if you say chinas army is better than usa your are wrong

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#301 gokurocks2442
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sure chinas ground force are bigger but thats only because they have 1billion people
plus most of there hardware is still lagging behind it basically
a 300 lb fat man versus a 250 pound man whos is in shape and is all muscle

cliffs: us>china
MrJesusisnthere

Hmm wtf is with usa people!! China>USA and if there was some massive war between asia and usa obviosly asia would win!!

China=More people+Good weapons

USA had the best army in WW2 because men were forced to go to war and its not like that in the USA anymore! China is not all fat either!! I could guarentee that china could wipe the floor with the usa if it was a Head to head combat. Not all U.S.A men are muscle either. You think the china army accepts fat a**es??? So what if the USA has nukes and shiet. I think the USA is a disgrace country! Think about it

Half of america is fat (No offence)
America is out for oil (Iraq has oil!!) (My opinion)
George bush is a retard (Fact!!)

USA the best country in the world?? NO!
USA has the most nukes?? YES!!

God! if usa ever started a war with china i bet japan and other asian countries would side with china anyways so it wouldn't matter if usa had the better army because they would end up losing


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#302 Bidiot
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Why would an entire continent declear war on us? Or vice versa, I don't even know if a continent can declear war. Their weapons aren't state of the art like ours are though, And a lot of chinese soldiers are conscripts who don't want to be in their military. Germany had the best army in WW2, Who said all American men are muscles, but the troops are in good shape for the most part. And Like I stated the Chinese army has conscripts so who knows what shape they're in. You made no points in that paragraph, Think about it.(Think about what any way?) True A good portion of Americans are fat, like most countries. Then why not invade Iran which has a much weaker army and much larger oil fields? His IQ is higher then the IQ defined for retardation and He's not in control of battle tactics. Agreed, there is no best country in the world. Agreed agian. Why would our allies like Russia, Japan, and South Korea side with a country that does not gave good diplomatic ties with them what so ever? Due to your ignorance on the subject and your random 'facts' I would have to assume you are under the age of 15 and have no knowlage of political affairs in any time.
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#303 gokurocks2442
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[QUOTE="biocunsumer"]Why would an entire continent declear war on us? Or vice versa, I don't even know if a continent can declear war. Their weapons aren't state of the art like ours are though, And a lot of chinese soldiers are conscripts who don't want to be in their military. Germany had the best army in WW2, Who said all American men are muscles, but the troops are in good shape for the most part. And Like I stated the Chinese army has conscripts so who knows what shape they're in. You made no points in that paragraph, Think about it.(Think about what any way?) True A good portion of Americans are fat, like most countries. Then why not invade Iran which has a much weaker army and much larger oil fields? His IQ is higher then the IQ defined for retardation and He's not in control of battle tactics. Agreed, there is no best country in the world. Agreed agian. Why would our allies like Russia, Japan, and South Korea side with a country that does not gave good diplomatic ties with them what so ever? Due to your ignorance on the subject and your random 'facts' I would have to assume you are under the age of 15 and have no knowlage of political affairs in any time.

hmmm.....ok i im not going to lie i am under 15 (i am 14) . Im just mad at usa and you cant blame me! Im tired of hearing american citzens say (We will nuke that **** out of them) USA, USA, USA thats all i hear!! I live in canada and what do i see on my tv?? CNN talking about whos going to be the next american president and do i give a ****??? NO!! i dont think any canadian does. If you had to live in canada and listen to a bunch of american bastards make fun of the canadian accent and listen to them say $HI* about canada thats not even true you would be pissed off to! Oo canada is soo cold!! Uhh...have you ever been here in summer?? Canadians are hockey nuts. (Yup every canadian has to like hockey!) of **** fine...but it would be nice for a change to hear something like "China has a better army then america" Because that could be true or intrue and i doubt anybody will be finding out for awhile. But seriously....CNN is good for what in canada? Listening how anna nicole smith died?? Or listening to glenn beck make fun of the canadian military (Seriously is it wrong to be a peacefull country??) Why don't you come live in canada for awhile! Southpark even makes fun of canada, Im sure america sure gets a kik out of it to. Of course im not saying all americans and yes theres problems with every country but theres way to much arrogance going on in the world "Take me for a example!" Im pissed off at americans for many things! and it takes the advantage of me. It would be nice to live in a world where war didnt exist and everybody wasn't so greedy
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#304 MagnumPI
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  pfft, wars aren't fought with Brigades of men anymore, not even an entire company nor platoon of infantry is sent out on a mission anymore.

  It's all about the attack helicopters, fighter Jets, Bombers, Strykers, Tanks and other vehicles/aircraft. Waves of men are no good, because an appache or a Cobra could lay waste to all of them on a single pass. The Loach does a fine job of gunning down a mob of men aswell. On a single pass a loach puts down thousands of rounds with it's mini guns.

  They might have more men, but we out gun them by leaps and bounds. The Helicopter and tank dominate the battle field. They can easily lay waste to thousands of men. That's why our Army cutback on infinatry divisions. Tanks, attack helicopters, artilery, airstrikes, The Special Forces, Rangers, Delta and Special Operations do all of the damage. What good is more men when a single heavily armored and heavily armed vehicle or aircraft can slice through 50-100 or more men?

  The funny think about the appache.. it has asstealth rotor system. So you can't hear it until it's above you. It's fully night & thermal vision equiped. So it's best for hovering right ups someone's ass during the night then. As long as the chinese stay above ground we could scout for them during the night then blow em way with the 20mm. That's what they did during Desert Storm.

 

 

 

 

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#305 LJS9502_basic
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its kinda sad, when poeple are proud that they have a bigger army. . . its like saying "hey guess what guys, we put billions of more dollars a year into makeing are country better and more efficient at killing"mozzle
Or defense..........
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#306 Doomlike_Mitc
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Whatever... I think Amerika still will have a big problem beating China, it will most likely be massacre, both sides will have big scares left if such an war would come, dont forget China got Russia, and other asian allies... and together they will make one hell of a force. But such and war wont come when we are alive, but I damn hope EU and USA keep there military power, especially EU needs to grow, WW3 will come and we better be prepared.
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#307 LJS9502_basic
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Whatever... I think Amerika still will have a big problem beating China, it will most likely be massacre, both sides will have big scares left if such an war would come, dont forget China got Russia, and other asian allies... and together they will make one hell of a force. But such and war wont come when we are alive, but I damn hope EU and USA keep there military power, especially EU needs to grow, WW3 will come and we better be prepared.
Doomlike_Mitc

Allies weren't included in this discussion....so that part of your post is out.  It isn't like the US wouldn't have allies.

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[QUOTE="Doomlike_Mitc"]Whatever... I think Amerika still will have a big problem beating China, it will most likely be massacre, both sides will have big scares left if such an war would come, dont forget China got Russia, and other asian allies... and together they will make one hell of a force. But such and war wont come when we are alive, but I damn hope EU and USA keep there military power, especially EU needs to grow, WW3 will come and we better be prepared.
LJS9502_basic

Allies weren't included in this discussion....so that part of your post is out. It isn't like the US wouldn't have allies.



See in my post how I have addet US its most active allies, the EU.
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#309 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Doomlike_Mitc"]Whatever... I think Amerika still will have a big problem beating China, it will most likely be massacre, both sides will have big scares left if such an war would come, dont forget China got Russia, and other asian allies... and together they will make one hell of a force. But such and war wont come when we are alive, but I damn hope EU and USA keep there military power, especially EU needs to grow, WW3 will come and we better be prepared.
Doomlike_Mitc

Allies weren't included in this discussion....so that part of your post is out. It isn't like the US wouldn't have allies.



See in my post how I have addet US its most active allies, the EU.

Allies or not....I still think the US would eventually come out on top.

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#310 P2L5NM
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my army can beat up your army :)
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#311 CaptHawkeye
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"its kinda sad, when poeple are proud that they have a bigger army. . . its like saying "hey guess what guys, we put billions of more dollars a year into makeing are country better and more efficient at killing" War is in mankind's nature, regardless of how you want it to be or how you want the world to exist. Men are evil, and power hungry. And the only thing standing inbetween you and oppression is your army. Get used to it.
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#312 CaptHawkeye
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[QUOTE="Media_geek20"]

1. Who said this?

2. So what?

3. Doesn't matter. Within thirty years, China will be the leader of the global market economy.

1337_ownage



thanks you

1337, shut up, you have no idea what you're talking about, and all of your claims have been put down by a man who's subject of study is China.

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#313 zsc4
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Of course, China has a weaker army.. but if it wants a stronger army and military it can do it. Whereas it would be tough for America to improve theirs. And if China improves theirs... they will be stronger..
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]Oh really? You made it into an anti-American thread by proclaiming it to be an anti-American thread. Had you not said, this, I wouldn't have gone off on a rant against America, thus the thread wouldn't have become that which you proclaimed it to be. If you had gone off in an anti-American rant, I can guarantee you I would have gone off on a pro-America rant, so you can just thank yourself for making it into what you clearly hate. bt_the_great_78
Are you seriously trying to tell me that I forced you to be an idiot?

Everything in this world requires a catalyst for it to take place. Cause and effect. You proclaimed the thread to be an anti-American thread (solely because we think another army is stronger, mind you) and I responded by going on an anti-America rant. I see no reason why you had to state the obvious, and inflict this upon yourself. If anything, you should know this better than anyone. You, supposedly (for I never fully trust the word of someone on an anonymous forum site) have friends in the military. You could question them if something like a normal M-16 will fire without a human component to pull its trigger. I'm fairly certain it can't, barring extraordinary circumstances. [QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Your friends protect my freedoms to complain, as the military did during every single war ever fought by America. If I do not have that freedom, then please, show me where in the Constitution or in the Bill of Rights where it says this. Otherwise I will continue complaining, because it is that freedom, the ability to whine and complain about the government and its idiocy, that makes this country great.

Yes, freedom of speech exists. Constructive criticism, even when it's not what is easy to always hear is a great thing. Whining about how the country sucks and doing nothing, however, is not something I ever considered I was fighting to provide you with. No one ever suggested you weren't free to be a do-nothing complainer. I merely wondered why you would want to stay in a place you didn't like. Be my guest and lay around and feel sorry for yourself.

As long as there is freedom of speech you fight for that right. Perhaps you should reconsider your position in the military, or at least your friend's positions in the military if you don't think that's right. I also gave solutions as to how to fix things when I debated my points with LJS, perhaps you should go look for that post of mine.

And another thing, only around three times did I see you give a logical argument for your point. All you basically did was insult the people that you were debating with. To give you an example, look up page 17, final post. You called me a six year old. I don't mind debating, so long as my opponent doesn't insult me.

And a second thing, if you didn't like my past arguments, why didn't you quote me on them and question them, rather than my present arguments, if you did actually read them?

Oh, and one more thing, the only reason why I didn't list good things about America was because I asked you to do that. You, apparently, didn't, thus why are you complaining to me about something I asked you to do?
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]I gave you the evidence of past battles to support why China's army is better than America's, in some ways, because of numbers, which I used in threads past and present. You obviously ignored it.bt_the_great_78
You have provided nothing but unsupported (and foolish) claims.

Ah, and yet I supported them quite extensively. You came in around page ten of the posts, after when I gave my examples and arguments about how, basically, World War Two was won through numbers, not technology. If you missed the map, here it is again. It shows how far more countries and colonies were involved in WWII on the Allied side then on the Axis side. Considering the technological advantage that the Axis had in the beginning, if numbers didn't mean a whole lot, they should have been able to overrun the Soviet Union and Britain. Once again, I will agree that the majority of the countries were allies in name only and that Wikipedia isn't an incredibly reliable source.
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]Oh, and before you tell me to grow up, fix your spelling. It's SierrA Leone.
bt_the_great_78
Thanks for the tip. I can imagine how pointing out a typo must have given you small thrill.


You're right, that was childish of me, and I apologize.
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#315 acegunslinger
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Doomlike_Mitc"]Whatever... I think Amerika still will have a big problem beating China, it will most likely be massacre, both sides will have big scares left if such an war would come, dont forget China got Russia, and other asian allies... and together they will make one hell of a force. But such and war wont come when we are alive, but I damn hope EU and USA keep there military power, especially EU needs to grow, WW3 will come and we better be prepared.
Doomlike_Mitc

Allies weren't included in this discussion....so that part of your post is out. It isn't like the US wouldn't have allies.



See in my post how I have addet US its most active allies, the EU.

China has no allies...
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#316 fluffers623
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numbers make differences. chinese could send like 30000 troops to attack something and we may only have 3k. ALso america is worried is that in 5 year, china will be tied with us in economic power. america is afraid that china will soon become #1. Also, china likes iran when it comes to oil.
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#317 towel_
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pfft, wars aren't fought with Brigades of men anymore, not even an entire company nor platoon of infantry is sent out on a mission anymore. MagnumPI

:|

The Battle of  Fallujah consisted of  4  Marine Light Infantry battalions and 2 Army Mechanized battalions in support. A battalion consists of 3-5 companies, with a total of 300 to 1,200 soldiers or Marines.  To say that no platoon or company size operations happen any more is moronic.
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#318 MagnumPI
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[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

pfft, wars aren't fought with Brigades of men anymore, not even an entire company nor platoon of infantry is sent out on a mission anymore. towel_

:|

The Battle of  Fallujah consisted of  4  Marine Light Infantry battalions and 2 Army Mechanized battalions in support. A battalion consists of 3-5 companies, with a total of 300 to 1,200 soldiers or Marines.  To say that no platoon or company size operations happen any more is moronic.

  I know a division allocations and strength. Somebody always has to split hairs and miss the point. Yes, I mean you. Very rarely do they deploy that many men to conduct a mission.  That's a lot of men to deploy on one day within one area to conduct one operation. Seems like too many.

  So they may deploy a few battlalions or an entire brigade for a bit of shock & Awe every now again, but it's rare enough to say never. Sure, if they are going to assault an enemy fortress or strong hold it would only be common sense to take a brigrade if enemy strength is estimated to be a brigrade. But you really don't need that many men. It's redundant. Just let the tanks, artilery and airstrikes pound on them out then when they have little to no AA defenses left bring in air support.

  So I'll refrase that. Every once and a while they may deploy a lot of men to conduct one mission in one area within one day, but rarely.