If you believe in God...

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="gaming25"]

Why would science make you question religion?

VisigothSaxon

Those hold no weight for or against though. It is inconsequential.

The Big Bang/Evolution vs the Creator.v13_KiiLtz

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Hmm but I am open to science and I study my bible every night, I fail to see how we compare? Were you as devout as I?Lonelynight

Evolution is not proven and therefore not important to science right now it is just a theory. Think again, I am open to science.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] The Big Bang/Evolution vs the Creator.v13_KiiLtz

Those hold no weight for or against though. It is inconsequential.

No? Okay please give me the link that says both of those are factual. If not then your arguement is viod.

[QUOTE="Vax45"][QUOTE="gaming25"]Christianity does answer questions in ways other religions dont. From what perspective do you want to know?gaming25

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]The Big Bang/Evolution vs the Creator.Vax45

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Vax45"] I guess yours?ProjectTrinity

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Those hold no weight for or against though. It is inconsequential.

VisigothSaxon

No? Okay please give me the link that says both of those are factual. If not then your arguement is viod.

[QUOTE="Vax45"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]The Big Bang/Evolution vs the Creator.v13_KiiLtz

Both have yet to be proven/disproven. I am correct.

theories do not count.VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"] Alright, I'm interested. Please bring in your facts that nothingness created the Big Bang. Evolution is not being argued, but the start of it all. The origin point. Scientifically explain to us all how 0 created everything from the Big Bang to today's world. I have no issues accepting the process of Evolution and science in general, because science gets things done. But to my knowledge, neither the magical man or the magical zero thing have one over the other. So, your facts disproving God, please? [And I did note you never specified 'God', but one can assume you meant that.]ProjectTrinity

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[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] Actually.. no.v13_KiiLtz

No? Okay please give me the link that says both of those are factual. If not then your arguement is viod.

Well I mean that in the sense that it cannot have weight because it is not proven. God could disprove those theories just as easily which is why I am saying they are on level ground.

But wouldn't a parent who loves his child save the child even if he is bad? And if we are all God's creation than it means that we are all children of God, it just means that God refuses to accept us unless we repent.Lonelynight

Evolution is not proven and therefore not important to science right now it is just a theory. Think again, I am open to science.VisigothSaxon

They're opposing ideals. Saying the universe began because of the Big Bang trancsends any ideal that states the universe has a Creator. Evolution, if proven to be true, would show that Humans were not made by God.v13_KiiLtz

The Big Bang is very well accepted as well, but don't think of it as the beginning of the universe, think of it as the furthest we can track our history.

We can't come up with a simple explanation of how something could have appeared out of nothing. With our current scientific understanding, even though Dawkins disagrees and he may be right, we can't explain our TRUE origin.

We don't have to associate God with religion and morals.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]theories do not count.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]theories do not count.Lonelynight

Did the bible come overnight? The bible is way older and took a far greater amount of time to be formed. You cannot win that arguement. Why do you persist, what is so wrong, it is a theory accept the facts.

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] So what I believe as fact is now being challenged. While I have no answer on the universe I still think of it as a variable. That is slowly being narrowed down. x=universe, science is a world of theory and facts.Through that theory and tests we understand more and more about the very universe we live in day by day, while uncovering new questions. As in the world of science something that can be added without evidence can be removed without evidence. x=universe + 1 would not appeal to me as it would be x= universe + 1 - 1. One thing you are missing out is I'm not filling that gap with x cannot equal god. I just don't believe x can equal a creator as something creating is just a man made concept making it fiction. There is no evidence giving a creator any more weight then any other theory of the universe. While theories such as string theory for example use what we consider facts to create an plausible idea of the universe. This carries a greater weight then using the fact we are here as proof of a creator.

NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"] But wouldn't a parent who loves his child save the child even if he is bad? And if we are all God's creation than it means that we are all children of God, it just means that God refuses to accept us unless we repent.mindstorm

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] They're opposing ideals. Saying the universe began because of the Big Bang trancsends any ideal that states the universe has a Creator. Evolution, if proven to be true, would show that Humans were not made by God.Vax45

The Big Bang is very well accepted as well, but don't think of it as the beginning of the universe, think of it as the furthest we can track our history.

We can't come up with a simple explanation of how something could have appeared out of nothing.With our current scientific understanding, even though Dawkins disagrees and he may be right, we can't explain our TRUE origin.

We don't have to associate God with religion and morals.

Did you see my reply to you a few comments back?gaming25

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"] But wouldn't a parent who loves his child save the child even if he is bad? And if we are all God's creation than it means that we are all children of God, it just means that God refuses to accept us unless we repent.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"][QUOTE="gaming25"] I will choose one then. Lets go from a historical perspective. Christianity is the only religion that spans its work throughout history.gaming25

Did the bible come overnight? The bible is way older and took a far greater amount of time to be formed. You cannot win that arguement. Why do you persist, what is so wrong, it is a theory accept the facts.VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"] But wouldn't a parent who loves his child save the child even if he is bad? And if we are all God's creation than it means that we are all children of God, it just means that God refuses to accept us unless we repent.Lonelynight

[QUOTE="gaming25"]Did you see my reply to you a few comments back?Vax45

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"]It's a tough choice picking between magical man in the sky versus magical nothingness in the sky. I chose the magical man. ' -'PcGamingRig

My last reply to you. About Christianty.gaming25

[QUOTE="gaming25"]Christianity does answer questions in ways other religions dont. From what perspective do you want to know?Vax45

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] They're opposing ideals. Saying the universe began because of the Big Bang trancsends any ideal that states the universe has a Creator. Evolution, if proven to be true, would show that Humans were not made by God.Vax45

The Big Bang is very well accepted as well, but don't think of it as the beginning of the universe, think of it as the furthest we can track our history.

We can't come up with a simple explanation of how something could have appeared out of nothing. With our current scientific understanding, even though Dawkins disagrees and he may be right, we can't explain our TRUE origin.

We don't have to associate God with religion and morals.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Did the bible come overnight? The bible is way older and took a far greater amount of time to be formed. You cannot win that arguement. Why do you persist, what is so wrong, it is a theory accept the facts.Lonelynight

... The average highschool student today knows different stuff and has not much of a grasp on life compared to those who wrote the bible. Their knowledge is different, do not be the fool that thinks those in the past were not smart. They knew some things better than we do now because they developed a personal knowledge to it, we have a good grasp on many things. The people back then were not knuckle draggers.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Did the bible come overnight? The bible is way older and took a far greater amount of time to be formed. You cannot win that arguement. Why do you persist, what is so wrong, it is a theory accept the facts.Lonelynight

But it being older might show wisdom. And your comment about high schoolers knowing more about the universe than the people who physically wrote Bible is an ignorant thing to say. There was vast knowledge known about the universe back then.

[QUOTE="gaming25"]Christianity does answer questions in ways other religions dont. From what perspective do you want to know?Vax45

I know... but put yourself in a position who believes in God? Then you start opening up to theores of the Big Bang and Evolution?v13_KiiLtz

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

No? Okay please give me the link that says both of those are factual. If not then your arguement is viod.

VisigothSaxon

Well I mean that in the sense that it cannot have weight because it is not proven. God could disprove those theories just as easily which is why I am saying they are on level ground.

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]I know... but put yourself in a position who believes in God? Then you start opening up to theores of the Big Bang and Evolution?Vax45

Oh yes I agree. There's nothing to say that they are "factual". But it would be silly to say one doesn't have "weight" over the other, as you did in the earlier quote.v13_KiiLtz

Well I mean that in the sense that it cannot have weight because it is not proven. God could disprove those theories just as easily which is why I am saying they are on level ground.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] Oh yes I agree. There's nothing to say that they are "factual". But it would be silly to say one doesn't have "weight" over the other, as you did in the earlier quote.v13_KiiLtz

Well I mean that in the sense that it cannot have weight because it is not proven. God could disprove those theories just as easily which is why I am saying they are on level ground.

No, I mean science could prove God just as easily.

[QUOTE="Vax45"][QUOTE="gaming25"]Christianity does answer questions in ways other religions dont. From what perspective do you want to know?gaming25

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"] Okay, for once, I don't have anything quirky/snidy to say on your post. lol " I just don't believe x can equal a creator as something creating is just a man made concept making it fiction." - Could you clarify this quote? If you meant it by: "I'm not extensively excluding the possibility of an existence of a God, just the concept that there is something that creates", I'll issue an apology for wasting your time~ProjectTrinity

Oh, sorry. Okay... what are you getting at?Vax45

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Well I mean that in the sense that it cannot have weight because it is not proven. God could disprove those theories just as easily which is why I am saying they are on level ground.

VisigothSaxon

No, I mean science could prove God just as easily.

[QUOTE="Vax45"][QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"]I know... but put yourself in a position who believes in God? Then you start opening up to theores of the Big Bang and Evolution?v13_KiiLtz

To you it may be. But to me, it is a reckless, uninformed attempt to try and understand something that happened a long time ago without being able to test or prove it out.gaming25

The average highschool student today knows different stuff and has not much of a grasp on life compared to those who wrote the bible. Their knowledge is different, do not be the fool that thinks those in the past were not smart. They knew some things better than we do now because they developed a personal knowledge to it, we have a good grasp on many things. The people back then were not knuckle draggers.VisigothSaxon

But it being older might show wisdom. And your comment about high schoolers knowing more about the universe than the people who physically wrote Bible is an ignorant thing to say. There was vast knowledge known about the universe back then.gaming25

Oh I see :P It kind of depends on what God you're talking about but thats irrelevent. Do you understand what I was going on about now?v13_KiiLtz

EDIT: I'm talking about the philosophical God: The dude that has always been. He's not judging or punishing us, he's just there.

[QUOTE="gaming25"] To you it may be. But to me, it is a reckless, uninformed attempt to try and understand something that happened a long time ago without being able to test or prove it out.v13_KiiLtz

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]The average highschool student today knows different stuff and has not much of a grasp on life compared to those who wrote the bible. Their knowledge is different, do not be the fool that thinks those in the past were not smart. They knew some things better than we do now because they developed a personal knowledge to it, we have a good grasp on many things. The people back then were not knuckle draggers.Lonelynight

But it being older might show wisdom. And your comment about high schoolers knowing more about the universe than the people who physically wrote Bible is an ignorant thing to say. There was vast knowledge known about the universe back then.gaming25

Well that right there disproves your theory on an average high schooler knowing more than what people knew back then.gaming25