if you say chinas army is better than usa your are wrong

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it upjointed

Yes, who doesn't know this. After that, there was a food shortage, which led to the bloodiest revolutions in human history. How is this relevant to the Colonists winning the Revolutionary War? France was already having money problems due to all the wars with England.

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

I find this a bit humorous, due to I can't recall any other countries rebuilding other countries. I just recall seeing the United States rebuilding. Hell, the United States economy was the ONLY economy that wasn't crippled by the end of the war. The United States rebuild Europe's economy. Even years AFTER the bloody war, the United States gave help to the countries, but of course this was to fight off communism, but still, after all the damage was repaired, the United States still gave help to the countries.

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

You're right, instead, we removed one of the worst dictators in history, but we still not noble. We still don't care. We didn't care about the genocide in Turkey. We didn't care about the genocide in Somalia. We didn't care about South Korea and Japan when North Korea tested its nuclear weapons. We didn't care about terrorism. You're right, the noble America is no longer present. The have never lost a hot war. Never. What we lose is the political wars; Vietnam, and Iraq.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

sonicare

First of all I would like to tell you that I know what I'm talking about, very much so infact...

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it up

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

A europe they helped to destroy?  It wasn't a war the US wanted to be in.  The allies had been trying to get the US to enter the war for quite sometime before December 7th, 1941.  How in any way was the US obligated to rebuild Europe?  "thanks for liberating us, but here's the bill?"

West Germany.

I'd still say that the current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose past foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today.  Look up the creation of palestine and israel and see who was responsible for that.  Look up the division of Pakistan and India as well - how did that happen, hmmmmm

West Germany were divided into 4 zones....1 controlled by the americans and they really never did anything to help it after the war rebuilding.....West Berlin is a whole other matter..

The current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose PAST foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today?????

Want to talk about past policies?

- You ended your the slavery in 1865!! and even then you had a god damned civil war about it!!!

- The bay of pigs, cuba

- Arming Iraq with weapons to use against Iran.....Arming Iran with weapons to use against Iraq

- Distributing weapons to warlords in Africa

- Dropping 2 nukes on civilian cities

The US were actually one of the nations who helped to create Israel......and who's it god damned ally as we speak!?

If it was just hand to hand combat china would win hands down, and i'll tell you why they have certain cities or town where everyone in the town practices martial arts just so they can get in the millitary.dahwnpapaya

martial arts is more discipline then actual fighting moves and this is coming from a red belt, and thats the purpose of training in the army anyways, it really comes down to the fact that china does not have modern combat experience.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

jointed

First of all I would like to tell you that I know what I'm talking about, very much so infact...

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it up

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

A europe they helped to destroy?  It wasn't a war the US wanted to be in.  The allies had been trying to get the US to enter the war for quite sometime before December 7th, 1941.  How in any way was the US obligated to rebuild Europe?  "thanks for liberating us, but here's the bill?"

West Germany.

I'd still say that the current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose past foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today.  Look up the creation of palestine and israel and see who was responsible for that.  Look up the division of Pakistan and India as well - how did that happen, hmmmmm

West Germany were divided into 4 zones....1 controlled by the americans and they really never did anything to help it after the war rebuilding.....West Berlin is a whole other matter..

The current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose PAST foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today?????

Want to talk about past policies?

- You ended your the slavery in 1865!! and even then you had a god damned civil war about it!!!

- The bay of pigs, cuba

- Arming Iraq with weapons to use against Iran.....Arming Iran with weapons to use against Iraq

- Distributing weapons to warlords in Africa

- Dropping 2 nukes on civilian cities

The US were actually one of the nations who helped to create Israel......and who's it god damned ally as we speak!?

i've never seen a fat chinese person in my life.GeForce2187

[QUOTE="GeForce2187"]i've never seen a fat chinese person in my life.trophylocoste

ya u can be fat and still shoot a gun and china has already taken over they make like everything like my PC and umm my socks
Lief_Ericson

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

acegunslinger

First of all I would like to tell you that I know what I'm talking about, very much so infact...

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it up

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

A europe they helped to destroy?  It wasn't a war the US wanted to be in.  The allies had been trying to get the US to enter the war for quite sometime before December 7th, 1941.  How in any way was the US obligated to rebuild Europe?  "thanks for liberating us, but here's the bill?"

West Germany.

I'd still say that the current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose past foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today.  Look up the creation of palestine and israel and see who was responsible for that.  Look up the division of Pakistan and India as well - how did that happen, hmmmmm

West Germany were divided into 4 zones....1 controlled by the americans and they really never did anything to help it after the war rebuilding.....West Berlin is a whole other matter..

The current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose PAST foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today?????

Want to talk about past policies?

- You ended your the slavery in 1865!! and even then you had a god damned civil war about it!!!

- The bay of pigs, cuba

- Arming Iraq with weapons to use against Iran.....Arming Iran with weapons to use against Iraq

- Distributing weapons to warlords in Africa

- Dropping 2 nukes on civilian cities

The US were actually one of the nations who helped to create Israel......and who's it god damned ally as we speak!?

Taken care of its own problems, how?

Yea the US ended up footing the bill..........because you lost 50 million people!!!!!

[QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

jointed

First of all I would like to tell you that I know what I'm talking about, very much so infact...

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it up

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

A europe they helped to destroy?  It wasn't a war the US wanted to be in.  The allies had been trying to get the US to enter the war for quite sometime before December 7th, 1941.  How in any way was the US obligated to rebuild Europe?  "thanks for liberating us, but here's the bill?"

West Germany.

I'd still say that the current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose past foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today.  Look up the creation of palestine and israel and see who was responsible for that.  Look up the division of Pakistan and India as well - how did that happen, hmmmmm

West Germany were divided into 4 zones....1 controlled by the americans and they really never did anything to help it after the war rebuilding.....West Berlin is a whole other matter..

The current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose PAST foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today?????

Want to talk about past policies?

- You ended your the slavery in 1865!! and even then you had a god damned civil war about it!!!

- The bay of pigs, cuba

- Arming Iraq with weapons to use against Iran.....Arming Iran with weapons to use against Iraq

- Distributing weapons to warlords in Africa

- Dropping 2 nukes on civilian cities

The US were actually one of the nations who helped to create Israel......and who's it god damned ally as we speak!?

Taken care of its own problems, how?

Yea the US ended up footing the bill..........because you lost 50 million people!!!!!

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="acegunslinger"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

acegunslinger

First of all I would like to tell you that I know what I'm talking about, very much so infact...

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it up

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

A europe they helped to destroy?  It wasn't a war the US wanted to be in.  The allies had been trying to get the US to enter the war for quite sometime before December 7th, 1941.  How in any way was the US obligated to rebuild Europe?  "thanks for liberating us, but here's the bill?"

West Germany.

I'd still say that the current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose past foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today.  Look up the creation of palestine and israel and see who was responsible for that.  Look up the division of Pakistan and India as well - how did that happen, hmmmmm

West Germany were divided into 4 zones....1 controlled by the americans and they really never did anything to help it after the war rebuilding.....West Berlin is a whole other matter..

The current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose PAST foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today?????

Want to talk about past policies?

- You ended your the slavery in 1865!! and even then you had a god damned civil war about it!!!

- The bay of pigs, cuba

- Arming Iraq with weapons to use against Iran.....Arming Iran with weapons to use against Iraq

- Distributing weapons to warlords in Africa

- Dropping 2 nukes on civilian cities

The US were actually one of the nations who helped to create Israel......and who's it god damned ally as we speak!?

Taken care of its own problems, how?

Yea the US ended up footing the bill..........because you lost 50 million people!!!!!

So we should have just invaded Germany?

We lost 50 million people in that war so don't tell me that you ended up footing the bill..........The US lost close to NONE civillians! Ofcourse you ended up to be a world superpower when the american main land was untouched

Chinese people will never rule the World. Europeans 4ever!slackersunited

[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.bt_the_great_78

[QUOTE="Lief_Ericson"]ya u can be fat and still shoot a gun and china has already taken over they make like everything like my PC and umm my socks
freeze893

Those points you listed are hardly evil and are common flaws of western governments.

1. Capitalism - The US did not invent that system. Yes it has flaws and imperfections, but I still prefer it to other forms such as communism.

Agreed, but you would prefer inequality to equality?

2. Slow to act? - compared to whom? If anything, we are too fast of a responder.

Ok, wise guy, I said the wrong thing, I meant fast to act. I'll change the original now.

3. Government acting despite the lack of support? - Did you pay attention to the elections of 06? That was a referendum on what happens when elected officials don't listen to the people -> they get voted out of office.

Yeah, and I also pay attention to the war in Iraq and how around only 35% support it. The elected officials aren't listening to the people. Does that mean they all should be out of office?

4. Affirmative Action - I don't know what this has to do with your argument. This was a system that was designed to give disadvantaged minorities better access to education and job opportunities. That's hardly evil.

Yeah, it's also racist vs. whites. Two wrongs don't make a right, I'm afraid.

5. Nationalistic citizens - you have those people in every country. Foreign nations just like to highlight ours because it makes it easier to blindly hate on the US.

And yet there are plenty of people like that on here who wouldn't bother to say a single bad thing about the USA if communists were holding their families hostage. People who criticize the USA are the people that actually recognize the faults of our govenrnment.

6. Lack of Culture - I strongly disagree. There is a strong american culture despite the youth of our nation.

Yeah, the music is crap, Hollywood is full of scandal and everyone wants to be just like the actors. The news is obsessed with crime, scandal, and disaster and not on what really matters, the family unit is breaking down, even they with culture, the Native Americans, were and are being supressed.

7. Lack of Fairness - Unlike other nations, our population is not homogenous. With diversity comes conflict. Yet despite that, I think our country has made progress. We have laws and protections for all groups and legal systems that try to enforce those rights. Discrimination exists and will continue to exist whenever you have two differing gropus.

8. Government corruption - No crap. Most governments are corrupt. Ours is far from the most, and is also policed by the population, the press, and the opposing parties.

Population- No politician cares about the public, only what will make him or her the most money.

Press- Controlled by big business.

Opposing parties- Who are made up of the corrupt politicians. For every one good politician you have nine who are corrupt.

9. Hypocricy - There is no true democracy. We are a representative democracy - it would be impossible to run a true democracy with the size of our country. It's impossible to consult every person in the country regarding state affairs.

And yet anyone can vote who is over the age of 18. It is possible to consult every person in the country, but every person in the country doesn't wish to spend 20 minutes of their time and give their opinion. It isn't the state's fault that the people don't give their opinion, it's the people's fault.

You're reasons have been debunked. Thanks for playing.

sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

jointed

First of all I would like to tell you that I know what I'm talking about, very much so infact...

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it up

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

A europe they helped to destroy?  It wasn't a war the US wanted to be in.  The allies had been trying to get the US to enter the war for quite sometime before December 7th, 1941.  How in any way was the US obligated to rebuild Europe?  "thanks for liberating us, but here's the bill?"

West Germany.

I'd still say that the current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose past foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today.  Look up the creation of palestine and israel and see who was responsible for that.  Look up the division of Pakistan and India as well - how did that happen, hmmmmm

West Germany were divided into 4 zones....1 controlled by the americans and they really never did anything to help it after the war rebuilding.....West Berlin is a whole other matter..

The current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose PAST foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today?????

Want to talk about past policies?

- You ended your the slavery in 1865!! and even then you had a god damned civil war about it!!!

I don't see how fighting for freedom is something to hold against a country. Also, the "IT TOOK AMERICANS TILL 1865 TO GET RID OF SLAVERY" is absolute bull. The European nations had slavery for thousands of years.

- The bay of pigs, cuba

And you think the US is the only country in the world which has launched unwarrented invasions?

- Arming Iraq with weapons to use against Iran.....Arming Iran with weapons to use against Iraq

Something the French, British, Russians, Chinese, and a host of other countries do as well.

- Distributing weapons to warlords in Africa

Read above.

- Dropping 2 nukes on civilian cities

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were two of Japan's biggest military supply depots since the Meiji restoration. But I swear to god if this thread devolves into a "warrented nukes" discussion I will have to start killing innocent kittens.

The US were actually one of the nations who helped to create Israel......and who's it god damned ally as we speak!?

Your point?

So not only are you arguably the most ignorant person i've ever seen on Gamespot, but you also lied straight faced about your anti american agenda, nice.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Those points you listed are hardly evil and are common flaws of western governments.

1. Capitalism - The US did not invent that system. Yes it has flaws and imperfections, but I still prefer it to other forms such as communism.

Agreed, but you would prefer inequality to equality?

If you want to achieve something you should work for it.....it's inequality to be given something for nothing.

2. Slow to act? - compared to whom? If anything, we are too fast of a responder.

Ok, wise guy, I said the wrong thing, I meant fast to act. I'll change the original now.

Confused?

3. Government acting despite the lack of support? - Did you pay attention to the elections of 06? That was a referendum on what happens when elected officials don't listen to the people -> they get voted out of office.

Yeah, and I also pay attention to the war in Iraq and how around only 35% support it. The elected officials aren't listening to the people. Does that mean they all should be out of office?

Too many people were for the war initially, now it's too complicated to just pull out.

4. Affirmative Action - I don't know what this has to do with your argument. This was a system that was designed to give disadvantaged minorities better access to education and job opportunities. That's hardly evil.

Yeah, it's also racist vs. whites. Two wrongs don't make a right, I'm afraid.

Unfortunately, it's hard to find a system that will make everyone happy. 

5. Nationalistic citizens - you have those people in every country. Foreign nations just like to highlight ours because it makes it easier to blindly hate on the US.

And yet there are plenty of people like that on here who wouldn't bother to say a single bad thing about the USA if communists were holding their families hostage. People who criticize the USA are the people that actually recognize the faults of our govenrnment.

Recognizing faults and constant bashing are two entirely different things.

6. Lack of Culture - I strongly disagree. There is a strong american culture despite the youth of our nation.

Yeah, the music is crap, Hollywood is full of scandal and everyone wants to be just like the actors. The news is obsessed with crime, scandal, and disaster and not on what really matters, the family unit is breaking down, even they with culture, the Native Americans, were and are being supressed.

Entertainment is not American culture....every state and every city has it's own.  Is it too hard to look for the good....would that upset your world?

7. Lack of Fairness - Unlike other nations, our population is not homogenous. With diversity comes conflict. Yet despite that, I think our country has made progress. We have laws and protections for all groups and legal systems that try to enforce those rights. Discrimination exists and will continue to exist whenever you have two differing gropus.

8. Government corruption - No crap. Most governments are corrupt. Ours is far from the most, and is also policed by the population, the press, and the opposing parties.

Population- No politician cares about the public, only what will make him or her the most money.

Press- Controlled by big business.

Opposing parties- Who are made up of the corrupt politicians. For every one good politician you have nine who are corrupt.

What government doesn't have those problems?

9. Hypocricy - There is no true democracy. We are a representative democracy - it would be impossible to run a true democracy with the size of our country. It's impossible to consult every person in the country regarding state affairs.

And yet anyone can vote who is over the age of 18. It is possible to consult every person in the country, but every person in the country doesn't wish to spend 20 minutes of their time and give their opinion. It isn't the state's fault that the people don't give their opinion, it's the people's fault.

Point?

You're reasons have been debunked. Thanks for playing.

tycoonmike

Your points don't hold up.  Constructive criticism is fine........you just criticized. 

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]This is becoming another laughable anti-American thread.tycoonmike

And you think Socialism or Communism are perfect? Where have you been?
- It's fast to act

It isn't, actually. Nor is it supposed to be, the government is supposed to deliberate and argue with itself. Democracy is about debate.
- The government acting despite the lack of support among the populace

What is your definition of support? You do realize it's impossible for any country to get 100% support form its populace on any issue right?
- Capitalism

I get it, you hate Capitalism.
- Affirmative Action (though that's another topic)

Indeed.
- Overly Nationalistic citizens ruining our credibility among the other nations

A problem yes, but again, what makes you think the US is the only country in the world with this problem?
- Capitalism

Your maturity is going down, fast.
- Lack of culture (except for the Native Americans)

What the? You consider this a problem? Christ, and I thought my mother was overcultured.
- Lack of fairness among the people of the populace

What do you mean by this?
- Government corruption while the people do nothing about it

Because it isn't as corrupt as you think. Mass corruption in the US government doesn't really even fit into Occam's Razor. Mass incompetance and panic do though.
- Hypocracy (we are the stronghold of democracy and yet we aren't even a true democracy)

Ouch, someone made a opinionated statement and that's evidence enough to consider the entire US hypocritical.

Need I go on?

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Those points you listed are hardly evil and are common flaws of western governments.

1. Capitalism - The US did not invent that system. Yes it has flaws and imperfections, but I still prefer it to other forms such as communism.

Agreed, but you would prefer inequality to equality?

If you want to achieve something you should work for it.....it's inequality to be given something for nothing.

Agreed. It's also unfair for the person who works hard all his life to be stuck in a dead end job while they who do squat advance or are rich. Solution? To actually reward they who actually work for a living and let the deadbeats continue to be deadbeats, just don't reward them for being deadbeats.

2. Slow to act? - compared to whom? If anything, we are too fast of a responder.

Ok, wise guy, I said the wrong thing, I meant fast to act. I'll change the original now.

Confused?

I thought fast to act, I wrote slow to act, I was too slow to act upon my mistake.

3. Government acting despite the lack of support? - Did you pay attention to the elections of 06? That was a referendum on what happens when elected officials don't listen to the people -> they get voted out of office.

Yeah, and I also pay attention to the war in Iraq and how around only 35% support it. The elected officials aren't listening to the people. Does that mean they all should be out of office?

Too many people were for the war initially, now it's too complicated to just pull out.

I agree that it would be complicated, but then again, that's the will of the people, and according to his logic, the will of the people is that the war is ended. According to him, the politicians who support the war should be kicked out of office for not following the will of the people. Solution? According to him, kick Pres. Bush out of office.

4. Affirmative Action - I don't know what this has to do with your argument. This was a system that was designed to give disadvantaged minorities better access to education and job opportunities. That's hardly evil.

Yeah, it's also racist vs. whites. Two wrongs don't make a right, I'm afraid.

Unfortunately, it's hard to find a system that will make everyone happy.

Agreed.

5. Nationalistic citizens - you have those people in every country. Foreign nations just like to highlight ours because it makes it easier to blindly hate on the US.

And yet there are plenty of people like that on here who wouldn't bother to say a single bad thing about the USA if communists were holding their families hostage. People who criticize the USA are the people that actually recognize the faults of our govenrnment.

Recognizing faults and constant bashing are two entirely different things.

:| I don't constantly bash the USA. It does its share of good in the world, it's just that its evils sometime overshadow its good. Solution? Recognize all faults, not just some.

6. Lack of Culture - I strongly disagree. There is a strong american culture despite the youth of our nation.

Yeah, the music is crap, Hollywood is full of scandal and everyone wants to be just like the actors. The news is obsessed with crime, scandal, and disaster and not on what really matters, the family unit is breaking down, even they with culture, the Native Americans, were and are being supressed.

Entertainment is not American culture....every state and every city has it's own. Is it too hard to look for the good....would that upset your world?

No, it wouldn't upset my world, I look for the good wherever I go, and yet, when I look to the USA, I see more evil than good. Solution? Explain to me what is the American culture, without using a term like "melting pot" or "salad bowl." though not here, as this thread is reserved for the debate as to who has the better army, China or the US.

7. Lack of Fairness - Unlike other nations, our population is not homogenous. With diversity comes conflict. Yet despite that, I think our country has made progress. We have laws and protections for all groups and legal systems that try to enforce those rights. Discrimination exists and will continue to exist whenever you have two differing gropus.

8. Government corruption - No crap. Most governments are corrupt. Ours is far from the most, and is also policed by the population, the press, and the opposing parties.

Population- No politician cares about the public, only what will make him or her the most money.

Press- Controlled by big business.

Opposing parties- Who are made up of the corrupt politicians. For every one good politician you have nine who are corrupt.

What government doesn't have those problems?

I'm not saying all government doesn't, but if the people would realize this, they could be wiped out, instead they are brainwashed into thinking they can't change the world they live in. Solution? Educate the populace about corruption and use the populace to stamp it out.

9. Hypocricy - There is no true democracy. We are a representative democracy - it would be impossible to run a true democracy with the size of our country. It's impossible to consult every person in the country regarding state affairs.

And yet anyone can vote who is over the age of 18. It is possible to consult every person in the country, but every person in the country doesn't wish to spend 20 minutes of their time and give their opinion. It isn't the state's fault that the people don't give their opinion, it's the people's fault.

Point?

My point being that a government can consult the populace, it does it every year there's an election, but if the people don't want to be consulted, they don't vote.

You're reasons have been debunked. Thanks for playing.

LJS9502_basic

Your points don't hold up. Constructive criticism is fine........you just criticized.

Ask for evidence and support for why China's military is superior and you get trite anti-American nonsense. If you hate this country so much, I've got to wonder what keeps you here. I can't say I like the idea that my tax dollars provide you with services, nor do I like the thought that my friends protect your freedoms. You should take the bad attitude to Sierre Leone. Maybe after some growing up, you'll appreciate the things you never realized you had.bt_the_great_78

Oh really? You made it into an anti-American thread by proclaiming it to be an anti-American thread. Had you not said, this, I wouldn't have gone off on a rant against America, thus the thread wouldn't have become that which you proclaimed it to be. If you had gone off in an anti-American rant, I can guarantee you I would have gone off on a pro-America rant, so you can just thank yourself for making it into what you clearly hate.tycoonmike

I gave you the evidence of past battles to support why China's army is better than America's, in some ways, because of numbers, which I used in threads past and present. You obviously ignored it.tycoonmike

Oh, and before you tell me to grow up, fix your spelling. It's SierrA Leone.
tycoonmike

sure chinas ground force are bigger but thats only because they have 1billion people
plus most of there hardware is still lagging behind it basically
a 300 lb fat man versus a 250 pound man whos is in shape and is all muscle

cliffs: us>china
MrJesusisnthere

chinese people have bad aim because they can't..:)thotoz

oh i dont mean to be offensive on my earlier post.....but ive never seen a fat chinese....not half chinese i mean a full chinese1337_ownage

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]Numbers will subdue technology. It's been proven numerous times in history, the Battle of Stalingrad, the Battle of Moscow, the Battle of the Bulge, just to name a few. So far as I know, China can call upon a third of its population to serve in the armed forces, which would outnumber the entire population of the United States.BranKetra

[QUOTE="1337_ownage"]oh i dont mean to be offensive on my earlier post.....but ive never seen a fat chinese....not half chinese i mean a full chineseVampyronight

the Chinese army does not have the experience once again, one skilled soldier can take down many.mark4091

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="1337_ownage"]oh i dont mean to be offensive on my earlier post.....but ive never seen a fat chinese....not half chinese i mean a full chinese1337_ownage

China has a large army, in fact, it has a MASSIVE army, the debilitating factor in that is that their are too many mouths to feed. I don't think China could afford to feed its army and its people at the same time if a major conflict between them and America broke out. Peasants revolts and things of that nature would ensue.KrayzieJ

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Jointed,

You have no idea what you are talking about.  There were several reasons why the english "lost" the revolutionary war - french support was far from the most important.  In fact, most of the revolutionary war was fought without the aid of the french.  It wasn't until the US colonists had won a few key battles that the french decided to assist.  The revolutionary war was a war of attrition on england fought a world away.  Just as there were english loyalists in the US, there were US sympathizers in England - the war was unpopular there.  The US military during those times was a bare rag tag militia.  It's main job wasn't to crush the english army but rather harass and keep the cause alive.

The only key battle that the french assisted in was the battle of yorktown, which happened to be the final straw that broke the camel's back.  If the french had not assisted, the war would have lasted longer, but the outcome was inevitable.

As far as rebuilding Europe, the US did spend billions of dollars rebuilding cities and economies across the war torn country.  We also lost hundreds of thousands of our men and women in liberating much of western europe from an oppressive nazi regime - a war that the US did not start and wanted no part of.  The only european nation ever to repay the US was the UK.  However, not only did the US help rebuild those economies, but it helped protect them against an aggressive Soviet bloc that was determined to spread its influence throught europe.  The US was there when help was needed whether it was in airlifting in supplies to besieged western berlin during a soviet embargo or giving billions in aids to struggling european countries emerging from economic collapse.

Now our country is going through a rough but short time with an unpopular government and policy.  After decades of goodwill, suddenly europe declares our country evil and lashes out with blind hate of everything american.  Not having the decency or the respect to separate their dislike of the current US government from the average US citizen.  Instead its just blind hate and ignorant bashing of all americans. 

jointed

First of all I would like to tell you that I know what I'm talking about, very much so infact...

The French went bankrupt because of their support of the revolutionary war......look it up

The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe that is true....a Europe they helped destroy, together with the british and the Russians....name one nation the US helped to "rebuild" after the war damage had been repaired...

The Noble America who helped the Europeans in the war agaisnt the Nazi is far from what it has become today

A europe they helped to destroy?  It wasn't a war the US wanted to be in.  The allies had been trying to get the US to enter the war for quite sometime before December 7th, 1941.  How in any way was the US obligated to rebuild Europe?  "thanks for liberating us, but here's the bill?"

West Germany.

I'd still say that the current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose past foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today.  Look up the creation of palestine and israel and see who was responsible for that.  Look up the division of Pakistan and India as well - how did that happen, hmmmmm

West Germany were divided into 4 zones....1 controlled by the americans and they really never did anything to help it after the war rebuilding.....West Berlin is a whole other matter..

The current US is still more noble than the imperialistic european nations whose PAST foreign policy is a large reason why there is so much conflict today?????

Want to talk about past policies?

- You ended your the slavery in 1865!! and even then you had a god damned civil war about it!!!

- The bay of pigs, cuba

- Arming Iraq with weapons to use against Iran.....Arming Iran with weapons to use against Iraq

- Distributing weapons to warlords in Africa

- Dropping 2 nukes on civilian cities

The US were actually one of the nations who helped to create Israel......and who's it god damned ally as we speak!?

Now you are just talking out of your rear.  There isn't space on this forum to list every transgression that european nations have done throughout history.  The history of europe is full of imperialsim/mercantalism, subjugation and destruction of other cultures, wars, slavery (fyi - the dutch founded the african slave trade), corruption, religious intolerance and persecution, fascism, genocide, etc.  If you want to argue about past policies, you are going to lose that argument every time. 

Now I certainly am not going to stand behind a lot of the US foreign policy.  I frankly think a lot of it is wrong and unjust, but unlike some hypocritical europeans, I can acknowledge the mistakes of my country.  But seriously, who do you guys think you are to point the finger at us?!?  Look to your own nations dark past first.  You have no moral authority to criticize others.

1.dude your just some white guy that lives there so what...do you have acess to the military??? yea i dodnt think so

2.we are in the 21st centry....so thats usless crap

3.the chinese would probly kno you would go there so probly heavily fortified! DEE DEE DEE

4.if china cant feed its population how the **** is it soo big?!? answer that

5.dude they getting money from US....US owes China money

6.usless crap

7.better reason to join the army

8.WE HAVE BUSH AS PRESIDENT THIS IS WORST THING IN AMERICAN HISTORY

9.off course we give you stuff and we get money, without the chinese whos gonna make all your stuff?

10.well cause their stuff is too expensive but the best

11.WTF...who cares about dancing?

Right here i just owned you HARD.....try harder next time..NOOB



1337_ownage

Chinese people will never rule the World. Europeans 4ever!slackersunited

1. Who said this?

2. So what?

3. Doesn't matter. Within thirty years, China will be the leader of the global market economy.

Media_geek20

You know going by this and other Gamespot threads Chinese people usually have better English grammar and spelling than Americans. Kind of funny and sad at the same time really.kamix