If you believe in God...

[QUOTE="gaming25"] Do you know what an astronomer is?Lonelynight

Well that right there disproves your theory on an average high schooler knowing more than what people knew back then.gaming25

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] To you it may be. But to me, it is a reckless, uninformed attempt to try and understand something that happened a long time ago without being able to test or prove it out.gaming25

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]Oh I see :P It kind of depends on what God you're talking about but thats irrelevent. Do you understand what I was going on about now?Vax45

EDIT: I'm talking about the philosophical God: The dude that has always been. He's not judging or punishing us, he's just there.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] :| There have been various tests made to try out the Big Bang. One was done a couple of years ago in Europe. Evolution is a supported by adaptations species have shown to have made throughout time.

v13_KiiLtz

"Inconsistancies"? What a baseless accusation. And then you said that it "sounds" more plausible. You taking stuff at face value is the problem.

[QUOTE="gaming25"] Astronomers back then knew tons more than high schoolers of today about the universe.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="gaming25"] First of all, a small, and skewered test of something so drastically different and huge as they claim big bang is, would be merely a "test" at all. And adaptations doesnt specifically show how an animal could transform into a human being.gaming25

"Inconsistancies"? What a baseless accusation. And then you said that it "sounds" more plausible. You taking stuff at face value is the problem.

If you believe in God what is the reason for your doing so?

- Genuinely believe in salvation, heaven, God?

LiftedHeadshot

So this one I guess?

aw I thought it'd say If you believe in God...

Throw yo hands up in the ayyyerrr!

tepni

And wave em round like you just don't cayyerrr...:P sry couldn't resist

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] Still doesn't explain the extinction of dinosaurs in seven days... when its been proven they walked the Earth long before humans.v13_KiiLtz

The Belief of god is perfectly sane if you acknowledge facts and get away from the churches and organized religion. You can prove that many things in the bible are false so why believe anything else in it? Some Historians even think Jesus never even existed because there is really no proof of it. Many of the record accounts have been proven false. We can prove with the evidence we have now that the bible is infact nothing more then Mythology. It's separating yourself from that which is the hard part because you don't want to hear that the things you've been told as a child aren't true and you don't want to believe that when you die nothing might happen. People would rather walk around the world thinking they know all the answers instead of actually having to work to find the answers.

I was brainwashed as a kid and given bibles and books and I would spend days and days arguing with atheists/agnostics about how they got it all wrong. When I started doing my own research and came to my own conclusions my opinion changed. I don't think anybody can say for sure there isn't a creator (if i made up a invisible man in my head and told you to disprove him you couldn't) but disproving Christianity is insanely easy all you have to do is read the bible and use common knowledge. I believe in the possibility of a creator outside of anything written in text here on Earth but I think it's more probable that one doesn't exist. The human mind has trouble comrepehending inanely low probabilities and vast amounts of time but it is VERY possible that the universe created itself. Even current scientific experiments (Large Hadron Collider) can give us much information on the creation of our universe.

A belief in God is a wonderful thing, and I'm not going to knock those who take that stance. What I would like to add to this is that Stephen Hawking posited that God didn't have to have created the universe. He said that because of gravity, the universe could have created itself.

If you believe in God what is the reason for your doing so?

- Parent influenced or forced you to?

- Genuinely believe in salvation, heaven, God?

- Self security - comfort to think that someone is watching over you

- Moral principles?

- Afraid of death?

- Want answers to existence?

I am curious to know, I don't intend to offend anyone

LiftedHeadshot

my father is a minister, so that was certainly an influence. it was never forced on me though. i do genuinely believe in god, i just don't think any of this is possible otherwise (tho i'm not a creationist). it also helsp with self security, gives me some moral principles, and helsp me cope with the thought of death, and also gives some answers to existence for me. so basically the first 2 reasons you gave, but they've lead to the other ones you've mentioned.

I will have to go with I "Genuinely believe in salvation, heaven, God?". I wasn't raised Christian or anything. My parents and I never went to Church and I was raised to be an Agnostic. I decided later in life to become a Christian (LDS) and have never regretted my decision to do so. I have a testimony of God, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. The more I study the scriptures, the more my testimony grows.

The concept of "God" that I believe in isn't really the same as the God religious people believe in.

I think it's more that...for as long as the universe has existed, it makes sense that some being would achieve a level of existence that would make it what we consider "God-like". Maybe it's taken an interest in us, maybe not.

I don't think there's a "man in the sky" pulling our strings and shaking us like we're his own personal ant-farm.

But without a doubt, there's something/someone out there who is so far beyond what we can even conceive of that it may as well be "God".

They don't Christianity is a Falsifiable Hypothesis. We can prove with scientific study that many things in the bible are not true. From the sun revolving around the earth to us being in the center of the universe to the earth's history to it's age to what it is shaped like. People don't look at these facts though they just ignore them and continue on reading a dated book telling themselves its how the context is taken and how it was written by primitive men so that's why all these facts are wrong and some don't even acknowledge they are wrong and make insane excuses for them.

XileLord

I disagree with you. It can be proven that certain interpretations of the Bible are false, but there are different interpretations, which is different from proving the Bible false as you stated.

Taking each of these points in turn,

-My upbringing actually pushed me away from God, It's a long story but I figure it's one many of us share

-I believe in all those things, but those aren't the reasons I believe in God.

-Again there is a comfort, but this isn't the reason

-I think the existence of moral principles point towards the existence of a God. Many moral principles aren't evolutionary or socially beneficial and their presence is strong evidence (IMO) of a higher moral law

-Not really, I fly airplanes for a living, I know it's coming someday and I know where I'm going when it does.

-God does in fact give an answer to existence.

Philosophically I'd say that in a time-constrained universe, bound by the laws present, something outside of said universe, unbound by time or any of it's other constraints must have created the universe. An eternal being requires no creator.

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="rockguy92"] I became open to science, started questioning religion for the first time...v13_KiiLtz

Why would science make you question religion?

Evolution is total BS and is something Science has yet to prove, just like the Big Bang. Both are nothing more than conjecture.

VisigothSaxon

Evolution is the cornerstone of modern day Biology, and is easily the most unifying theory in science. Statements like these prove to me that you're either homeschooled by your dumb*** parents, or you're young enough to haven't taken any science courses.

Evolution has more evidence to back it up than gravity, yes gravity.

Parents, church, and from my own experience.

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="gaming25"]

Why would science make you question religion?

Penguinchow

I agree, the Bible is fullof metaphors or things that used to be one way but have changed.The bible mentions the creation of the earth and how god rested on the 7th day, meaing that it took 6 days, according to alot of people who have studied the bible and by others is that when the bible mentions a day, that it could possibly mean 100...1,000...1,000,000 days or even years. Which if we are talking about millions ofyears then eveloution could have very well have happened in these "7 days." What religiouspeople need to stop denying is that Evolution does exsist. But that doesnt mean that God or something seen as god couldnt have put it into motion. Science says that the earth was volcanicy rocky dusty gasy and unstable place, granted the Bible only says the dust of the earth, but that is basicly saying that we came from the earth, which is true.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Evolution is total BS and is something Science has yet to prove, just like the Big Bang. Both are nothing more than conjecture.

HoolaHoopMan

Evolution is the cornerstone of modern day Biology, and is easily the most unifying theory in science. Statements like these prove to me that you're either homeschooled by your dumb*** parents, or you're young enough to haven't taken any science courses.

Evolution has more evidence to back it up than gravity, yes gravity.

Sigh, you need to learn to read, you clearly misunderstand me. I know biology and I know the evolution involved in Biology, which is a proven fact. Darwins Theory of Evolution is total BS as of right now because it is not fact. I am sorry Evolution isn't fact, attacking me and raging over it does not make it fact. Why is that so hard for you to accept Evolution cannot be proven or disproven, I can accept that religion cannot be proven and disproven. You are simply being a bias biggot, accept the facts or acknowledge the difference.

It went like this :" All this came from nothing ? Buhahahahahaa :lol: ! " And then I thought , there must be someone or something that causd the big bang or any other thing sceintists say.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Evolution is total BS and is something Science has yet to prove, just like the Big Bang. Both are nothing more than conjecture.

VisigothSaxon

Evolution is the cornerstone of modern day Biology, and is easily the most unifying theory in science. Statements like these prove to me that you're either homeschooled by your dumb*** parents, or you're young enough to haven't taken any science courses.

Evolution has more evidence to back it up than gravity, yes gravity.

Sigh, you need to learn to read, you clearly misunderstand me. I know biology and I know the evolution involved in Biology, which is a proven fact. Darwins Theory of Evolution is total BS as of right now because it is not fact. I am sorry Evolution isn't fact, attacking me and raging over it does not make it fact. Why is that so hard for you to accept Evolution cannot be proven or disproven, I can accept that religion cannot be proven and disproven. You are simply being a bias biggot, accept the facts or acknowledge the difference.

The lack of understanding is from your end, not mine. Just like your understanding of Newton's theory of gravitational push :lol:, your grasp on evolution is embarrassing. There is no "darwin's theory of evolution" vs "regular evolution". They are the same thing. You are nothing more than a scientific illiterate.

There is nothing bias orbigoted against fighting the bull**** that you type and pollute the internet with.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Evolution is the cornerstone of modern day Biology, and is easily the most unifying theory in science. Statements like these prove to me that you're either homeschooled by your dumb*** parents, or you're young enough to haven't taken any science courses.

Evolution has more evidence to back it up than gravity, yes gravity.

VisigothSaxon

Sigh, you need to learn to read, you clearly misunderstand me. I know biology and I know the evolution involved in Biology, which is a proven fact. Darwins Theory of Evolution is total BS as of right now because it is not fact. I am sorry Evolution isn't fact, attacking me and raging over it does not make it fact. Why is that so hard for you to accept Evolution cannot be proven or disproven, I can accept that religion cannot be proven and disproven. You are simply being a bias biggot, accept the facts or acknowledge the difference.

It went like this :" All this came from nothing ? Buhahahahahaa :lol: ! " And then I thought , there must be someone or something that causd the big bang or any other thing sceintists say.

gubrushadow

They don't Christianity is a Falsifiable Hypothesis. We can prove with scientific study that many things in the bible are not true. From the sun revolving around the earth to us being in the center of the universe to the earth's history to it's age to what it is shaped like. People don't look at these facts though they just ignore them and continue on reading a dated book telling themselves its how the context is taken and how it was written by primitive men so that's why all these facts are wrong and some don't even acknowledge they are wrong and make insane excuses for them.

The Belief of god is perfectly sane if you acknowledge facts and get away from the churches and organized religion. You can prove that many things in the bible are false so why believe anything else in it? Some Historians even think Jesus never even existed because there is really no proof of it. Many of the record accounts have been proven false. We can prove with the evidence we have now that the bible is infact nothing more then Mythology. It's separating yourself from that which is the hard part because you don't want to hear that the things you've been told as a child aren't true and you don't want to believe that when you die nothing might happen. People would rather walk around the world thinking they know all the answers instead of actually having to work to find the answers.

I was brainwashed as a kid and given bibles and books and I would spend days and days arguing with atheists/agnostics about how they got it all wrong. When I started doing my own research and came to my own conclusions my opinion changed. I don't think anybody can say for sure there isn't a creator (if i made up a invisible man in my head and told you to disprove him you couldn't) but disproving Christianity is insanely easy all you have to do is read the bible and use common knowledge. I believe in the possibility of a creator outside of anything written in text here on Earth but I think it's more probable that one doesn't exist. The human mind has trouble comrepehending inanely low probabilities and vast amounts of time but it is VERY possible that the universe created itself. Even current scientific experiments (Large Hadron Collider) can give us much information on the creation of our universe.

XileLord

The Bible doesnt say the sun revolves around the earth. It talks about the sun rising and setting from our perspective. We say this all the time. And the Bible does not say that the earth is the center of the universe. You say that "people dont look at facts" yet you dont have any. Your accusation that Jesus never existed is slanderous since historians have said that he did exist. We get our proof from historians so what you said makes no sense. And scientific experiments are just that experiments. Science cant test or prove that the universe created itself.

And then you say "but disproving Christianity is insanely easy all you have to do is read the bible and use common knowledge". Quit your boasting. Because what I have just showed you, is that you havent disproved Christianity at all.