if you say chinas army is better than usa your are wrong

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#101 sentencedogu
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[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]They do have a bigger ground force. Your "reasons" do not change that fact...tycoonmike

The question is whether or not the Chinese can rely on that "fact" to bring them victory. Which has been shown they can't.


When? So far as I know, the People's Liberation Army has had as many as 350 million souls to call upon for military service only for the past ten years, and barring border skirmishes, China hasn't been involved in any significant war since the Korean War, to my knowledge, and correct me if I'm wrong. They have the potential, yes, but their troops, I will grant you, are relatively untested, barring internal problems. If seriously provoked in a situation like that of the War of 1812, and I only speak hypothetically, I am certain the Chinese would fight to the man to defend the People's Republic.

Weren't you just saying how something like that could not predicted? By your previous logic, their is no reason to assume they would fight back.


Then by your logic, you wouldn't fight back if your country was being invaded? I sure as hell know I would if America were being invaded. If it was your house being bombed, I am damn certain that you would want to scalp and mutiliate the conniving son of a b**** who did that to you. I am absolutely certain that this would be the case, just as the Russians did during WW2, they fought back, losing millions of lives, to purge the Germans from their doorstep. It is human nature, the nature that you and I share, that dictates this.

We can only predict things off of our experiences in the world. I watched as my parents fought with the school I go to now to keep me in it and out of the Godawful school whose district I technically lived in, and I am certain they would fight and lose it all just so I could get a proper education, just as I am certain that the Chinese, nay, any people, would fight and lose it all just so the next generation didn't have to fight their war. So long as a war has the support of the people, the people will fight it. If America was being invaded by Iran or North Korea, then we would be in unison shouting "Death to the Invader!" Instead, we are disunited against Al-Qaeda. When it is your own land being threatened, people will do extraordinary things to ensure that their lives, or the lives of the next generation, are protected.

Perhaps I shouldn't have said "People's Republic." I meant the Chinese homeland. Not the government itself. Oops :oops:


thats the funny part
do you really believe in todays world that China,Iran,(once)Iraq or terrorists can invade USA?
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#102 OODALOOP
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You're correct. The Chinese military, while larger in number, is not a better military. I believe that only the simplest people would even attempt to argue otherwise. It's a reductivist argument, and only demonstrates an ignorance regarding militaries and war.
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#103 tycoonmike
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"]

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]They do have a bigger ground force. Your "reasons" do not change that fact...sentencedogu

The question is whether or not the Chinese can rely on that "fact" to bring them victory. Which has been shown they can't.


When? So far as I know, the People's Liberation Army has had as many as 350 million souls to call upon for military service only for the past ten years, and barring border skirmishes, China hasn't been involved in any significant war since the Korean War, to my knowledge, and correct me if I'm wrong. They have the potential, yes, but their troops, I will grant you, are relatively untested, barring internal problems. If seriously provoked in a situation like that of the War of 1812, and I only speak hypothetically, I am certain the Chinese would fight to the man to defend the People's Republic.

Weren't you just saying how something like that could not predicted? By your previous logic, their is no reason to assume they would fight back.


Then by your logic, you wouldn't fight back if your country was being invaded? I sure as hell know I would if America were being invaded. If it was your house being bombed, I am damn certain that you would want to scalp and mutiliate the conniving son of a b**** who did that to you. I am absolutely certain that this would be the case, just as the Russians did during WW2, they fought back, losing millions of lives, to purge the Germans from their doorstep. It is human nature, the nature that you and I share, that dictates this.

We can only predict things off of our experiences in the world. I watched as my parents fought with the school I go to now to keep me in it and out of the Godawful school whose district I technically lived in, and I am certain they would fight and lose it all just so I could get a proper education, just as I am certain that the Chinese, nay, any people, would fight and lose it all just so the next generation didn't have to fight their war. So long as a war has the support of the people, the people will fight it. If America was being invaded by Iran or North Korea, then we would be in unison shouting "Death to the Invader!" Instead, we are disunited against Al-Qaeda. When it is your own land being threatened, people will do extraordinary things to ensure that their lives, or the lives of the next generation, are protected.

Perhaps I shouldn't have said "People's Republic." I meant the Chinese homeland. Not the government itself. Oops :oops:


thats the funny part
do you really believe in todays world that China,Iran,(once)Iraq or terrorists can invade USA?


I believe it to be entirely possible. Improbable, incredibly, but possible, yes.
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#104 Lemur543
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sure chinas ground force are bigger but thats only because they have 1billion people
plus most of there hardware is still lagging behind it basically
a 300 lb fat man versus a 250 pound man whos is in shape and is all muscle

cliffs: us>china
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Who the hell said anything about China and USA's armys??
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#105 comp_atkins
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To all you noobs, china and u.s will never go to war....in this decade or the next. It is virtually impossible considering the trade and economic factors between the two (and in this day of age, that matters a lot). The States need China as does China needs the U.S. THe only chances of war occuring is probably the disagrement between Taiwan, and at most it will be just a minor political argument . I dont think both countries will go to war specifically for that one. But in the next 30 years, once China is fully developed, then it is sure there will be global changes that will seriously impact political and economic relations between the two countries. If I have to predict, once China is on the same level as the U.S, both will compete for influence in the world. And I seriously think that is the most integral part of world power. Influence is what brought the U.S to where it is in the past 40 years and what brought Russia down. If U.S does not fix its foreign reputation globaly, China would most likely fill that void (if done correctly) and once that happen, tensions would surely arise AND THAT IS NOT GOOD. Fkid
competition for global energy resources could also put the two nations at odds with each other...
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#106 Lemur543
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this thread is really randombadaboom187
Welcome to OT, my friend.
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Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

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#108 tycoonmike
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You're correct. The Chinese military, while larger in number, is not a better military. I believe that only the simplest people would even attempt to argue otherwise. It's a reductivist argument, and only demonstrates an ignorance regarding militaries and war.bt_the_great_78

So then if I, outfitted with the latest in technology for a single soldier, would survive against three, technologically inferior, soldiers, armed with something like an axe? So far as I know, the more technology you have, the more complicated war becomes, and if you are in the middle of attempting to adjust a vernier on whatever weapon or weapons you have, I'm certain that your skull would be bashed in by one of the folks with an axe.
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Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

jointed
That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.
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Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

jointed
*is not,to the slightest, surprised by comment*
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[QUOTE="slackersunited"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="slackersunited"]Chinese people will never rule the World. Europeans 4ever!Dasc00
I'm actually convinced you are a racist from this post and the topic you made. good job.

Being proud + european= racist? yea, and I'm the racist.

Eureopeans 4ever...kind of sounded like you think you're superior.

You must be an American liberal democrat. :|
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

bt_the_great_78

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

 that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

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#113 TheManOfChoice
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The Chinese army itself is not better than USA's, but China would definately win a war against USA if they got in one just by numbers alone.

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#114 bigglesbear
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I think it is a moot point. China couldn't invade the US but the US couldn't invade China. Also they both depend on each other to much.
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#115 OODALOOP
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

jointed

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

bt_the_great_78

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

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#117 tao_bromley
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Edge is greater than you all.
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#118 OODALOOP
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

jointed

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.
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#119 Dasc00
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[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="slackersunited"][QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="slackersunited"]Chinese people will never rule the World. Europeans 4ever!Stevo_the_gamer
I'm actually convinced you are a racist from this post and the topic you made. good job.

Being proud + european= racist? yea, and I'm the racist.

Eureopeans 4ever...kind of sounded like you think you're superior.

You must be an American liberal democrat. :|

I'm niether.
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#120 Dasc00
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To my knowledge, both sides are equal. Niether could invade eachother.
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#121 tao_bromley
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To my knowledge, both sides are equal. Niether could invade eachother.Dasc00
Neither should have no reason to invade eachother.
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

bt_the_great_78

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.

You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......

Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...

EU's economy isnt better than China's and the USA's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

please tell my why I'm naive

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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

jointed

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

 that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Please. Stop. Breathing.

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#124 CaptHawkeye
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

jointed

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.

You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......

Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...

EU's economy isnt better than China's and the USA's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

please tell my why I'm naive

For starters, you're using Wikipedia, which is not a trustworthy means of obtaining information.

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

CaptHawkeye

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.

You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......

Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...

EU's economy isnt better than China's and the USA's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

please tell my why I'm naive

For starters, you're using Wikipedia, which is not a trustworthy means of obtaining information.

oh my god......

The list is taken directly from the world banks website.............

stop beat around the bush

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[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

jointed

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.


and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.

You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......

Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...

EU's economy isnt better than China's and the USA's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

please tell my why I'm naive

For starters, you're using Wikipedia, which is not a trustworthy means of obtaining information.

oh my god......

The list is taken directly from the world banks website.............

stop beat around the bush

and in the world banks souce it is not a country, in fact it is not listed by the world bank. the US is 1 on it if you look to the right
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China's army has the potential to be better, but it just isnt.
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

UrbanSpartan125

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.


and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.

You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......

Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...

EU's economy isnt better than China's and the USA's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

please tell my why I'm naive

For starters, you're using Wikipedia, which is not a trustworthy means of obtaining information.

oh my god......

The list is taken directly from the world banks website.............

stop beat around the bush

and in the world banks souce it is not a country, in fact it is not listed by the world bank. the US is 1 on it if you look to the right

It doesnt matter if it's a nation or a supranational union, it still has a better economy than both China and the US....

the US is 1rst according to the CIA......lol

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[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

jointed

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.

You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......

Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...

EU's economy isnt better than China's and the USA's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

please tell my why I'm naive

For starters, you're using Wikipedia, which is not a trustworthy means of obtaining information.

oh my god......

The list is taken directly from the world banks website.............

stop beat around the bush

Then link us straight to World Bank and not to Wikipedia. Wikipedia favors nuetrality in its articles and research. It favors them over correct information and actual value. Wikipedia's logic follows the "Well, I say that 2 + 2 = 5 because it's my opinion, so therefore, it's ok to believe that."

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#130 UrbanSpartan125
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China's army has the potential to be better, but it just isnt.Mirai_Trunks
China lacks the resources to become a great military power, they have migs from the 50's, their newsest tank isnt even on track with our vietnam era tanks. Their government is about to collapse from the inside, they wouldnt stand a chance against us or our weaponry.
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

CaptHawkeye

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.

You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......

Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...

EU's economy isnt better than China's and the USA's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

please tell my why I'm naive

For starters, you're using Wikipedia, which is not a trustworthy means of obtaining information.

oh my god......

The list is taken directly from the world banks website.............

stop beat around the bush

Then link us straight to World Bank and not to Wikipedia. Wikipedia favors nuetrality in its articles and research. It favors them over correct information and actual value. Wikipedia's logic follows the "Well, I say that 2 + 2 = 5 because it's my opinion, so therefore, it's ok to believe that."

I linked you to wikipedia because it contained 2 more lists from banks and founds that confirmed my arguement....

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[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

jointed

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.

You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......

Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...

EU's economy isnt better than China's and the USA's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

please tell my why I'm naive

For starters, you're using Wikipedia, which is not a trustworthy means of obtaining information.

oh my god......

The list is taken directly from the world banks website.............

stop beat around the bush

Then link us straight to World Bank and not to Wikipedia. Wikipedia favors nuetrality in its articles and research. It favors them over correct information and actual value. Wikipedia's logic follows the "Well, I say that 2 + 2 = 5 because it's my opinion, so therefore, it's ok to believe that."

I linked you to wikipedia because it contained 2 more lists from banks and founds that confirmed my arguement....

Now YOU are beating around the bush. Even when Wikipedia cites information, they will only cite what they consider to be "fair" to both or all sides. They are not above slandering information to maintain their policies.

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You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...jointed
First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Well since Chinas army is waaaaaay larger and is almost as up to date as the united states it's better......That "Their army isnt up-to-date and they use old stuff" comment may have worked in the 80s but not now....they've spent billions of dollars to re-new their army.

And by the way...The Abrams Tank SUCKS.........and if it finally came to an all out war:

EU > China > USA

CaptHawkeye

That's ridiculous, but then again, you have no personal experience nor knowledge of the subject, so it doesn't surprise me.

and you have?

What's ridicolous?

that EU comment was a joke.....EU is against armies....

Yes, it's exactly my line of work, you could say. The EU isn't a military alliance, and China is developing at a considerable speed, and in time may be a dominant economic, cultural, and political power, but as of yet, they have not even begun to compete with the United States militarily.

Your line of work? To know if the US is stronger than given nation? If you mean being in the army your arguement is kinda stupid........great.....

As I said, EU doesnt have a military, but it does have a better economy than both China and the US.....

I'm not in the Army, and you're hardly in the position to be calling other's arguments stupid. It is your claim that demonstrates an unawareness and naivety. Ad hominem isn't a very effective means of damage control.

You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......

Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...

EU's economy isnt better than China's and the USA's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

please tell my why I'm naive

For starters, you're using Wikipedia, which is not a trustworthy means of obtaining information.

oh my god......

The list is taken directly from the world banks website.............

stop beat around the bush

Then link us straight to World Bank and not to Wikipedia. Wikipedia favors nuetrality in its articles and research. It favors them over correct information and actual value. Wikipedia's logic follows the "Well, I say that 2 + 2 = 5 because it's my opinion, so therefore, it's ok to believe that."

I linked you to wikipedia because it contained 2 more lists from banks and founds that confirmed my arguement....

Now YOU are beating around the bush. Even when Wikipedia cites information, they will only cite what they consider to be "fair" to both or all sides. They are not above slandering information to maintain their policies.

I were not beating around the bush...

It's not like it's wikipedia's "opinion" wikipedia is just stating fact, and proving it by giving us links and even showing us the lists from the webpages.....and yes, the wepages are reliable

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#135 OODALOOP
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Secondly, we choose to use our resources on our military. We spent over $465 billion in the past year, whereas the rest of the entire world combined only spent $500 billion (China spent $65 billion of that number).
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[QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...bt_the_great_78
First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.


Considering you need people to operate tanks, planes, ships, missiles, and guns, the number of people you have is incredibly relevant. If you have a force of 10,000 men and only have 1,000 guns, no matter how technologically advanced you are, you're going to lose because of lack of firepower.
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1. Who said this?

2. So what?

3. Doesn't matter. Within thirty years, China will be the leader of the global market economy.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...bt_the_great_78
First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...tycoonmike
First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.


Considering you need people to operate tanks, planes, ships, missiles, and guns, the number of people you have is incredibly relevant. If you have a force of 10,000 men and only have 1,000 guns, no matter how technologically advanced you are, you're going to lose because of lack of firepower.

The President and SecDef have capped the military. There are millions of men and women who are attempting to both enlist and seek commissions in the armed forces. Many occupations are closed fields and the amount of officer candidates accepted annually is very limited and selective. We have an overabundance of people who are willing to fill the positions required.
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...jointed

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

it is no where near the technology of the US military, you need to do some research before you do ignorant posts like that
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...jointed

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

It wouldn't matter if it were a billion against a million. If there is a considerably greater strategic and tactical advantage on one side, it just means more dead.
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...UrbanSpartan125

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

it is no where near the technology of the US military, you need to do some research before you do ignorant posts like that

Ignorant posts like this? comming from you?! I wont even begin to debate with you.......remember last time ?

no where near? well for starters ..their tanks and their infantry eqippment is more modern than americas...

damn I began...

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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...bt_the_great_78

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

It wouldn't matter if it were a billion against a million. If there is a considerably greater strategic and tactical advantage on one side, it just means more dead.

no,

just look at the russians during world war 2, they only gave their soldiers a rifle and 2 ammo clips and look what they accomplished.......It is true that numbers arent everything but when it comes to this many troops more and such a little technological advantage it's not irrelevant

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[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...jointed

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

it is no where near the technology of the US military, you need to do some research before you do ignorant posts like that

no where near? well for starters ..their tanks and their infantry eqippment is more modern than americas...

You are, very, very, very, wrong about this. The standard weapon of the Chinese army is still the Ak-47, which, last I checked, was older then even the M-14.

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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...jointed

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

It wouldn't matter if it were a billion against a million. If there is a considerably greater strategic and tactical advantage on one side, it just means more dead.

no,

just look at the russians during world war 2, they only gave their soldiers a rifle and 2 ammo clips and look what they accomplished.......It is true that numbers arent everything but when it comes to this many troops more and such a little technological advantage it's not irrelevant

Are you actually using instances from movies and video games as factual information? What makes you think Russian supply was that way through the entire war?  Are you aware that Russian equipment was actually equal to German equipment? Have you heard of the Il-2 Sturmovik? SVT-40? T-3****ing4?

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just look at the russians during world war 2, they only gave their soldiers a rifle and 2 ammo clips and look what they accomplished.......It is true that numbers arent everything but when it comes to this many troops more and such a little technological advantage it's not irrelevantjointed
I'll let you in on something: World War II will never be refought. Making assumptions about modern warfare based upon the battles of World War II will only lead you astray. Today we would need only a few missiles and all of Russia's men would have been wiped out.
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...CaptHawkeye

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

it is no where near the technology of the US military, you need to do some research before you do ignorant posts like that

no where near? well for starters ..their tanks and their infantry eqippment is more modern than americas...

You are, very, very, very, wrong about this. The standard weapon of the Chinese army is still the Ak-47, which, last I checked, was older then even the M-14.

no I'm not wrong at all....The standard Chinese assault rifle is QBZ-95....

Their tanks are simply better than the Abrams.....

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well for starters ..their tanks and their infantry eqippment is more modern than americasjointed
That's a good one.
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...jointed

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

it is no where near the technology of the US military, you need to do some research before you do ignorant posts like that

Ignorant posts like this? comming from you?! I wont even begin to debate with you.......remember last time ?

no where near? well for starters ..their tanks and their infantry eqippment is more modern than americas...

damn I began...

lol, that is very funny. they have no where near the capabilities of america infact they dont even have a networked Soldier system as we do the Land Warrior. They dont even have concepts of soldiers that would give them situational awareness on the battlefield.
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[QUOTE="jointed"] just look at the russians during world war 2, they only gave their soldiers a rifle and 2 ammo clips and look what they accomplished.......It is true that numbers arent everything but when it comes to this many troops more and such a little technological advantage it's not irrelevantbt_the_great_78
I'll let you in on something: World War II will never be refought. Making assumptions about modern warfare based upon the battles of World War II will only lead you astray. Today we would need only a few missiles and all of Russia's men would have been wiped out.

Dude I were showing you an example.........No matter how much more superior the german wermacht were they couldnt hold the russians back....the same goes for america and the Chinese......