If you believe in God...

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[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"] Well, if there is a God, or to make things more interesting: If the Christian God is real and who he says he is, he by far isn't 'ignorant'. I believe he's insensitive myself, so I'll let that fly. The real trick is the fact you are dubbing something as fiction that you do not fully grasp. Unless you have an absolute method of proving that nothingness can create the universe as complex as it has, then at the very most, all you're doing is trolling while the rest of the thread is having pretty insightful reads. So in short, you are the only person laying your opinion down as fact, or at least giving off that impression, so, you should be the only person giving solid facts backing your statements.ProjectTrinity

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Evolution is total BS and is something Science has yet to prove, just like the Big Bang. Both are nothing more than conjecture.

VisigothSaxon

The proof being that Evolution and the Big Bang are not scientific fact. Regardless of how strongly scientists believe in it, they have yet to prove it as fact.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Evolution is total BS Lonelynight

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Evolution is total BS Lonelynight

Depends what evolution you are talking about. Yes the evolution in biology is fact, but is vastly different and subtle, and not what people think of when they say evolution.

None. Was never forced or any of those. I decided myself and found faith on my own.

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[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"] I want to see proof behind this statement.ProjectTrinity

The proof being that Evolution and the Big Bang are not scientific fact. Regardless of how strongly scientists believe in it, they have yet to prove it as fact.

There is no especially. They both stand as equals right now in that they cannot be proven/disproven. Please stop acting bias.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Evolution is total BS VisigothSaxon

Depends what evolution you are talking about. Yes the evolution in biology is fact, but is vastly different and subtle, and not what people think of when they say evolution.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Evolution is total BS VisigothSaxon

Depends what evolution you are talking about. Yes the evolution in biology is fact, but is vastly different and subtle, and not what people think of when they say evolution.

If you want specifics, the evolution in biology does not say that a monkey could evolve into a man.

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] You fill the gap of the unknown with a creator. A random variable "x" that in your case has taken the form of a christian god, whom also happens to be a male hence the "he." Or are my statements pushed aside making me an outcast among those who believe? Intern leading you to believe I'm "trolling."

NVIDIATI

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"] Evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology.Suzy_Q_Kazoo

Depends what evolution you are talking about. Yes the evolution in biology is fact, but is vastly different and subtle, and not what people think of when they say evolution.

The fact that is accepted does not make it true. What is BS about evolution is that men evolved from apes, wouldn't that mean apes would still be turning into men? Or there would be no apes other than humans? I fully accept the type of evolution in biology because it is fact not theory.

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

The proof being that Evolution and the Big Bang are not scientific fact. Regardless of how strongly scientists believe in it, they have yet to prove it as fact.

VisigothSaxon

There is no especially. They both stand as equals right now in that they cannot be proven/disproven. Please stop acting bias.

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Evolution is total BS VisigothSaxon

Depends what evolution you are talking about. Yes the evolution in biology is fact, but is vastly different and subtle, and not what people think of when they say evolution.

If you want specifics, the evolution in biology does not say that a monkey could evolve into a man.

I think you are very very confused Visigoth. There is no "biology" version of evolution, and some other version.

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[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]That's because it's meaning is misinterpreted and tends to be skewed, that doesn't mean what it actually is is BS though. Evolution is a theory that is largely accepted among the scientific community.testfactor888

The fact that is accepted does not make it true. What is BS about evolution is that men evolved from apes, wouldn't that mean apes would still be turning into men? Or there would be no apes other than humans? I fully accept the type of evolution in biology because it is fact not theory.

... There is a big difference between similarities and us actually evolving from them? Don't insult me, for I haven't insulted anyone here. Darwin's Evolution is conjecture nothing more.

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Depends what evolution you are talking about. Yes the evolution in biology is fact, but is vastly different and subtle, and not what people think of when they say evolution.

GenericUser12

If you want specifics, the evolution in biology does not say that a monkey could evolve into a man.

I think you are very very confused Visigoth. There is no "biology" version of evolution, and some other version.

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Depends what evolution you are talking about. Yes the evolution in biology is fact, but is vastly different and subtle, and not what people think of when they say evolution.

VisigothSaxon

The fact that is accepted does not make it true. What is BS about evolution is that men evolved from apes, wouldn't that mean apes would still be turning into men? Or there would be no apes other than humans? I fully accept the type of evolution in biology because it is fact not theory.

LOL, now I know not to take you seriously.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

The fact that is accepted does not make it true. What is BS about evolution is that men evolved from apes, wouldn't that mean apes would still be turning into men? Or there would be no apes other than humans? I fully accept the type of evolution in biology because it is fact not theory.

VisigothSaxon

... There is a big difference between similarities and us actually evolving from them? Don't insult me, for I haven't insulted anyone here. Darwin's Evolution is conjecture nothing more.

the evolution in biology does not say that a monkey could evolve into a man.VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="SEGAmaniac7"] See I dont like talking to uneducated people like you who completely disregard opposing views and are so close minded. I do believe a lot of science is true, it explains many things and I totally agree with a lot of it. But not evolution, there is no real evidence, fossils bones mean nothing, theory's are just theory's, yea I believe in micro-evolution, over times creatures change adaptions but no, a creature can not turn into human and then reproduce and create more humans, its impossible. VisigothSaxon

Evolution is total BS and is something Science has yet to prove, just like the Big Bang. Both are nothing more than conjecture.

If you say that about evolution, then I can say the same thing about god.

Like I said before, the universe or god, one of those two, had to come from nothing, and I think the universe is more likely to come from nothing.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]the evolution in biology does not say that a monkey could evolve into a man.Lonelynight

Not to that extent. It is still conjecture. I don't get why people are saying I am confused, they clearly do not know biology.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]the evolution in biology does not say that a monkey could evolve into a man.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Depends what evolution you are talking about. Yes the evolution in biology is fact, but is vastly different and subtle, and not what people think of when they say evolution.

VisigothSaxon

The fact that is accepted does not make it true. What is BS about evolution is that men evolved from apes, wouldn't that mean apes would still be turning into men? Or there would be no apes other than humans? I fully accept the type of evolution in biology because it is fact not theory.

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[QUOTE="testfactor888"] Calling him uneducated is ironic in this instancesensfan02

Evolution is total BS and is something Science has yet to prove, just like the Big Bang. Both are nothing more than conjecture.

If you say that about evolution, then I can say the same thing about god.

Like I said before, the universe or god, one of those two, had to come from nothing, and I think the universe is more likely to come from nothing.

I have said that both Evolution and Religion cannot be proven or disproven. Why do I side with God? Well God answers more questions, even more so when you are talking about the universe.

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Evolution is total BS and is something Science has yet to prove, just like the Big Bang. Both are nothing more than conjecture.

VisigothSaxon

If you say that about evolution, then I can say the same thing about god.

Like I said before, the universe or god, one of those two, had to come from nothing, and I think the universe is more likely to come from nothing.

I have said that both Evolution and Religion cannot be proven or disproven. Why do I side with God? Well God answers more questions, even more so when you are talking about the universe.

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[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]That's because it's meaning is misinterpreted and tends to be skewed, that doesn't mean what it actually is is BS though. Evolution is a theory that is largely accepted among the scientific community.Suzy_Q_Kazoo

The fact that is accepted does not make it true. What is BS about evolution is that men evolved from apes, wouldn't that mean apes would still be turning into men? Or there would be no apes other than humans? I fully accept the type of evolution in biology because it is fact not theory.

Eh the type of evolution that is accepted is the subtle kind that works more on a cellular level. It is the Darwin type Evolution that is not fact. So? Just because a large majority beleives it does not make it true. Or else everyone would believe in religion because many people beleive in it and the Pope beleives in it.

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If you say that about evolution, then I can say the same thing about god.

Like I said before, the universe or god, one of those two, had to come from nothing, and I think the universe is more likely to come from nothing.

ProjectTrinity

I have said that both Evolution and Religion cannot be proven or disproven. Why do I side with God? Well God answers more questions, even more so when you are talking about the universe.

Then do not get me started on Evolution, they are on a level playing field because both cannot be proven or disproven.

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

The fact that is accepted does not make it true. What is BS about evolution is that men evolved from apes, wouldn't that mean apes would still be turning into men? Or there would be no apes other than humans? I fully accept the type of evolution in biology because it is fact not theory.

VisigothSaxon

Eh the type of evolution that is accepted is the subtle kind that works more on a cellular level. It is the Darwin type Evolution that is not fact. So? Just because a large majority beleives it does not make it true. Or else everyone would believe in religion because many people beleive in it and the Pope beleives in it.

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[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"] That sounds like a loop waiting to happen. Here: I did not tell you that 'nothingness created the universe' as fiction, which would be what you did. I just explained why I choose to believe in a magical man in the sky. You chose to call said magical man fictional, knowing that we have Christians on this forum, therefore, trolling. Of course, you could always be all literal and say "I never specified/singled-out religion!', but that doesn't change much. [Yes I said 'magical man in the sky'. ]ProjectTrinity

Not to that extent. It is still conjecture. I don't get why people are saying I am confused, they clearly do not know biology.VisigothSaxon

I think I said from the get-go that it's a theory. The fact that it is widely accepted by scientists though proves that there's some foundation to reasonable, tested belief as to why it's become that way. I only know of the biological evolution.....what other one is there? Suzy_Q_Kazoo

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

The fact that is accepted does not make it true. What is BS about evolution is that men evolved from apes, wouldn't that mean apes would still be turning into men? Or there would be no apes other than humans? I fully accept the type of evolution in biology because it is fact not theory.

VisigothSaxon

Eh the type of evolution that is accepted is the subtle kind that works more on a cellular level. It is the Darwin type Evolution that is not fact. So? Just because a large majority beleives it does not make it true. Or else everyone would believe in religion because many people beleive in it and the Pope beleives in it.

Then do not get me started on Evolution, they are on a level playing field because both cannot be proven or disproven.VisigothSaxon

I would like to add that a scientific theory is heavily based on fact, like the theory of gravity.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Then do not get me started on Evolution, they are on a level playing field because both cannot be proven or disproven.Lonelynight

God is based on more than faith considering there is a bible. That still doesn't change the fact they both cannot be proven disproven. It doesn't bother me either.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Then do not get me started on Evolution, they are on a level playing field because both cannot be proven or disproven.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] So I have to limit what I believe in to not offend others while they can just simply state theirs? Or is my calling of "god" being fiction considered an attack on others beliefs aka religion, while they can suggest a creator and not be offensive to my own beliefs?

NVIDIATI

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[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]I think I said from the get-go that it's a theory. The fact that it is widely accepted by scientists though proves that there's some foundation to reasonable, tested belief as to why it's become that way. I only know of the biological evolution.....what other one is there? Suzy_Q_Kazoo

Eh the type of evolution that is accepted is the subtle kind that works more on a cellular level. It is the Darwin type Evolution that is not fact. So? Just because a large majority beleives it does not make it true. Or else everyone would believe in religion because many people beleive in it and the Pope beleives in it.

That still does not make it more true than Religion. I despise the science communities sense of entitlement, even when they haven't proved something. As I am sure you guys despise religions sense of entitlement.

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[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Evolution is total BS and is something Science has yet to prove, just like the Big Bang. Both are nothing more than conjecture.

VisigothSaxon

If you say that about evolution, then I can say the same thing about god.

Like I said before, the universe or god, one of those two, had to come from nothing, and I think the universe is more likely to come from nothing.

I have said that both Evolution and Religion cannot be proven or disproven. Why do I side with God? Well God answers more questions, even more so when you are talking about the universe.

No, god doesn't answers any questions, men do. Everything you know about god is man made, and the universe is telling us many things. For example, we are finding more and more earth like-planets. Therefore, there is a good chance that we are not alone in the universe.

Oh, and if Jesus was the son of god, wouldn't he of told everyone about the history of the earth and the universe?

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If you say that about evolution, then I can say the same thing about god.

Like I said before, the universe or god, one of those two, had to come from nothing, and I think the universe is more likely to come from nothing.

sensfan02

I have said that both Evolution and Religion cannot be proven or disproven. Why do I side with God? Well God answers more questions, even more so when you are talking about the universe.

No, god doesn't answers any questions, men do. Everything you know about god is man made, and the universe is telling us many things. For example, we are finding more and more earth like-planets. Therefore, there is a good chance that we are not alone in the universe.

Oh, and if Jesus was the son of god, wouldn't he of told everyone about the history of the earth and the universe?

Why so defensive? His comment was saying that evolution cant be proven. Which is true.gaming25

God is based on more than faith considering there is a bible. That still doesn't change the fact they both cannot be proven disproven. It doesn't bother me either.VisigothSaxon

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If you say that about evolution, then I can say the same thing about god.

Like I said before, the universe or god, one of those two, had to come from nothing, and I think the universe is more likely to come from nothing.

sensfan02

I have said that both Evolution and Religion cannot be proven or disproven. Why do I side with God? Well God answers more questions, even more so when you are talking about the universe.

No, god doesn't answers any questions, men do. Everything you know about god is man made, and the universe is telling us many things. For example, we are finding more and more earth like-planets. Therefore, there is a good chance that we are not alone in the universe.

Oh, and if Jesus was the son of god, wouldn't he of told everyone about the history of the earth and the universe?

Why would Jesus do that? He had a purpose on Earth and he fulfilled it, he came here to help and that is what he did. I never said it will answer your questions, that is something you have to find on your own.

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If you say that about evolution, then I can say the same thing about god.

Like I said before, the universe or god, one of those two, had to come from nothing, and I think the universe is more likely to come from nothing.

I have said that both Evolution and Religion cannot be proven or disproven. Why do I side with God? Well God answers more questions, even more so when you are talking about the universe.

No, god doesn't answers any questions, men do. Everything you know about god is man made, and the universe is telling us many things. For example, we are finding more and more earth like-planets. Therefore, there is a good chance that we are not alone in the universe.

Oh, and if Jesus was the son of god, wouldn't he of told everyone about the history of the earth and the universe?

That still does not make it more true than Religion. I despise the science communities sense of entitlement, even when they haven't proved something. As I am sure you guys despise religions sense of entitlement.

VisigothSaxon

I'm facepalming...rockguy92

Your not the only one, these anti-evolution posts are painful to read.

Why would Jesus do that? He had a purpose on Earth and he fulfilled it, he came here to help and that is what he did. I never said it will answer your questions, that is something you have to find on your own.VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"] Evolution also can be tested and observe.[QUOTE="gaming25"] Why so defensive? His comment was saying that evolution cant be proven. Which is true.Lonelynight

God is based on more than faith considering there is a bible. That still doesn't change the fact they both cannot be proven disproven. It doesn't bother me either.VisigothSaxon

I do not care about the Koran. Wait so you are saying that Evolution is and can be proven? Enlighten me then because I have yet to hear of this.

There is also the Koran. Which says that the Bible is wrong.Lonelynight

Lol. Are you kidding? The koran doesnt say that.