irrational than Khamenei could ever be have had nuclear arsenals, and they never started a nuclear war. The real danger with Iran having nuclear weapons (aside from the logistical concerns about whether or not Iran/Israel can avoid a false alarm triggering a nuclear war) is that it can then use it as blackmail to prevent the rest of the world from stopping Iranian aggression against neighboring countries. The biggest mistake Saddam said he ever made was invading Kuwait before acquiring a nuclear arsenal, rather than trying to after, because it's much more difficult to engage a nuclear power.

There's quite a lot of room between bombing Iran and doing nothing. Diplomacy, sanctions, and yes, waiting for the inevitable Iranian public uprising does not amount to doing "nothing." Whereas bombing Iran would be incredibly counterproductive. Diplomacy with the Iranians would become that much harder, it'd be more difficult to get international support for effective sanctions, and the chances of a democratic revolution would become much slimmer. And for what? Bombings are not a solution, they will only delay, and then a few years from now we'll be in the same situation that we are in now, only now with less (or worse) options on the table.

-Sun_Tzu-

Israel is the only true Demcoracy in the ME, anyone who supports Freedom and Democracy supports Israel and it's right to exist.

"Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom."-John F. KennedyThe Democrat that is the inspiration for many liberals in this country knows the truth.

Good, for a second there I thought you were a Boged or a Mamzer.

Eventually what I would like to see happen is Israel's influence of freedom and Democracy spread throughout the ME and cause revolutions just like Egypt and Syria in all those countries and to become free, then become allies with Israel like any other freedom loving people would.Egypt is now a Democracy and they are allies with Israel, people that value Freedom become friends with other people that value Freedom.

As it says in The Bible: "Each shall seek it's own kind"

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

You know, stuff we used in the cold war we sell off to Israel.

For instance, their fighter aricraft were initially designed and first flown in the 60s, 70s and mid-80s.

coolbeans90

It's cute that they replaced the electronics systems, but the point is they do not possess anything approaching what we could call a mature aerial weapons industry.

-Israel does not have a modern weapons industry, they are using old, albeit slightly modified, U.S. hardware.

-They are probably not developing cutting-edge weaponry, considering that they primarily utilize our weaponry.

-They do not have the capacity to transport weapons capable of destroying the bunker.

Hence my reaction: LOL

Then neither does USA except the F-22.

- Just like the US

- Yup the rafael industries and IWI. There are many countrie in the world including the US which utilize Israeli weaponry.

- This one I don't know of but I'll lok into it.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Wtf??

themajormayor

You know, stuff we used in the cold war we sell off to Israel.

For instance, their fighter aricraft were initially designed and first flown in the 60s, 70s and mid-80s.

Also Israel is already confirmed to get some F-35

For one, we have a modern Bomber introduced in the 90s, which is capable of evading radar systems (Iranians have high-tech anti-aircraft weaponry from the Russians, you see) AND capable of transporting/delivering this bomb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]And you for one shouldn't saying others is a disgrace to the Jewish people.themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

You know, stuff we used in the cold war we sell off to Israel.

For instance, their fighter aricraft were initially designed and first flown in the 60s, 70s and mid-80s.

coolbeans90

Also Israel is already confirmed to get some F-35

For one, we have a modern Bomber introduced in the 90s, which is capable of evading radar systems (Iranians have high-tech anti-aircraft weaponry from the Russians, you see) AND capable of transporting/delivering this bomb.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Israel's main fighter jet is the F15E and F16 (mostly F16I and F16C, but essentially all of the internal systems are replaced by Israel with its own systems, its not as simple youre painting it. just because the outer shell is the same , doesn't mean the jet fighter is the same.themajormayor

It's cute that they replaced the electronics systems, but the point is they do not possess anything approaching what we could call a mature aerial weapons industry.

-Israel does not have a modern weapons industry, they are using old, albeit slightly modified, U.S. hardware.

-They are probably not developing cutting-edge weaponry, considering that they primarily utilize our weaponry.

-They do not have the capacity to transport weapons capable of destroying the bunker.

Hence my reaction: LOL

Then neither does USA except the F-22. [factually incorrect]

- Just like the US [LOL, we use old hardware for routine sh*t and use mult-billion stealth bombers for the kind of purpose at the hand of this discussion]

- Yup the rafael industries and IWI. There are many countrie in the world including the US which utilize Israeli weaponry.

- This one I don't know of but I'll lok into it. [I'll save you the time; unless they retrofit a 707, they don't]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] And the US is still using them too. The only fighter aircraft I can find not from the that time in the US air force is the F-22 which is pretty new and will probably be sold to Israel soon

Also Israel is already confirmed to get some F-35

themajormayor

For one, we have a modern Bomber introduced in the 90s, which is capable of evading radar systems (Iranians have high-tech anti-aircraft weaponry from the Russians, you see) AND capable of transporting/delivering this bomb.

We've already gone over fighter aircraft. F-22s and F-35s. Now I'm returning to the topic at hand: Israel's (non-existent) capacity to cripple Iran's nuclear from air.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Israel doesn't want to go to war with Iran, Iran wants to go to war with Israel. Israel just wants to be left alone, but Iran is a bully and doesn't want that to happen. It would be a mistake too, Israel would kick their asses so hard they would never try anything again. You don't mess with the chosen people b!tches!

So yes, obviously Israel are the victims. They have less people and a really small country. Plus the Hebrews have been pushed around forever, now they are tired of it and standing up for themselves. And they kick ass when they do. Go IDF!

ShadowMoses900

Israel doesn't torture or rape anyone, are you Jewish? So am I, only difference is that I'm not a self hating Jew like you. And there is tear gas is non lethal and is only used when things turn violent, they don't use them on innocent civilains.

Long Live Israel! May Solomon's Wisdon Bless Them!

arabs to each other, "hey! lets all gang up on israel again so they can kick our asses yet again and end up with more territory than they started with for like the 3rd time!"

seriously arabs give it a break already they have the freaking ark of the covenant or something and are just going to break it out and stomp your asses for the umpteenth time.

Riverwolf007

If you have no clue what you are talking about maybe it's best you dont say anything, huh?

3) never mentioned anything about that particular weapon.

Darkman2007

You said Israel could be developing weapons to deal with the deep, reinforced bunkers. This necessitates heavy, penetrating bombs. They need aircraft to transport these bombs. If they do not have these aircraft, then your point is moot.

LOL

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

It's cute that they replaced the electronics systems, but the point is they do not possess anything approaching what we could call a mature aerial weapons industry.

-Israel does not have a modern weapons industry, they are using old, albeit slightly modified, U.S. hardware.

-They are probably not developing cutting-edge weaponry, considering that they primarily utilize our weaponry.

-They do not have the capacity to transport weapons capable of destroying the bunker.

Hence my reaction: LOL

coolbeans90

Then neither does USA except the F-22. [factually incorrect] Nope

- Just like the US [LOL, we use old hardware for routine sh*t and use mult-billion stealth bombers for the kind of purpose at the hand of this discussion] Well apperantly not with fighter aircraft which you brought up.

- Yup the rafael industries and IWI. There are many countrie in the world including the US which utilize Israeli weaponry.

- This one I don't know of but I'll lok into it. [I'll save you the time; unless they retrofit a 707, they don't]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

For one, we have a modern Bomber introduced in the 90s, which is capable of evading radar systems (Iranians have high-tech anti-aircraft weaponry from the Russians, you see) AND capable of transporting/delivering this bomb.

coolbeans90

We've already gone over fighter aircraft. F-22s and F-35s. Now I'm returning to the topic at hand: Israel's (non-existent) capacity to cripple Iran's nuclear from air.

The F-35 is still in development and when they're finnished Israel will get some.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Do the Israeli people get tear gassed when participating in public demonstrations? Are they victims of torture and rape by the hands of their government? Do they suffer from crippling economic sanctions? Are they unable to properly elect their own leaders and instead have to go along with rigged elections? Please stop with the chauvinistic BS. You are a disgrace to our people. -Sun_Tzu-

Israel doesn't torture or rape anyone, are you Jewish? So am I, only difference is that I'm not a self hating Jew like you. And there is tear gas is non lethal and is only used when things turn violent, they don't use them on innocent civilains.

Long Live Israel! May Solomon's Wisdon Bless Them!

Jews have a right to exist.

fin

*locks thread*

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Israel doesn't torture or rape anyone, are you Jewish? So am I, only difference is that I'm not a self hating Jew like you. And there is tear gas is non lethal and is only used when things turn violent, they don't use them on innocent civilains.

Long Live Israel! May Solomon's Wisdon Bless Them!

themajormayor

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Do the Israeli people get tear gassed when participating in public demonstrations? Are they victims of torture and rape by the hands of their government? Do they suffer from crippling economic sanctions? Are they unable to properly elect their own leaders and instead have to go along with rigged elections? Please stop with the chauvinistic BS. You are a disgrace to our people. -Sun_Tzu-

Israel doesn't torture or rape anyone, are you Jewish? So am I, only difference is that I'm not a self hating Jew like you. And there is tear gas is non lethal and is only used when things turn violent, they don't use them on innocent civilains.

Long Live Israel! May Solomon's Wisdon Bless Them!

I don't want Israel to bomb Iran either, but Israel doesn't torture or rape people, that is completely untrue. Why would you say things about a country where your people live at that arn't true? I apoligise for offending you. But Israel doesn't do those things.

[I'll save you the time; unless they retrofit a 707, they don't]

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Israel doesn't torture or rape anyone, are you Jewish? So am I, only difference is that I'm not a self hating Jew like you. And there is tear gas is non lethal and is only used when things turn violent, they don't use them on innocent civilains.

Long Live Israel! May Solomon's Wisdon Bless Them!

ShadowMoses900

I don't want Israel to bomb Iran either, but Israel doesn't torture or rape people, that is completely untrue. Why would you say things about a country where your people live at that arn't true? I apoligise for offending you. But Israel doesn't do those things.

Then neither does USA except the F-22. [factually incorrect] Nope. Yes. See: F-35, B2, F-22, falcon htv-2, etc. That is a very mature industry.

- Just like the US [LOL, we use old hardware for routine sh*t and use mult-billion stealth bombers for the kind of purpose at the hand of this discussion] Well apperantly not with fighter aircraft which you brought up. Correct, we do not use those aircraft to destroy bunkers. Israel would have to use old aircraft to destroy those bunkers, though, due to their arsenal.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

3) never mentioned anything about that particular weapon.

coolbeans90

You said Israel could be developing weapons to deal with the deep, reinforced bunkers. This necessitates heavy, penetrating bombs. They need aircraft to transport these bombs. If they do not have these aircraft, then your point is moot.

LOL

then they try and look for other ways. if they think they can destroy those sites, Ill try and trust them on it.

and I wasn't comparing the Israeli arms industry to the US one, its obvious they specialise in different things, not to mention the US arms industry is much better funded too.

for a country like Israel though , id say the arms industry is not too bad.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Way to completely miss the point. And you can go fvck yourself if you think I'm a self-hating Jew. There's a monumental difference between disagreeing with certain policies of the elected Israeli government (which is what democracy is all about) and self-hating, but clearly the difference is too advanced for your cognitive skill set. The funny thing is I have quite a few friends who are in the IDF, and I hope to someday become a dual citizen. But I guess since I don't support the bombing of Iran that makes me self-hating. Silly me for not realizing that the bombing of Iran is at the core of the Jewish question!-Sun_Tzu-