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#1 LiftedHeadshot
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If you believe in God what is the reason for your doing so?

- Parent influenced or forced you to?

- Genuinely believe in salvation, heaven, God?

- Self security - comfort to think that someone is watching over you

- Moral principles?

- Afraid of death?

- Want answers to existence?

I am curious to know, I don't intend to offend anyone

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#2 ProjectTrinity
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It's a tough choice picking between magical man in the sky versus magical nothingness in the sky. I chose the magical man. ' -'
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#3 CRS98
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I have a more fringe belief of god, if one exists. I'm not saying there is no possibility, nor is there an absolute possibility.
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#4 cd_rom
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Because the universe needs a starting point. Every machine that's built needs a creator to build and start it.
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#5 tepni
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aw I thought it'd say If you believe in God...

Throw yo hands up in the ayyyerrr!

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Because the universe needs a starting point. Every machine that's built needs a creator to build and start it.cd_rom
Who created the creator? Thats where I get lost.
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#7 cd_rom
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aw I thought it'd say If you believe in God...

Throw yo hands up in the ayyyerrr!

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:o. Don't! You might hit him.
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Where did the universe come from?

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[QUOTE="cd_rom"]Because the universe needs a starting point. Every machine that's built needs a creator to build and start it.GrindingAxe
Who created the creator? Thats where I get lost.

You won't get lost if you know that God is infinitely powerful and us humans don't really understand the word "infinite". We like to limit things, like God, because the concept is frightening.

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#10 Alex3796
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My parents didn't really "force" me into be a Christian, more as I was born into it and accepted it's traditions and beliefs.
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#11 Theokhoth
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All of the above and more. :D
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#12 v13_KiiLtz
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Just one question. How come the Bible says nothing about Dinosaurs?
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Just one question. How come the Bible says nothing about Dinosaurs?v13_KiiLtz
Because the earliest books of the Bible were written approximately six thousand years ago, hundreds of millions of years after the dinosaurs went extinct.
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#14 hiphops_savior
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I believe not because of parental influence, nor fear of death or self-security. I believe in a God who has every right to judge me and all of mankind, and yet is willing to die for us so that we don't have to.
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It's a tough choice picking between magical man in the sky versus magical nothingness in the sky. I chose the magical man. ' -'ProjectTrinity
thats why i go for science, i just think believing some magical being created the whole universe is just a way of putting your mind at ease because it is too complicated to think about.

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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]Just one question. How come the Bible says nothing about Dinosaurs?Theokhoth
Because the earliest books of the Bible were written approximately six thousand years ago, hundreds of millions of years after the dinosaurs went extinct.

Still if the Bible was written by man using god's words than perhaps he would have told them about Dinosaurs so they could add that little tid bit in. Not just the let their be light bs and poof that was the beginning of life

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Just one question. How come the Bible says nothing about Dinosaurs?v13_KiiLtz
You think Bronze Age civilizations would even think of giant reptiles roaming the earth a long time ago?
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#18 idunnodude
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yeah a bit of all the reasons u said there. also i beleive because i really don't see any other explanation for everything in the world or universe.

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[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"]It's a tough choice picking between magical man in the sky versus magical nothingness in the sky. I chose the magical man. ' -'PcGamingRig

thats why i go for science, i just think believing some magical being created the whole universe is just a way of putting your mind at ease because it is too complicated to think about.

and then theres the actual scientific evidence of course :D

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#20 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]Just one question. How come the Bible says nothing about Dinosaurs?hiphops_savior
You think Bronze Age civilizations would even think of giant reptiles roaming the earth a long time ago?

If they we're truly writing gods words than perhaps he should have told these men about the Dinosaurs. I subscribe to the belief though that the whole thing was just made up so that would go into why they would not have included Dinosaurs
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#21 AutoPilotOn
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I thought the world was only like 6000 years old though shouldnt some humans of seen them?
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]Just one question. How come the Bible says nothing about Dinosaurs?testfactor888

Because the earliest books of the Bible were written approximately six thousand years ago, hundreds of millions of years after the dinosaurs went extinct.

Still if the Bible was written by man using god's words than perhaps he would have told them about Dinosaurs so they could add that little tid bit in. Not just the let their be light bs and poof that was the beginning of life

Well, clearly you know better than God about what to say, so I'm convinced. :D
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#23 v13_KiiLtz
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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]Just one question. How come the Bible says nothing about Dinosaurs?hiphops_savior
You think Bronze Age civilizations would even think of giant reptiles roaming the earth a long time ago?

He created the world in seven days right? Wasn't Adam one of his first creations?
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#24 sensfan02
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Because the universe needs a starting point. Every machine that's built needs a creator to build and start it.cd_rom

Let me ask you something, "if god made the universe then who made god"? Something had to come from NOTHING! I think it's more likely the universe came from nothing then a "magical man with a white beard" that lives in the clouds........... oh, wait he doesn't live in the clouds because clouds are just water vapor. Do you why we know that? Because of science. Without science, we would be nowhere in this world, and religion is the thing that is holding us BACK!

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[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]Just one question. How come the Bible says nothing about Dinosaurs?v13_KiiLtz
You think Bronze Age civilizations would even think of giant reptiles roaming the earth a long time ago?

He created the world in seven days right? Wasn't Adam one of his first creations?

Actually, Adam was the second-to-last creation (with Eve being the last).
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Because the earliest books of the Bible were written approximately six thousand years ago, hundreds of millions of years after the dinosaurs went extinct.Theokhoth

Still if the Bible was written by man using god's words than perhaps he would have told them about Dinosaurs so they could add that little tid bit in. Not just the let their be light bs and poof that was the beginning of life

Well, clearly you know better than God about what to say, so I'm convinced. :D

Considering god doesn't talk I would say anyone who actually uses their voice is more convincing than god. Alas god doesn't exist but still that was not the point of this thread so I won't derail it any further. Just so many contradictions when it comes to the bible its ridiculous
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I thought the world was only like 6000 years old though shouldnt some humans of seen them?AutoPilotOn
The Earth's 4.5 billion years old. Humans didn't come around until long after the dinosaurs died.
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If you believe in God what is the reason for your doing so?

- Parent influenced or forced you to? Nope.

- Genuinely believe in salvation, heaven, God? no.

- Self security - comfort to think that someone is watching over you? ha. no.

- Moral principles? I'm lacking in that already.

- Afraid of death? Everyone is at one point but no.

- Want answers to existence? Yes. My definition of god is the beggining though. I don't believe hes actually living or sentient. I believe he is the source of all energy.

I am curious to know, I don't intend to offend anyone

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You have not.

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#29 v13_KiiLtz
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="hiphops_savior"] You think Bronze Age civilizations would even think of giant reptiles roaming the earth a long time ago?

He created the world in seven days right? Wasn't Adam one of his first creations?

Actually, Adam was the second-to-last creation (with Eve being the last).

Still doesn't explain the extinction of dinosaurs in seven days... when its been proven they walked the Earth long before humans.
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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] He created the world in seven days right? Wasn't Adam one of his first creations?

Actually, Adam was the second-to-last creation (with Eve being the last).

Still doesn't explain the extinction of dinosaurs in seven days... when its been proven they walked the Earth long before humans.

It took billions of years to create the Earth, according to my science textbook.
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If you believe in God what is the reason for your doing so?

- Parent influenced or forced you to?

- Genuinely believe in salvation, heaven, God?

- Self security - comfort to think that someone is watching over you

- Moral principles?

- Afraid of death?

- Want answers to existence?

I am curious to know, I don't intend to offend anyone

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My parents kind of influenced me to. They brought me to church every week as a kid, but I wouldn't say they forced me or even that I still believe in God because of them. I do believe in salvation. I think people who live their lives unethically will be punished and people who had to put their and down and plow through the mud will be rewarded in the end. Believing in God doesn't make me feel secure at all. And I certainly don't expect him to help me while I'm on earth. My life is my own responsibility. Yeah, I do believe in morals and I that is part of why I believe in God. No I'm not afraid of death. I don't want to die yet, there still so much I have to do, but I'm not afraid of the actual thing. And no, it's not because I want any answers to existence. I feel like I have to find my own purpose in life, and I don't need any specific reason to live.
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#32 v13_KiiLtz
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Actually, Adam was the second-to-last creation (with Eve being the last).

Still doesn't explain the extinction of dinosaurs in seven days... when its been proven they walked the Earth long before humans.

It took billions of years to create the Earth, according to my science textbook.

:P I see. But just bare with me for a second. So in Genesis it states that God created the world in seven days. First was light. Second was sky. Third, earth and water. Fourth, the sun and moon. Fifth, birds and sea creatures and on the Sixth land animals AND humans. Now lets think of Dinosaurs. Where do they fit in here?
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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] He created the world in seven days right? Wasn't Adam one of his first creations?

Actually, Adam was the second-to-last creation (with Eve being the last).

Still doesn't explain the extinction of dinosaurs in seven days... when its been proven they walked the Earth long before humans.

Creationism shouldn't be associated with all of Christianity. The Greeks and Romans created their own myths of how the Earth was created through their Gods. That's the same thing Christians did. The stories in the bible are there for the morals. That's why their themes are very common in various holy books. So don't take it so literally.
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Its faith that keeps me believing in God, I can not see him but I feel his presence around me and how he works in my life and the lives of others. For me, science doesnt provide a clear explanation of how we came to be or what our purpose (as indviduals) is. Faith is the way.

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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] Still doesn't explain the extinction of dinosaurs in seven days... when its been proven they walked the Earth long before humans.

It took billions of years to create the Earth, according to my science textbook.

:P I see. But just bare with me for a second. So in Genesis it states that God created the world in seven days. First was light. Second was sky. Third, earth and water. Fourth, the sun and moon. Fifth, birds and sea creatures and on the Sixth land animals AND humans. Now lets think of Dinosaurs. Where do they fit in here?

Land animals, I think. :P I believe Genesis is a myth. The Bible has a surprising amount of those.
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If you read the bible it does mention dinosours, In the book of job he describes a large creature with a tale like a cedar tree, and you can find a few more throughout.

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[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Actually, Adam was the second-to-last creation (with Eve being the last).

Still doesn't explain the extinction of dinosaurs in seven days... when its been proven they walked the Earth long before humans.

Creationism shouldn't be associated with all of Christianity. The Greeks and Romans created their own myths of how the Earth was created through their Gods. That's the same thing Christians did. The stories in the bible are there for the morals. That's why their themes are very common in various holy books. So don't take it so literally.

I'm not taking it literally... just asking a question :? and even if I was I'm at liberty to do so as likewise there are people out there who do take the bible literally. And the keyword here is "myth". Greek and Roman mythology aren't religions, at least by todays standards.
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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] Still doesn't explain the extinction of dinosaurs in seven days... when its been proven they walked the Earth long before humans.

Creationism shouldn't be associated with all of Christianity. The Greeks and Romans created their own myths of how the Earth was created through their Gods. That's the same thing Christians did. The stories in the bible are there for the morals. That's why their themes are very common in various holy books. So don't take it so literally.

I'm not taking it literally... just asking a question :? and even if I was I'm at liberty to do so as likewise there are people out there who do take the bible literally. And the keyword here is "myth". Greek and Roman mythology aren't religions, at least by todays standards.

They WERE religions. Hence you have the Parthenon.
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If you read the bible it does mention dinosours, In the book of job he describes a large creature with a tale like a cedar tree, and you can find a few more throughout.

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That would be inconsistancy. Dinosaurs were long gone before humans came about.
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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] Still doesn't explain the extinction of dinosaurs in seven days... when its been proven they walked the Earth long before humans.

Creationism shouldn't be associated with all of Christianity. The Greeks and Romans created their own myths of how the Earth was created through their Gods. That's the same thing Christians did. The stories in the bible are there for the morals. That's why their themes are very common in various holy books. So don't take it so literally.

I'm not taking it literally... just asking a question :? and even if I was I'm at liberty to do so as likewise there are people out there who do take the bible literally. And the keyword here is "myth". Greek and Roman mythology aren't religions, at least by todays standards.

Yes the bible is not just a story it is waaay more than that. You cant call it a myth many historical turing points have been based on the bible (eg: death of christ)
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we'll probably find out more about dinosaurs when the testament strikes back gets released.

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[QUOTE="PcGamingRig"]

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"]It's a tough choice picking between magical man in the sky versus magical nothingness in the sky. I chose the magical man. ' -'PcGamingRig

thats why i go for science, i just think believing some magical being created the whole universe is just a way of putting your mind at ease because it is too complicated to think about.

and then theres the actual scientific evidence of course :D

If nothingness could create itself, I could see myself picking science mah'self. But science is the belief that everything stems from somewhere, which in itself would never have an answer to how existence came to pass. Not that religion is much/any better. When it all boils down, it comes down to: "The magical powers of the magical 0 made the universe, or the magical powers of a magical man." ^ Both, to me, sound like fairy tales, but we as humans basically choose one or the other. As you said, I'm just choosing the one that doesn't have to have an answer: The magical man. :P
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If you read the bible it does mention dinosours, In the book of job he describes a large creature with a tale like a cedar tree, and you can find a few more throughout.

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Crocodile, most likely.
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[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="frostybanana"] Creationism shouldn't be associated with all of Christianity. The Greeks and Romans created their own myths of how the Earth was created through their Gods. That's the same thing Christians did. The stories in the bible are there for the morals. That's why their themes are very common in various holy books. So don't take it so literally.

I'm not taking it literally... just asking a question :? and even if I was I'm at liberty to do so as likewise there are people out there who do take the bible literally. And the keyword here is "myth". Greek and Roman mythology aren't religions, at least by todays standards.

They WERE religions. Hence you have the Parthenon.

Yes v_v I know; "WERE". Past tense, hence why I said "not by today's standards".
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[QUOTE="SEGAmaniac7"]

If you read the bible it does mention dinosours, In the book of job he describes a large creature with a tale like a cedar tree, and you can find a few more throughout.

v13_KiiLtz

That would be inconsistancy. Dinosaurs were long gone before humans came about.

Not really there are many non biblical accounts of dinosaur like like creatures being spotted and carvings, images dated back to thousands of years ago

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[QUOTE="SEGAmaniac7"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="frostybanana"] Creationism shouldn't be associated with all of Christianity. The Greeks and Romans created their own myths of how the Earth was created through their Gods. That's the same thing Christians did. The stories in the bible are there for the morals. That's why their themes are very common in various holy books. So don't take it so literally.

I'm not taking it literally... just asking a question :? and even if I was I'm at liberty to do so as likewise there are people out there who do take the bible literally. And the keyword here is "myth". Greek and Roman mythology aren't religions, at least by todays standards.

Yes the bible is not just a story it is waaay more than that. You cant call it a myth many historical turing points have been based on the bible (eg: death of christ)

I never called the bible a myth or a story :?
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#47 v13_KiiLtz
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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="SEGAmaniac7"]

If you read the bible it does mention dinosours, In the book of job he describes a large creature with a tale like a cedar tree, and you can find a few more throughout.

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That would be inconsistancy. Dinosaurs were long gone before humans came about.

Not really there are many non biblical accounts of dinosaur like like creatures being spotted and carvings, images dated back to thousands of years ago

Yes, "dinosaur like" creatures. Creatures that appear to be like dinosaurs. That doesn't make them dinosaurs though, does it?
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#48 SEGAmaniac7
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[QUOTE="SEGAmaniac7"]

If you read the bible it does mention dinosours, In the book of job he describes a large creature with a tale like a cedar tree, and you can find a few more throughout.

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Crocodile, most likely.

heres the actual verse Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, And his power in the muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron. (Job 40:15–18) Im not saying its for sure a dinosaur but its definatly not a croc, its something bigger

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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="SEGAmaniac7"]

If you read the bible it does mention dinosours, In the book of job he describes a large creature with a tale like a cedar tree, and you can find a few more throughout.

SEGAmaniac7

That would be inconsistancy. Dinosaurs were long gone before humans came about.

Not really there are many non biblical accounts of dinosaur like like creatures being spotted and carvings, images dated back to thousands of years ago

Those aren't dinosaurs, dude. There are some pretty big modern-day animals out there, like elephants, komodo dragons, and HOLY ****ING HUGE PIRANHAS.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="SEGAmaniac7"]

If you read the bible it does mention dinosours, In the book of job he describes a large creature with a tale like a cedar tree, and you can find a few more throughout.

SEGAmaniac7

Crocodile, most likely.

heres the actual verse Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, And his power in the muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron. (Job 40:15–18) Im not saying its for sure a dinosaur but its definatly not a croc, its something bigger

Elephant, then.