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#51 iam2green
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i would make him straight.
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#52 Theokhoth
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How in the hell did this topic turn into a discussion on myths about women ruining the world?
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#53 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Do you mean the act of gay sex is misconduct?Parandrus
Correct. That's true with any sexual act.
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How in the hell did this topic turn into a discussion on myths about women ruining the world?Theokhoth

I think someone mentioned something about everyone being born a sinner. :lol:

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]I'd shout "Snap" and take all his cards.super_mario_128
:o Thats downright mean!

He should have been quicker :P
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]How in the hell did this topic turn into a discussion on myths about women ruining the world?Dark_Knight6

I think someone mentioned something about everyone being born a sinner. :lol:

Well, I suppose it is true that it wouldn't have happened if God made Adam and Steve.

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#57 Dark_Knight6
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i would make him straight. iam2green

...Or make him hate you. Considering you can't become straight, the two must by synonymous.

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#58 chester706
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I wouldnt care and still love him as my son. I would only be a fraction dispointed because I wont be able to tease him and talk to him about girls and stuff lol but thats alright (prob wouldnt want me to do that regardless but its all for fun). Whatever floats his boat though.
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How in the hell did this topic turn into a discussion on myths about women ruining the world?Theokhoth

Don't tell me your on their side.

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#60 buldog300
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[QUOTE="iam2green"]i would make him straight. Dark_Knight6

...Or make him hate you. Considering you can't become straight, the two must by synonymous.

I think he was joking....

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#61 Parandrus
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[QUOTE="Parandrus"]Do you mean the act of gay sex is misconduct?Genetic_Code
Correct. That's true with any sexual act.

So, all sex is misconduct? What about sex for the purpose of procreation? I'm assuming that's the one that you're okay with.
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[QUOTE="iam2green"]i would make him straight. Dark_Knight6

...Or make him hate you. Considering you can't become straight, the two must by synonymous.

Force him to marry a women and after 36 years of happy marriage with 3 kids he has to break the news to her... Their world falls apart! Great story! Sounds like a lifetime movie!
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#63 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]How in the hell did this topic turn into a discussion on myths about women ruining the world?bigfatcrap

Don't tell me your on their side.

My on their side what?

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#64 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Parandrus"]Do you mean the act of gay sex is misconduct?Parandrus
Correct. That's true with any sexual act.

So, all sex is misconduct? What about sex for the purpose of procreation? I'm assuming that's the one that you're okay with.

I think you're seriously misreading him.

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#65 clembo1990
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[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

original sin. It's arguements like these that really test your 'tolerance'.

buldog300

Oh. I thought Christianity was cool with being gay considering Jesus was, he was always kind of happy. As for Homosexuals, yep its even in the ten commandments "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour." can spell the words: "gays are sinners". You have to read between the lines when talking about the Bible.

Jesus was happy, when it was time to enjoy life. His first miracle was turning water into wine, but he also knew when to put away being happy and tell people when they are behaving inappropriately. that's what one can admire about jesus, he didn't hesitate to call sinners what they were.

Actually, you left out quite a few letters, but we're kinda steering away from the main question here. My son, however, should 'honor his mother and father' and if his father disagrees with sexual misconduct (what goes on in his house is entirely different than what goes on in mine), he should not bring any bfs home or behave permiscously, atleast not until he's off to college.

Point 1: children are innocent. That's something I believe and have no justification for believing other than psychology which is subjective at best. Everybody on the planet is either a child or a bigger version of a child, whatever happened to them then shapes who they are now. If they were done wrong onto, they will compensate by taking things back from the world, not caring using the past as justifaction for the present. Morally, we all sin. Pobody's Nefect, it goose without seeying. But you can't say a blank slate is wrong because there's nothing written on it, you can't even say its wrong if it said "1+1=0" because its all just words given meaning while we assess the meaning with the voice in our heads with other words with other attributed meaning. It all gets a bit silly, really, everything when you label something as wrong or right. Point 2: That's understandable. But in the UK we say : "16 and you're ripe for th' pickin'."
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Well, I suppose it is true that it wouldn't have happened if God made Adam and Steve.

Theokhoth

That is, unless Steve thought that sliced fruit would go great in a tossed salad. :P

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So, all sex is misconduct? What about sex for the purpose of procreation? I'm assuming that's the one that you're okay with.Parandrus
Well, I should clarify that ban on sexual misconduct is when he is living dependently. Once he moves out and becomes independent, he can do whatever he so desires.
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#68 Parandrus
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[QUOTE="Parandrus"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] Correct. That's true with any sexual act.Theokhoth

So, all sex is misconduct? What about sex for the purpose of procreation? I'm assuming that's the one that you're okay with.

I think you're seriously misreading him.

Probably. I've been so confused today. I might have to sign off and just resume tomorrow.
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I would think nothing less of him. He's my son, I love him no matter who he sleeps with, though he's a bit young for that now.
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#70 xXInsomniacXx
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The person who made this thread should't have kids at all.

I'd be accepting and proud of him no matter what.

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#71 Parandrus
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[QUOTE="Parandrus"]So, all sex is misconduct? What about sex for the purpose of procreation? I'm assuming that's the one that you're okay with.Genetic_Code
Well, I should clarify that ban on sexual misconduct is when he is living dependently. Once he moves out and becomes independent, he can do whatever he so desires.

Oh, I see what you're saying. My apologies.
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I'd take him to a strip club and show him what he's gonna be missing.
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I wouldn't do anything, but what a disgrace it would be -- I'd respect him and point him in the direction in which is acceptable to society.
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#74 Bloodbath_87
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If you would disown your child because they're gay then maybe you should avoid having kids.
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If you would disown your child because they're gay then maybe you should avoid having kids.Bloodbath_87
Well that's not exactly fair. Most people have children to carry out their legacy or create someone in their own image. If you wanted a split image of yourself, wouldn't you be hurt by the differences? It's similar to a football loving father being disappointing in his son who hates sports.
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Oh, I see what you're saying. My apologies.Parandrus
No problem.
I wouldn't do anything, but what a disgrace it would be -- I'd respect him and point him in the direction in which is acceptable to society.Stevo_the_gamer
Society has been partially to blame for the acceptance of homosexuals, for clarity's sake.
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#77 MKLOL
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I would have no son in that case...:|
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I wouldn't do anything, but what a disgrace it would be -- I'd respect him and point him in the direction in which is acceptable to society.Stevo_the_gamer
If by "society" you mean "traditionalist asses who couldn't tell a skype from an internet because they're so out of touch" then you'd be right. It gets to a point where society doesn't actually matter (ie. who someone decides to have sex with).
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#79 bigfatcrap
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[QUOTE="bigfatcrap"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]How in the hell did this topic turn into a discussion on myths about women ruining the world?Theokhoth

Don't tell me your on their side.

My on their side what?

Damn. Erm. . .stop changing the subject!

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If you're still lacking the maturity to embrace your own child, regardless, then you shouldn't be reproducing.bugtrip
So true.
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How in the hell did this topic turn into a discussion on myths about women ruining the world?Theokhoth
Digression... I am led to believe you like this a lot.
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Wouldn't bother me much. It's his decision, and as long as he's happy I wouldn't care. And TC, you wouldn't honestly kick him out at 18 would you? Thats seriously immature of you, and if you actually believe that then you should never have a son.
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While it's not something I would want for my son, I'd accept it and love him no less.
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I'd be dissapointed.
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[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"]If you would disown your child because they're gay then maybe you should avoid having kids.buldog300
Well that's not exactly fair. Most people have children to carry out their legacy or create someone in their own image. If you wanted a split image of yourself, wouldn't you be hurt by the differences? It's similar to a football loving father being disappointing in his son who hates sports.

Its perfectly fair, why would you even think to have kids if there is a possibility you would disown them? For your legecy? Wanting a kid to continie your legacy is acceptable I suppose, but if they fail to do so, you should support them reguardless. Or else you should not be having children.
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I wouldn't care. If that's the way he is, then so be it.
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[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"]If you would disown your child because they're gay then maybe you should avoid having kids.xXInsomniacXx
Well that's not exactly fair. Most people have children to carry out their legacy or create someone in their own image. If you wanted a split image of yourself, wouldn't you be hurt by the differences? It's similar to a football loving father being disappointing in his son who hates sports.

Its perfectly fair, why would you even think to have kids if there is a possibility you would disown them? For your legecy? Wanting a kid to continie your legacy is acceptable I suppose, but if they fail to do so, you should support them reguardless. Or else you should not be having children.

So are you prolife then? Did you support Sarah Palin not terminating her Child with downs syndrome?

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Well, I don't want kids, so it's not a bridge I am ever going to have to cross.

I would treat him normal I suppose, except I will have to have slightly different growing up conversations: "Well, at least you can't get pregnant son".

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[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"]If you would disown your child because they're gay then maybe you should avoid having kids.buldog300
Well that's not exactly fair. Most people have children to carry out their legacy or create someone in their own image. If you wanted a split image of yourself, wouldn't you be hurt by the differences? It's similar to a football loving father being disappointing in his son who hates sports.

A football loving dad who disowns his son because he doesn't like the sport is someone else who should avoid having kids.
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I'd take him to a strip club and show him what he's gonna be missing.angryguywalking
What if you went to a male strip club by accident.
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#91 buldog300
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[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"]If you would disown your child because they're gay then maybe you should avoid having kids.Bloodbath_87
Well that's not exactly fair. Most people have children to carry out their legacy or create someone in their own image. If you wanted a split image of yourself, wouldn't you be hurt by the differences? It's similar to a football loving father being disappointing in his son who hates sports.

A football loving dad who disowns his son because he doesn't like the sport is someone else who should avoid having kids.

Ah, but what is the fine line between disowning and disapproving of. You raise a child until they're 18 or legally imancipated, no question, but do you have to support his choices, do you have to tolerate his actions, permicsious or otherwise unpleasantly intended?

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#92 xXInsomniacXx
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[QUOTE="xXInsomniacXx"][QUOTE="buldog300"] Well that's not exactly fair. Most people have children to carry out their legacy or create someone in their own image. If you wanted a split image of yourself, wouldn't you be hurt by the differences? It's similar to a football loving father being disappointing in his son who hates sports. buldog300

Its perfectly fair, why would you even think to have kids if there is a possibility you would disown them? For your legecy? Wanting a kid to continie your legacy is acceptable I suppose, but if they fail to do so, you should support them reguardless. Or else you should not be having children.

So are you prolife then? Did you support Sarah Palin not terminating her Child with downs syndrome?

I'm an atheist liberal. But as for abortion, I believe it should only be conducted within three months of pregnancy. Any longer then that, and I believe the child has a right to happiness, along with everyone else.
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#93 buldog300
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[QUOTE="buldog300"]

[QUOTE="xXInsomniacXx"] Its perfectly fair, why would you even think to have kids if there is a possibility you would disown them? For your legecy? Wanting a kid to continie your legacy is acceptable I suppose, but if they fail to do so, you should support them reguardless. Or else you should not be having children. xXInsomniacXx

So are you prolife then? Did you support Sarah Palin not terminating her Child with downs syndrome?

I'm an atheist liberal. But as for abortion, I believe it should only be conducted within three months of pregnancy. Any longer then that, and I believe the child has a right to happiness, along with everyone else.

you and 50000 other OT posters between 3 forums. If your killing any life because it might not potentially be in the image you want, or might not have a perfect life, isn't that just as bad as disowning a son, who in all likelyhood will be mistreated for being homosexual in his life? Are you not essentially banishing the unwated child?

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[QUOTE="xXInsomniacXx"][QUOTE="buldog300"]

So are you prolife then? Did you support Sarah Palin not terminating her Child with downs syndrome?

buldog300

I'm an atheist liberal. But as for abortion, I believe it should only be conducted within three months of pregnancy. Any longer then that, and I believe the child has a right to happiness, along with everyone else.

you and 50000 other OT posters between 3 forums. If your killing any life because it might not potentially be in the image you want, or might not have a perfect life, isn't that just as bad as disowning a son, who in all likelyhood will be mistreated for being homosexual in his life? Are you not essentially banishing the unwated child?

Not exactly,

You shouldn't intentionally have a child if there is the slightest possibility you will not accept him/her for who they are. If the child will be a product of rape or simple immaturity then it is a different story entirely.

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#95 Bloodbath_87
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[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"][QUOTE="buldog300"] Well that's not exactly fair. Most people have children to carry out their legacy or create someone in their own image. If you wanted a split image of yourself, wouldn't you be hurt by the differences? It's similar to a football loving father being disappointing in his son who hates sports. buldog300

A football loving dad who disowns his son because he doesn't like the sport is someone else who should avoid having kids.

Ah, but what is the fine line between disowning and disapproving of. You raise a child until they're 18 or legally imancipated, no question, but do you have to support his choices, do you have to tolerate his actions, permicsious or otherwise unpleasantly intended?

There is a huge difference between disowning and disapproving of. I was talking about disowning in my post...
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I might be a little disappointed, but I would still love him.
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You could make the same argument about having unprotected sex. You shouldn't intentionally have unprotected sex if there is the slightest possibility that you would have an unwanted pregnancy/child. Obviously rape is a special case. But then, it depends on what you define as life. What arbitrary gestational age you use as life and what you use as not life.
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[QUOTE="buldog300"]

[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"] I'm an atheist liberal. But as for abortion, I believe it should only be conducted within three months of pregnancy. Any longer then that, and I believe the child has a right to happiness, along with everyone else. Bloodbath_87

you and 50000 other OT posters between 3 forums. If your killing any life because it might not potentially be in the image you want, or might not have a perfect life, isn't that just as bad as disowning a son, who in all likelyhood will be mistreated for being homosexual in his life? Are you not essentially banishing the unwated child?

Not exactly,

You shouldn't intentionally have a child if there is the slightest possibility you will not accept him/her for who they are. If the child will be a product of rape or simple immaturity then it is a different story entirely.

But there's always a possibility you will not accept a child for who they are. What if they become rapists themselves, or drug dealers, or gang bangers? You wouldn't accpet people who behave in such a manner when we live ina behaved society. your an atheist, so chances are you live by the law that anything that can happen, will happen in this or another universe.

But then again I am one to talk. I believe everyone should live by the philosophy that if you can't feed em, you shouldn't breed em.

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I'd love him unconditionally. You'd have to be a monster to kick him out.
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[QUOTE="buldog300"]

[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"] A football loving dad who disowns his son because he doesn't like the sport is someone else who should avoid having kids.Bloodbath_87

Ah, but what is the fine line between disowning and disapproving of. You raise a child until they're 18 or legally imancipated, no question, but do you have to support his choices, do you have to tolerate his actions, permicsious or otherwise unpleasantly intended?

There is a huge difference between disowning and disapproving of. I was talking about disowning in my post...

and what is, on your own words, disowning? disassociation, abandonment? What exactly?