if you say chinas army is better than usa your are wrong

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#201 acegunslinger
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[QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

America's technology aint good enough to compensate for the numbers they lack if fighting china

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It's not like our military is depleted dude.....and numbers can't help you against superior technology and firepower....that just means more casualties.

Superior technology can help you in almost every occasion....but the technological gap between China and the US isnt great enough to compensate the number advantage

It did when Israel went head to head with its Arab neighbors.

yea but the gap wasnt as great as the one between China and America

You just killed your own argument...

how exactly? :?

The number gap wasnt as great as the one between China and the US.........that's not killing my arguement....

My bad, I misread your statement. However, the Six Day War still proves the disparity between Western vs. Soviet- style tactics. Still though, look to history. The Greeks against the Persians. It was literally tens of thousands of Greeks against over a million Persians, and the Greeks came out on top.
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#202 OODALOOP
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.tycoonmike
Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

America may or may not be evil, but we are militarily superior. So, your only achievement with this admission is showing me that you do in fact have an agenda.
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...UrbanSpartan125

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

it is no where near the technology of the US military, you need to do some research before you do ignorant posts like that

Ignorant posts like this? comming from you?! I wont even begin to debate with you.......remember last time ?

no where near? well for starters ..their tanks and their infantry eqippment is more modern than americas...

damn I began...

lol, that is very funny. they have no where near the capabilities of america infact they dont even have a networked Soldier system as we do the Land Warrior. They dont even have concepts of soldiers that would give them situational awareness on the battlefield.



The Land Warrior program was cancelled. Though other similar programs continue, they won't be standard issue for a long time.
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what i can asure you guys that america will never be the most powerfull country in the world forever  they will fall eventualy.
 
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what i can asure you guys that america will never be the most powerfull country in the world forever they will fall eventualy.
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All empires eventually collapse.
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This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.bt_the_great_78
You never cease to amuse me bt. :D
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#207 EboyLOL
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Well obviously we are better... we have better technology.
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

America's technology aint good enough to compensate for the numbers they lack if fighting china

acegunslinger

It's not like our military is depleted dude.....and numbers can't help you against superior technology and firepower....that just means more casualties.

Superior technology can help you in almost every occasion....but the technological gap between China and the US isnt great enough to compensate the number advantage

It did when Israel went head to head with its Arab neighbors.

yea but the gap wasnt as great as the one between China and America

You just killed your own argument...

how exactly? :?

The number gap wasnt as great as the one between China and the US.........that's not killing my arguement....

My bad, I misread your statement. However, the Six Day War still proves the disparity between Western vs. Soviet- style tactics. Still though, look to history. The Greeks against the Persians. It was literally tens of thousands of Greeks against over a million Persians, and the Greeks came out on top.

You are right

But I still don't think american technology can compensate the huge gap.....

Imagine a fully armed feudal knight against 10 men with only sticks......even though the knight can hold stand for a while he will eventually fall due to the number gap.....the same goes for China and The US....the technology gap just isnt as big as the knight and the men with sticks...

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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.tycoonmike
Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism
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[QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

America's technology aint good enough to compensate for the numbers they lack if fighting china

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It's not like our military is depleted dude.....and numbers can't help you against superior technology and firepower....that just means more casualties.

Superior technology can help you in almost every occasion....but the technological gap between China and the US isnt great enough to compensate the number advantage

It did when Israel went head to head with its Arab neighbors.

yea but the gap wasnt as great as the one between China and America

You just killed your own argument...

how exactly? :?

The number gap wasnt as great as the one between China and the US.........that's not killing my arguement....

My bad, I misread your statement. However, the Six Day War still proves the disparity between Western vs. Soviet- style tactics. Still though, look to history. The Greeks against the Persians. It was literally tens of thousands of Greeks against over a million Persians, and the Greeks came out on top.

You are right

But I still don't think american technology can compensate the huge gap.....

Imagine a fully armed feudal knight against 10 men with only sticks......even though the knight can hold stand for a while he will eventually fall due to the number gap.....the same goes for China and The US....the technology gap just isnt as big as the knight and the men with sticks...

The funny thing is I think the Knight would win...
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.LukeAF24
You never cease to amuse me bt. :D

It gets old, brother. You can't have a mature discussion on here without someone butting in to stupidly unload their personal frustrations in the form of mindless anti-American b.s.
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.tycoonmike
Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

What's wrong with Capitalism?
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.Stevo_the_gamer
Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

exactly most of these people think that china is a great place to live when they have such a good military because thats ALL they have.
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.Stevo_the_gamer
Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

Any one in Europe can be rich or poor

In Europe you can go to whatever college you want to.....

what's you point...?

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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.tycoonmike
Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?


1) Is capitalism bad...would you prefer communism where no matter how much better you do you get the same amount.

2) It is completely impossible to have a true democracy with 300 million people :roll: Its not possible for everyone to represent thier ideas directly...
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If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

jointed

Nope.....accents would have developed just as they did....though I think the ties would have been broken with the UK anyway.

We weren't forced to rebuild anything.....and if there wasn't any fighting in Europe the bombings wouldn't have occured.:roll:

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.acegunslinger
Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

What's wrong with Capitalism?

Nothing at all......it's preferable to the alternative.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.jointed

Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

Any one in Europe can be rich or poor

In Europe you can go to whatever college you want to.....

what's you point...?

his point is his country is the richest in the world and has the strongest military plus those rights, china does not have those rights.
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If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

LJS9502_basic

Nope.....accents would have developed just as they did....though I think the ties would have been broken with the UK anyway.

We weren't forced to rebuild anything.....and if there wasn't any fighting in Europe the bombings wouldn't have occured.:roll:

The accent thingy were just an example......

If you know something about the geneve convention you will realize the error in you comment.....

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The accent thingy were just an example......

If you know something about the geneve convention you will realize the error in you comment.....

jointed

No country is forced to go by the Geneva convention.  Not all countries do.:wink:

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[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.bt_the_great_78
You never cease to amuse me bt. :D

It gets old, brother. You can't have a mature discussion on here without someone butting in to stupidly unload their personal frustrations in the form of mindless anti-American b.s.

I know, but I expect nothing less from the younger generation. I'm still waiting for the thread that point out the Dems have the perfect plan to have troops out by the end of the year. It'll be funny to see how many people don't know they have absolutely no control over military strategies, anywhere.
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.mark4091

Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

Any one in Europe can be rich or poor

In Europe you can go to whatever college you want to.....

what's you point...?

his point is his country is the richest in the world and has the strongest military plus those rights, china does not have those rights.

well what's his point in telling us that, he were mocking the Europeans and I find it quiet offensive and some of the things he said were flat out ridicolous

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.jointed

Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

Any one in Europe can be rich or poor

In Europe you can go to whatever college you want to.....

what's you point...?

- The United States would have won without the help of the French, unless, you can prove me wrong. :)

- The United States, forced to? They had a choice to do so, and they did. Other countries, *hint* Russia, *hint, choose not to do so. The United States didn't do all the bombing as well. Hell, most of France was practically destroyed anyways before the Americas joined the war. The British bombed most of Europe as well. Not to mention we provided Britain with multiple pilots and munitions before we actualyl went into the war.

 - My point is that The United States, and along with countries in Europe are not evil countries. You have the right to do so, in other countries, you don't. But the United States, in his words, is still evil even though the United States has accomplished so much and was recognized by so many.

some of the things he said were flat out ridicolous

You've got to be joking. :|

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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.tycoonmike
Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

Those points you listed are hardly evil and are common flaws of western governments. 

1.  Capitalism - The US did not invent that system.   Yes it has flaws and imperfections, but I still prefer it to other forms such as communism.

2.  Slow to act?  - compared to whom?  If anything, we are too fast of a responder.

3.  Government acting despite the lack of support? - Did you pay attention to the elections of 06?  That was a referendum on what happens when elected officials don't listen to the people -> they get voted out of office.

4.  Affirmative Action - I don't know what this has to do with your argument.  This was a system that was designed to give disadvantaged minorities better access to education and job opportunities.  That's hardly evil.

5.  Nationalistic citizens - you have those people in every country.  Foreign nations just like to highlight ours because it makes it easier to blindly hate on the US.

6.  Lack of Culture - I strongly disagree.  There is a strong american culture despite the youth of our nation.

7.  Lack of Fairness - Unlike other nations, our population is not homogenous.  With diversity comes conflict.  Yet despite that, I think our country has made progress.  We have laws and protections for all groups and legal systems that try to enforce those rights.  Discrimination exists and will continue to exist whenever you have two differing gropus.

8.  Government corruption - No crap.  Most governments are corrupt.  Ours is far from the most, and is also policed by the population, the press, and the opposing parties.

9.  Hypocricy - There is no true democracy.  We are a representative democracy - it would be impossible to run a true democracy with the size of our country.  It's impossible to consult every person in the country regarding state affairs.

You're reasons have been debunked.  Thanks for playing.

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well what's his point in telling us that, he were mocking the Europeans and I find it quiet offensive and some of the things he said were flat out ridicolous

jointed

Some things you say are offensive to Americans.  If you deal it....handle it.  I believe he was just refuting the other guys statements though and not at all concerned with Europeans.

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Hey Europeans are capitalist too
And why it is bad?Well it changes the politics of country and this affects other like.....well ask Iraqis
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.Stevo_the_gamer

Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

Any one in Europe can be rich or poor

In Europe you can go to whatever college you want to.....

what's you point...?

- The United States would have won without the help of the French, unless, you can prove me wrong. :) - The United States, forced to? They had a choice to do so, and they did. Other countries, *hint* Russia, *hint, choose not to do so. The United States didn't do all the bombing as well. Hell, most of France was practically destroyed anyways before the Americas joined the war. The British bombed most of Europe as well. Not to mention we provided Britain with multiple pilots and munitions before we actualyl went into the war. - My point is that The United States, and along with countries in Europe are not evil countries. You have the right to do so, in other countries, you don't. But the United States, in his words, is still evil even though the United States has accomplished so much and was recognized by so many.

Saying that the colonials would have won without the french is like saying Britain would have won ww 2 without the US....

The US were forced to follow the geneve convention's rules

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.sonicare

Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

Those points you listed are hardly evil and are common flaws of western governments. 

1.  Capitalism - The US did not invent that system.   Yes it has flaws and imperfections, but I still prefer it to other forms such as communism.

2.  Slow to act?  - compared to whom?  If anything, we are too fast of a responder.

3.  Government acting despite the lack of support? - Did you pay attention to the elections of 06?  That was a referendum on what happens when elected officials don't listen to the people -> they get voted out of office.

4.  Affirmative Action - I don't know what this has to do with your argument.  This was a system that was designed to give disadvantaged minorities better access to education and job opportunities.  That's hardly evil.

5.  Nationalistic citizens - you have those people in every country.  Foreign nations just like to highlight ours because it makes it easier to blindly hate on the US.

6.  Lack of Culture - I strongly disagree.  There is a strong american culture despite the youth of our nation.

7.  Lack of Fairness - Unlike other nations, our population is not homogenous.  With diversity comes conflict.  Yet despite that, I think our country has made progress.  We have laws and protections for all groups and legal systems that try to enforce those rights.  Discrimination exists and will continue to exist whenever you have two differing gropus.

8.  Government corruption - No crap.  Most governments are corrupt.  Ours is far from the most, and is also policed by the population, the press, and the opposing parties.

9.  Hypocricy - There is no true democracy.  We are a representative democracy - it would be impossible to run a true democracy with the size of our country.  It's impossible to consult every person in the country regarding state affairs.

You're reasons have been debunked.  Thanks for playing.

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well what's his point in telling us that, he were mocking the Europeans and I find it quiet offensive and some of the things he said were flat out ridicolous

LJS9502_basic

Some things you say are offensive to Americans.  If you deal it....handle it.  I believe he was just refuting the other guys statements though and not at all concerned with Europeans.

that's the problem

I've never directly mocked the yanks like that....

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.jointed

Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

Any one in Europe can be rich or poor

In Europe you can go to whatever college you want to.....

what's you point...?

- The United States would have won without the help of the French, unless, you can prove me wrong. :) - The United States, forced to? They had a choice to do so, and they did. Other countries, *hint* Russia, *hint, choose not to do so. The United States didn't do all the bombing as well. Hell, most of France was practically destroyed anyways before the Americas joined the war. The British bombed most of Europe as well. Not to mention we provided Britain with multiple pilots and munitions before we actualyl went into the war. - My point is that The United States, and along with countries in Europe are not evil countries. You have the right to do so, in other countries, you don't. But the United States, in his words, is still evil even though the United States has accomplished so much and was recognized by so many.

Saying that the colonials would have won without the french is like saying Britain would have won ww 2 without the US....

The US were forced to follow the geneve convention's rules

For once I agree with jointed, the Americans would've probably lost the Revolution if it weren't for French aid. But what's your point with the Geneva convetion? The US wasn't forced to do anything after WWII, there was no one who could make us do anything.
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I'd be really happy wtih USA if the rednecks were dissapeared
I also do not want to see USA effecting other countries policies
and racism in that country is at high levels

USA is no more worse then other countries in EU if you compare what they didin history and what they're still doing.They're only good to their people,especially the Europeans

Capitalism was born in Europe after all rght?
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.jointed

Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

Any one in Europe can be rich or poor

In Europe you can go to whatever college you want to.....

what's you point...?

- The United States would have won without the help of the French, unless, you can prove me wrong. :) - The United States, forced to? They had a choice to do so, and they did. Other countries, *hint* Russia, *hint, choose not to do so. The United States didn't do all the bombing as well. Hell, most of France was practically destroyed anyways before the Americas joined the war. The British bombed most of Europe as well. Not to mention we provided Britain with multiple pilots and munitions before we actualyl went into the war. - My point is that The United States, and along with countries in Europe are not evil countries. You have the right to do so, in other countries, you don't. But the United States, in his words, is still evil even though the United States has accomplished so much and was recognized by so many.

Saying that the colonials would have won without the french is like saying Britain would have won ww 2 without the US....

The US were forced to follow the geneve convention's rules

You still didn't prove me wrong. And which law forced them to do so? Amuse me. :)
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

well what's his point in telling us that, he were mocking the Europeans and I find it quiet offensive and some of the things he said were flat out ridicolous

jointed

Some things you say are offensive to Americans.  If you deal it....handle it.  I believe he was just refuting the other guys statements though and not at all concerned with Europeans.

that's the problem

I've never directly mocked the yanks like that....

Ah....you constantly put the states down dude.  I've seen it more than once.

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[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="jointed"]You keep telling my that my claims are unaware and naive........you wont tell me why.......Chinas military isnt stronger than the United States? Well It can get up to 10 times bigger than America's and keep in mind that the majority of Americas army is stretched thin........so you're not refering to that when you call me naive...jointed

First off, the number of men in the military is virtually irrelevant. Our military is at its smallest size in history. We were numbered around 4.4 million around WWI, now we are down to approximately 2.2 million. This is because we have become more efficient. We use better weaponry, we have better training, more experienced leaders, and we have an effective infrastructure. We could arbitrarily increase and decrease the amount of men in the military and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, we would be equally effective, just with more men at hand for ground operations.

It's not irrelevant when the opposing army is that much larger.....and it's not like China has stone age equippment......as I said, they upgraded their WHOLE army......It's basically the same as the united states only much bigger and with an inferior airforce....and no it's not like 200% inferior

it is no where near the technology of the US military, you need to do some research before you do ignorant posts like that

no where near? well for starters ..their tanks and their infantry eqippment is more modern than americas...

You are, very, very, very, wrong about this. The standard weapon of the Chinese army is still the Ak-47, which, last I checked, was older then even the M-14.

no I'm not wrong at all....The standard Chinese assault rifle is QBZ-95....

Their tanks are simply better than the Abrams.....



No actually the standard assault rifle in the PLA is the Type-81 (modified version of the AK-47), while the QBZ-95 is scheduled to become the main rifle in the PLA, full conversion won't be complete until mid 2010.
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.acegunslinger

Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

Any one in Europe can be rich or poor

In Europe you can go to whatever college you want to.....

what's you point...?

- The United States would have won without the help of the French, unless, you can prove me wrong. :) - The United States, forced to? They had a choice to do so, and they did. Other countries, *hint* Russia, *hint, choose not to do so. The United States didn't do all the bombing as well. Hell, most of France was practically destroyed anyways before the Americas joined the war. The British bombed most of Europe as well. Not to mention we provided Britain with multiple pilots and munitions before we actualyl went into the war. - My point is that The United States, and along with countries in Europe are not evil countries. You have the right to do so, in other countries, you don't. But the United States, in his words, is still evil even though the United States has accomplished so much and was recognized by so many.

Saying that the colonials would have won without the french is like saying Britain would have won ww 2 without the US....

The US were forced to follow the geneve convention's rules

For once I agree with jointed, the Americans would've probably lost the Revolution if it weren't for French aid. But what's your point with the Geneva convetion? The US wasn't forced to do anything after WWII, there was no one who could make us do anything.

The US agreed to the geneve convention and therefor they had to follow its rules........Ï'm not saying that someone had the ability to force them, but I'm saying that we shouldnt thank them for rebuilding something they themselves destroyed.....We're grateful that the yanks helped us, no doubt

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Saying that the colonials would have won without the french is like saying Britain would have won ww 2 without the US....

The US were forced to follow the geneve convention's rules

jointed

For the third time.....we were not "forced".  As for your first statement....that is debateable and can't be proven one way or the other.

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Chinese tanks are not better than Americans tanks
Abrams are superior to old Soviet copied tanks
China can not build tanks equal to an Abrams
The best thing they can do is to buy European tanks
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china's army is better than usa's army
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War is bad, people still die on either side.
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[QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.jointed

Then explain to me why America is so great? I can tell you why America is evil:

- Capitalism
- It's slow to act
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace
- Capitalism
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations
- Capitalism
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Need I go on?

- If it wasn't for the United States, you would be speaking German(If you are European, African, Middle-Eastern). - The United States gave billions of dollars to help rebuild countries after World War II. - The United States is the founding member the United Nations. - The United States created the United Nations Security Council. - The United States has Hollywood, Rock n' Roll, Sports are a national pastime. (There's your culture :|) - Anyone in the US can be rich, or can be poor. - Anyone has the ability to go to College, if you can't afford it, there are plenty of loans you can get, or join the military. - Emancipation. - Universal Sufferage - Free Speech - Free Religion - Environmentalism

If it wasnt for the french you would be speaking..........english with a british accent.....

well since the US were the ones who bombed cities occupied by the germans they were forced to help rebuilding them....

Any one in Europe can be rich or poor

In Europe you can go to whatever college you want to.....

what's you point...?

- The United States would have won without the help of the French, unless, you can prove me wrong. :) - The United States, forced to? They had a choice to do so, and they did. Other countries, *hint* Russia, *hint, choose not to do so. The United States didn't do all the bombing as well. Hell, most of France was practically destroyed anyways before the Americas joined the war. The British bombed most of Europe as well. Not to mention we provided Britain with multiple pilots and munitions before we actualyl went into the war. - My point is that The United States, and along with countries in Europe are not evil countries. You have the right to do so, in other countries, you don't. But the United States, in his words, is still evil even though the United States has accomplished so much and was recognized by so many.

Saying that the colonials would have won without the french is like saying Britain would have won ww 2 without the US....

The US were forced to follow the geneve convention's rules

For once I agree with jointed, the Americans would've probably lost the Revolution if it weren't for French aid. But what's your point with the Geneva convetion? The US wasn't forced to do anything after WWII, there was no one who could make us do anything.

The US agreed to the geneve convention and therefor they had to follow its rules........Ï'm not saying that someone had the ability to force them, but I'm saying that we shouldnt thank them for rebuilding something they themselves destroyed.....We're grateful that the yanks helped us, no doubt

The Geneva Convention did not require the US to rebuild Europe after WWII.
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War is bad, people still die on either side.elvisiscool
War is another name for 'Population Control'.
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The US agreed to the geneve convention and therefor they had to follow its rules........Ï'm not saying that someone had the ability to force them, but I'm saying that we shouldnt thank them for rebuilding something they themselves destroyed.....We're grateful that the yanks helped us, no doubt

jointed

That would make it a voluntary undertaking......which means we wanted to do it.  How do you expect to wage war without damage?  Doesn't sound very grateful to me at all.

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Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

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Saying that the colonials would have won without the french is like saying Britain would have won ww 2 without the US....

The US were forced to follow the geneve convention's rules

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For the third time.....we were not "forced".  As for your first statement....that is debateable and can't be proven one way or the other.

no you were not forced but you had agreed on the geneve conventions rules and therefor you had to pay the costs....

It's also debateable wether Europeans could win the war themselves 

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Saying that the colonials would have won without the french is like saying Britain would have won ww 2 without the US....

The US were forced to follow the geneve convention's rules

jointed

For the third time.....we were not "forced".  As for your first statement....that is debateable and can't be proven one way or the other.

no you were not forced but you had agreed on the geneve conventions rules and therefor you had to pay the costs....

It's also debateable wether Europeans could win the war themselves 

Not really.:wink:  Read the history.

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Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

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First of all I would like to tell you that I know what I'm talking about, very much so infact...

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it up

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

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each has its own strength and weakness.....the result of the conflict would be unpredictable.

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If it was just hand to hand combat china would win hands down, and i'll tell you why they have certain cities or town where everyone in the town practices martial arts just so they can get in the millitary.
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The U.S. military might be smaller by troop number, but in technology, military leaders, already existing weapondry, the U.S. eclipses China.
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Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

jointed

First of all I would like to tell you that I know what I'm talking about, very much so infact...

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it up

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

A europe they helped to destroy?  It wasn't a war the US wanted to be in.  The allies had been trying to get the US to enter the war for quite sometime before December 7th, 1941.  How in any way was the US obligated to rebuild Europe?  "thanks for liberating us, but here's the bill?"

West Germany.

I'd still say that the current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose past foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today.  Look up the creation of palestine and israel and see who was responsible for that.  Look up the division of Pakistan and India as well - how did that happen, hmmmmm