Interesting read on mosque by ground zero.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]Well someone needs to say this. doom3lv

This is a hypothetical question, so I am going to answer it.
If it were up to me, I would have no mosques anywhere in the western hemisphere. At this point you are going to call me a racist, bigot and other mean things.
So let me clarify a little bit. The reason I don't want them is because mosques represent an oppressive culture (in my mind). Places like Dubai and so on (which are supposedly west friendly), constantly issue warnings to westerners saying "Please respect our culture and do not wear short clothes.". I know this because I have been to Dubai.
So when they constantly remind us that we are in their land and that we must obey their rules, why don't we return the same favor?
The reason this does not happen is because taking pride in American way of life automatically turns into a racist. So be it. I can live with that. I know I am not a racist. I welcome muslims in this country, as long as they are willing to live by our rules, one of which includes not having a Sharia Law. doom3lv

What "rule" is being disobeyed by building a mosque in America?

The rule against being a Muslim in America?

I'm fairly certain that the presence of a mosque in America does not institute Sharia law.

They're proboly saying the thing in Islam countries.

What I found interesting was that the pope was always for bringing the religions together. He would have supported a mosque near ground zero. Makes me think at least.

This issue has made me worried about America's intelligence and morals all at once....

:(

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]This is a hypothetical question, so I am going to answer it.
If it were up to me, I would have no mosques anywhere in the western hemisphere. At this point you are going to call me a racist, bigot and other mean things.
So let me clarify a little bit. The reason I don't want them is because mosques represent an oppressive culture (in my mind). Places like Dubai and so on (which are supposedly west friendly), constantly issue warnings to westerners saying "Please respect our culture and do not wear short clothes.". I know this because I have been to Dubai.
So when they constantly remind us that we are in their land and that we must obey their rules, why don't we return the same favor?
The reason this does not happen is because taking pride in American way of life automatically turns into a racist. So be it. I can live with that. I know I am not a racist. I welcome muslims in this country, as long as they are willing to live by our rules, one of which includes not having a Sharia Law. GabuEx

What "rule" is being disobeyed by building a mosque in America?

The rule against being a Muslim in America?

I'm fairly certain that the presence of a mosque in America does not institute Sharia law.

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

[QUOTE="doom3lv"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Most of the replies will probably be talking about the Constitution. Freedom of Religion etc...etc...Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]Exactly! So in their native lands, they never treat other religions equally.
Cross the Atlantic and bam! All of a sudden islam must be treated equally, if not, they are going to claim racism and what not.
Yeah I know, the constitution gives them the right and what not. Just to let you know, if it were up to me, the constitution would have a little * in there and some fine print. doom3lv

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]This is a hypothetical question, so I am going to answer it.
If it were up to me, I would have no mosques anywhere in the western hemisphere. At this point you are going to call me a racist, bigot and other mean things.
So let me clarify a little bit. The reason I don't want them is because mosques represent an oppressive culture (in my mind). Places like Dubai and so on (which are supposedly west friendly), constantly issue warnings to westerners saying "Please respect our culture and do not wear short clothes.". I know this because I have been to Dubai.
So when they constantly remind us that we are in their land and that we must obey their rules, why don't we return the same favor?
The reason this does not happen is because taking pride in American way of life automatically turns into a racist. So be it. I can live with that. I know I am not a racist. I welcome muslims in this country, as long as they are willing to live by our rules, one of which includes not having a Sharia Law. VisigothSaxon

What "rule" is being disobeyed by building a mosque in America?

The rule against being a Muslim in America?

I'm fairly certain that the presence of a mosque in America does not institute Sharia law.

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

I'm also fairly certain that the Burlington Coat Factory was not a cemetary, so I don't really know what you mean here.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]This is a hypothetical question, so I am going to answer it.
If it were up to me, I would have no mosques anywhere in the western hemisphere. At this point you are going to call me a racist, bigot and other mean things.
So let me clarify a little bit. The reason I don't want them is because mosques represent an oppressive culture (in my mind). Places like Dubai and so on (which are supposedly west friendly), constantly issue warnings to westerners saying "Please respect our culture and do not wear short clothes.". I know this because I have been to Dubai.
So when they constantly remind us that we are in their land and that we must obey their rules, why don't we return the same favor?
The reason this does not happen is because taking pride in American way of life automatically turns into a racist. So be it. I can live with that. I know I am not a racist. I welcome muslims in this country, as long as they are willing to live by our rules, one of which includes not having a Sharia Law. VisigothSaxon

What "rule" is being disobeyed by building a mosque in America?

The rule against being a Muslim in America?

I'm fairly certain that the presence of a mosque in America does not institute Sharia law.

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

Yes. With multiple strip clubs, gay bars and porn shops all closer than the community center.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]Exactly! So in their native lands, they never treat other religions equally.
Cross the Atlantic and bam! All of a sudden islam must be treated equally, if not, they are going to claim racism and what not.
Yeah I know, the constitution gives them the right and what not. Just to let you know, if it were up to me, the constitution would have a little * in there and some fine print. doom3lv

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

What "rule" is being disobeyed by building a mosque in America?

The rule against being a Muslim in America?

I'm fairly certain that the presence of a mosque in America does not institute Sharia law.

wstfld

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

Yes. With multiple strip clubs, gay bars and porn shops all closer than the community center.

Better than a religous establishment housing an Imam that backs the murderers of 9/11. All that othe stuff is common anywhere in the world, and was there before the incident. I believe it was pakistan that had the worst google searches, just terrible things like rape sex, animal sex, the most perveted you can get, the middle east countries are no better or worse than america when it comes to that.

Better than a religous establishment housing an Imam that backs the murderers of 9/11. All that othe stuff is common anywhere in the world, and was there before the incident. I believe it was pakistan that had the worst google searches, just terrible things like rape sex, animal sex, the most perveted you can get, the middle east countries are no better or worse than america when it comes to that.

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

What "rule" is being disobeyed by building a mosque in America?

The rule against being a Muslim in America?

I'm fairly certain that the presence of a mosque in America does not institute Sharia law.

wstfld

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

Yes. With multiple strip clubs, gay bars and porn shops all closer than the community center.

Better than a religous establishment housing an Imam that backs the murderers of 9/11. All that othe stuff is common anywhere in the world, and was there before the incident. I believe it was pakistan that had the worst google searches, just terrible things like rape sex, animal sex, the most perveted you can get, the middle east countries are no better or worse than america when it comes to that.

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="wstfld"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

doom3lv

Yes. With multiple strip clubs, gay bars and porn shops all closer than the community center.

[QUOTE="wstfld"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

doom3lv

Yes. With multiple strip clubs, gay bars and porn shops all closer than the community center.

Better than a religous establishment housing an Imam that backs the murderers of 9/11. All that othe stuff is common anywhere in the world, and was there before the incident. I believe it was pakistan that had the worst google searches, just terrible things like rape sex, animal sex, the most perveted you can get, the middle east countries are no better or worse than america when it comes to that.

VisigothSaxon

By "backs the murderers of 9/11", you of course mean "feels that the historical actions of America in the Middle East at least partly lead to the 9/11 attacks", yes?

[QUOTE="wstfld"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

doom3lv

Yes. With multiple strip clubs, gay bars and porn shops all closer than the community center.

Neither are the people who own the Community center or those who will go to it.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] Isn't it a little generalizing to accuse all churches of oppressing people with homosexual attractions? And what exactly do you mean by oppression, that's a fairly broad term?

whipassmt

[QUOTE="doom3lv"][QUOTE="wstfld"]

Yes. With multiple strip clubs, gay bars and porn shops all closer than the community center.

Ingenemployee

Neither are the people who own the Community center or those who will go to it.

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"] Did the gay people cause attacks of 9/11? Did the strippers cause 9/11? Was porn responsible for 9/11? doom3lv

Neither are the people who own the Community center or those who will go to it.

So you're actually just a redneck?

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]This is a hypothetical question, so I am going to answer it.
If it were up to me, I would have no mosques anywhere in the western hemisphere. At this point you are going to call me a racist, bigot and other mean things.
So let me clarify a little bit. The reason I don't want them is because mosques represent an oppressive culture (in my mind). Places like Dubai and so on (which are supposedly west friendly), constantly issue warnings to westerners saying "Please respect our culture and do not wear short clothes.". I know this because I have been to Dubai.
So when they constantly remind us that we are in their land and that we must obey their rules, why don't we return the same favor?
The reason this does not happen is because taking pride in American way of life automatically turns into a racist. So be it. I can live with that. I know I am not a racist. I welcome muslims in this country, as long as they are willing to live by our rules, one of which includes not having a Sharia Law. VisigothSaxon

What "rule" is being disobeyed by building a mosque in America?

The rule against being a Muslim in America?

I'm fairly certain that the presence of a mosque in America does not institute Sharia law.

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

You do know I can build things next to cemeteries, right? The center is not being built on the former WTC.

Theres a burger king near a cemetary around here.

This is what I know. A tall bearded guy said islam is the best religion in the world. All those who dont believe in it can be killed, and it is OK to lie, cheat to further the cause of islam.
Ordinarily, I wouldn't take that idiot seriously. However, that idiot orchestrated the attacks of 9/11 and killed over 2500 Americans.
Now, I am a little nervous when there is an islam culture center being built there. I dont know enough about islam, but everything I know, I am not liking.
So I oppose this.
Simple enough?doom3lv

Wait, so you're even basically admitting that your entire opinion of Islam is formed based on your reactions to Osama bin Laden?

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"] Did the gay people cause attacks of 9/11? Did the strippers cause 9/11? Was porn responsible for 9/11? doom3lv

Neither are the people who own the Community center or those who will go to it.

So guilt by association, ok sure it is pretty damn simple.

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]This is what I know. A tall bearded guy said islam is the best religion in the world. All those who dont believe in it can be killed, and it is OK to lie, cheat to further the cause of islam.
Ordinarily, I wouldn't take that idiot seriously. However, that idiot orchestrated the attacks of 9/11 and killed over 2500 Americans.
Now, I am a little nervous when there is an islam culture center being built there. I dont know enough about islam, but everything I know, I am not liking.
So I oppose this.
Simple enough?GabuEx

Wait, so you're even basically admitting that your entire opinion of Islam is formed based on your reactions to Osama bin Laden?

Woah... name calling aint necessary but... [QUOTE="doom3lv"][QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"] Did the gay people cause attacks of 9/11? Did the strippers cause 9/11? Was porn responsible for 9/11? wstfld

Neither are the people who own the Community center or those who will go to it.

I think it's funny when you guys think that Muslims in America hate America. You know why? Because they are Americans themselves and in Islam, you should not deny your nationality and you should be proud being an American (in this case). You see, the thing about 9/11 is, some Muslims with messed up ideas did it. Not Islam.

It's even more funny when you think that all Muslims are happy that 9/11 happened. Muslims died in that incident too. The thing about that is, some Muslims (mostly old) in Middle-Eastern countries have this idea that the all "West" is evil and all sorts of horrible people are there. You can't just state the view of all Muslims about 9/11 based on those people. Most people in my country hate Al-Qaeda and think that 9/11 was an evil thing to do. Also, Al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than Americans in Iraq with suicide car bombings.

And burqa is degrading women? That statement is just retarded. Do you know that most Muslim women wear them by choice? Why don't you just go ask them about it instead of saying made up crap based on what you think. Most girls in my school wear them and other Muslim girls don't because it's up to them. No one is getting killed or abused by their parents for not wearing them. Muslim men don't want their women to suffer, no wants anyone to suffer. And to the guy who said women wearing only black and men white? Well did you know that it's part of their culture? Not all Muslims are Arab. I'm Kurdish and I dress just like other boy in my age and Burqa doesn't limit a woman to only one color. She can wear whatever she wants only if it covers all of her body.

Let's build a Halliburrtion right next to mecca, see what happens, lol.

This guy Osama Bin Laden is reading verses from the koran. I dont know anything about the koran, but I am yet to meet one person, who can say for a fact that the koran DOES NOT say awful things about non muslims. In fact, its quite the opposite. some of the things written in there are plain awful and insulting to people of other religions. doom3lv

"Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Surah 2:62)

Let's build a Halliburrtion right next to mecca, see what happens, lol.

p2250

Yes, clearly because other countries are oppressive, we should be like them, because that will show them.

I will never, ever understand this logic. :|

I can live with people who I don't like. Its not about liking them. Its about the kind of culture that they are bringing into America. doom3lv

Women you should not step outside your residence. If you go outside the house you should not be like women who used to go with fashionable clothes wearing much cosmetics and appearing in front of every men before the coming of Islam. Islam as a rescuing religion has determined specific dignity for women, Islam has valuable instructions for women. Women should not create such opportunity to attract the attention of useless people who will not look at them with a good eye. Women have the responsibility as a teacher or coordinator for her family. Husband, brother, father have the responsibility for providing the family with the necessary life requirements (food, clothes etc). In case women are required to go outside the residence for the purposes of education, social needs or social services they should cover themselves in accordance with Islamic Sharia regulation. If women are going outside with fashionable, ornamental, tight and charming clothes to show themselves, they will be cursed by the Islamic Sharia and should never expect to go to heaven. All family elders and every Muslim have responsibility in this respect. We request all family elders to keep tight control over their families and avoid these social problems. Otherwise these women will be threatened, investigated and severely punished as well as the family elders by the forces of the Religious Police

I can live with people who I don't like. Its not about liking them. Its about the kind of culture that they are bringing into America. doom3lv

Let's build a Halliburrtion right next to mecca, see what happens, lol.

p2250

Of course, the taliban are not muslims, the alqueda are not musilms. i have to ask, who are the muslims?doom3lv

You could just as easily ask, "Who are the Christians?"; the answer is about the same.

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]Of course, the taliban are not muslims, the alqueda are not musilms. i have to ask, who are the muslims?GabuEx

You could just as easily ask, "Who are the Christians?"; the answer is about the same.

Better than a religous establishment housing an Imam that backs the murderers of 9/11. All that othe stuff is common anywhere in the world, and was there before the incident. I believe it was pakistan that had the worst google searches, just terrible things like rape sex, animal sex, the most perveted you can get, the middle east countries are no better or worse than america when it comes to that.

VisigothSaxon

find that hard to believe, but then again this search was probably put forward by islam hating non muslims so i dont trust these lies one bit.

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]I can live with people who I don't like. Its not about liking them. Its about the kind of culture that they are bringing into America. H-Revolver

Ground zero is a cemetary putting a Mosque anwyhere near it is an insult. There are hundreds of mosques in New Yorks, they don't need one there. There is a Greek Orthodox Church that was blown up in 911, which is being refused building permits. It would be like putting a monument to Imperial Japan at Pearl Harbor.

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]Of course, the taliban are not muslims, the alqueda are not musilms. i have to ask, who are the muslims?doom3lv

You could just as easily ask, "Who are the Christians?"; the answer is about the same.

umm i dont think he hates christians but im sure as hell you hate islam

This issue has made me worried about America's intelligence and morals all at once....

:(

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]Of course, the taliban are not muslims, the alqueda are not musilms. i have to ask, who are the muslims?doom3lv

You could just as easily ask, "Who are the Christians?"; the answer is about the same.

Yes, clearly I said that I don't like Christianity and America, so I will go find somewhere else to live now.

[QUOTE="doom3lv"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

You could just as easily ask, "Who are the Christians?"; the answer is about the same.

sikanderahmed

umm i dont think he hates christians but im sure as hell you hate islam

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

umm i dont think he hates christians but im sure as hell you hate islam

doom3lv

I don't understand why you seem to be so proud of the fact that you hate something you are wilfully un-knowledgeable about. :?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] ^ Missed the point.doom3lv

That was all sarcasm for those of you who couldn't tell.