Interesting read on mosque by ground zero.

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"] If you don't like Christianity and America, please...you can definitely find other places to live. doom3lv

umm i dont think he hates christians but im sure as hell you hate islam

yup it makes me happy when haters get pissed off

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Ground zero is a cemetary putting a Mosque anwyhere near it is an insult. There are hundreds of mosques in New Yorks, they don't need one there. There is a Greek Orthodox Church that was blown up in 911, which is being refused building permits. It would be like putting a monument to Imperial Japan at Pearl Harbor.

biggest_loser

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"] If you don't like Christianity and America, please...you can definitely find other places to live. doom3lv

umm i dont think he hates christians but im sure as hell you hate islam

I feel real happy.

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"] If you don't like Christianity and America, please...you can definitely find other places to live. doom3lv

umm i dont think he hates christians but im sure as hell you hate islam

[QUOTE="doom3lv"][QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

umm i dont think he hates christians but im sure as hell you hate islam

sikanderahmed

yup it makes me happy when haters get pissed off

Let's build a Halliburrtion right next to mecca, see what happens, lol.

p2250

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]Well someone needs to say this. Pixel-Pirate

I find it funny how on Gun Rights and stuff the constitution needs to be revised etc...Yet this is totally awesome.

Not pissed off. Just sad. That in my own country, I have no freedom of expression because this land is so great, that it will go the extra mile to accommodate muslims. doom3lv

too bad you cant do anything about it, its time to get in the corner and weep

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]Well someone needs to say this. doom3lv

Not pissed off. Just sad. That in my own country, I have no freedom of expression because this land is so great, that it will go the extra mile to accommodate muslims. doom3lv

You're sitting here, on this forum, expressing repeatedly your views in exactly the way you want them to be expressed, and you're saying that you have no freedom of expression.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Most of the replies will probably be talking about the Constitution. Freedom of Religion etc...etc...Snipes_2

I find it funny how on Gun Rights and stuff the constitution needs to be revised etc...Yet this Constitutional right is awesome.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"] I forgot how much Conservatives hate the Constitution.Theokhoth

I find it funny how on Gun Rights and stuff the constitution needs to be revised etc...Yet this Constitutional right is awesome.

[QUOTE="H-Revolver"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]I can live with people who I don't like. Its not about liking them. Its about the kind of culture that they are bringing into America. doom3lv

This reminds me of that scene in Charlie Wilson's War.... done well i must say...

Begins With....

Gust Avrakotos: Promises were made!
Cravely: Not by me.
Gust Avrakotos: I've been with the company for twenty-four years. I was posted in Greece for fifteen. I've advised and armed the Hellenic Army. I've neutralized champions of communism. I've spent the past three years... learning *Finnish!* Which would come in handy here in Virginia, and I'm never ever sick at sea. So I wanna know why... I'm not gonna be your Helsinki station chief.

and Ends with....

Gust Avrakotos: [after smashing his boss's office window] My loyalty! For twenty four years people have been trying to kill me! People who know how. Now do you think that's because my dad was a Greek soda pop maker? Or do you think that's because I'm an American spy? Go **** yourself, you ****ing child!

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"]I believe it shouldn't be near there and I'm a frickin muslim.Snipes_2

Of course, again, islam is just misunderstood.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/06/2010621193810379477.htmldoom3lv

I guess that guy had no freedom of expression too? :P

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]This is a hypothetical question, so I am going to answer it.
If it were up to me, I would have no mosques anywhere in the western hemisphere. At this point you are going to call me a racist, bigot and other mean things.
So let me clarify a little bit. The reason I don't want them is because mosques represent an oppressive culture (in my mind). Places like Dubai and so on (which are supposedly west friendly), constantly issue warnings to westerners saying "Please respect our culture and do not wear short clothes.". I know this because I have been to Dubai.
So when they constantly remind us that we are in their land and that we must obey their rules, why don't we return the same favor?
The reason this does not happen is because taking pride in American way of life automatically turns into a racist. So be it. I can live with that. I know I am not a racist. I welcome muslims in this country, as long as they are willing to live by our rules, one of which includes not having a Sharia Law. GabuEx

What "rule" is being disobeyed by building a mosque in America?

The rule against being a Muslim in America?

I'm fairly certain that the presence of a mosque in America does not institute Sharia law.

They have the right to believe what they want to. How can we use our rights if we have to go with what everyone else says? If you ask me, building that mosque is the most American thing to do. I don't see anyone else taking advantage of their rights, they all just give in to the public opinion because they are insecure.flash_drive

they have all the right to build their mosque but i can understand if they back out because it might be a target of terrorism now.

Here's a little thought experiment. A Catholic church is being built down the street from an elementary school, where a few of the students who attend said school are victims of being sexually abused by a Catholic priest who has absolutely no connection to the aforementioned church that is being built besides the fact that he is Catholic. The local community is outraged by the construction of the church and demands that it be built somewhere else. Is the local community guilty of bigotry towards Catholics or are the people behind the construction of this church guilty of insensitivity? Which party is in the wrong?-Sun_Tzu-

How dare you trying to bring common sense in here?!? :x

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Same here.RogueShodown

I'm not against it. it's not in or on the World Trade Center spot, and it's not even across the street.

It's an open community center with a prayer area. It's 2 New York City blocks away from Ground Zero.

Last time i checked the the now defunct Burlington Coat Factory was not hallowed ground...

When Ground Zero is sorrounded by gentlmen's club, tacky crap, church's, and whatnot.

I really don't care what the critics are gonna whine about....

I would agree with them if it was on or in the new World Trade Center (which they haven't re-built yet...).

but i know what America's constitution states, and i view the Park51 project as also respecting the senstivities. but c'mon this is New York F'ing City!

Like Visigoth guy said "if i had it my way there would be no Mosque's in this country". and i gt the message. This is'nt even an issue of crossing unwritten red lines, you just don't like it to begin with. You cannot ask people like this "where is this aformentioned red line then?"

I'm so sick and tired of this debate coming up again and again...

I'm gonna leave with this last video...

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Better than a religous establishment housing an Imam that backs the murderers of 9/11. All that othe stuff is common anywhere in the world, and was there before the incident. I believe it was pakistan that had the worst google searches, just terrible things like rape sex, animal sex, the most perveted you can get, the middle east countries are no better or worse than america when it comes to that.

GabuEx

By "backs the murderers of 9/11", you of course mean "feels that the historical actions of America in the Middle East at least partly lead to the 9/11 attacks", yes?

I mean that he thinks we desearved 9/11.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

What "rule" is being disobeyed by building a mosque in America?

The rule against being a Muslim in America?

I'm fairly certain that the presence of a mosque in America does not institute Sharia law.

GabuEx

The rule that American Cemetaries should be respected.

I'm also fairly certain that the Burlington Coat Factory was not a cemetary, so I don't really know what you mean here.

Sigh, seriously? What about the countless numbers of Americans that are buried in ground zero? Does that qualify for a Cemetary. I mean come on, this is simple.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Better than a religous establishment housing an Imam that backs the murderers of 9/11. All that othe stuff is common anywhere in the world, and was there before the incident. I believe it was pakistan that had the worst google searches, just terrible things like rape sex, animal sex, the most perveted you can get, the middle east countries are no better or worse than america when it comes to that.

sikanderahmed

find that hard to believe, but then again this search was probably put forward by islam hating non muslims so i dont trust these lies one bit.

No, its true and I saw it on a News site. It was shocking to be honest, search the internet and you will find it.

I still don't understand why there is an issue or what the general population is arguing about.

thattotally

Here is the problem. Whenever some terrorist incident occurs and a muslim is behind it, all the muslims go, but that\s not true islam!
Did someone even bother checking further? why is that repeatedly there are attacks on western countries by muslims, and no one bothers to ask if there is something inherently wrong with the way this religion is preached?
granted there are millions of moderate muslims, but the price to pay for the freedom of these people is an occasional 9/11...I dont know. maybe we need to think about this further.doom3lv

Here is the problem. Whenever some terrorist incident occurs and a muslim is behind it, all the muslims go, but that\s not true islam!
Did someone even bother checking further? why is that repeatedly there are attacks on western countries by muslims, and no one bothers to ask if there is something inherently wrong with the way this religion is preached?
granted there are millions of moderate muslims, but the price to pay for the freedom of these people is an occasional 9/11...I dont know. maybe we need to think about this further. doom3lv

Hold on, you openly admit that you formed your opinion of Islam purely based on your reaction to Osama bin Laden, yet you're now exhorting people to research and think about things further?

Here is the problem. Whenever some terrorist incident occurs and a muslim is behind it, all the muslims go, but that\s not true islam!
Did someone even bother checking further? why is that repeatedly there are attacks on western countries by muslims, and no one bothers to ask if there is something inherently wrong with the way this religion is preached?
granted there are millions of moderate muslims, but the price to pay for the freedom of these people is an occasional 9/11...I dont know. maybe we need to think about this further. doom3lv

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"] If you don't like Christianity and America, please...you can definitely find other places to live. doom3lv

umm i dont think he hates christians but im sure as hell you hate islam

Well good sir! If you don't care for America and it's values (freedom of religion, expression. Multiculturalism) there are plenty of other countries.

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]Here is the problem. Whenever some terrorist incident occurs and a muslim is behind it, all the muslims go, but that\s not true islam!
Did someone even bother checking further? why is that repeatedly there are attacks on western countries by muslims, and no one bothers to ask if there is something inherently wrong with the way this religion is preached?
granted there are millions of moderate muslims, but the price to pay for the freedom of these people is an occasional 9/11...I dont know. maybe we need to think about this further. mattbbpl

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"] Did the gay people cause attacks of 9/11? Did the strippers cause 9/11? Was porn responsible for 9/11? doom3lv

Neither are the people who own the Community center or those who will go to it.

Thats good to know. We cant even consider the fact that there is something wrong here. In fact, if Christians were in the same position, I would definitely question my religion. This is something muslims never do.
To them, their religion is always right. No matter what. people need to think about this.
Why is that the majority of terrorists muslims? why are teachings of islam inspiring these people?
again, i have to ask, what is the price we are willing to pay for the rights of immigrant muslims? an occasional 9/11? a NY car bombing? a christmas airline bombing? when is this going to end?
if muslism hate america so much, please go live somewhere else. why bother taking a citizenship here?doom3lv

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"] If you don't like Christianity and America, please...you can definitely find other places to live. doom3lv

umm i dont think he hates christians but im sure as hell you hate islam

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]Here is the problem. Whenever some terrorist incident occurs and a muslim is behind it, all the muslims go, but that\s not true islam!
Did someone even bother checking further? why is that repeatedly there are attacks on western countries by muslims, and no one bothers to ask if there is something inherently wrong with the way this religion is preached?
granted there are millions of moderate muslims, but the price to pay for the freedom of these people is an occasional 9/11...I dont know. maybe we need to think about this further. doom3lv

But that wasn't the point anyway - at all.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Isn't it a little generalizing to accuse an entire religion of oppressing women?


Also I'd say funneling millions into campaigns to have homosexual marriage, adoption, etc banned....

Pixel-Pirate

Also just because someone opposes the homosexual inclination does not mean that they oppose the people who have such an inclination. In fact, many people with such attractions do indeed resist and oppose the attraction.

oh i care about it alright. i just dont want them abused by people from the middle east. doom3lv

Am I the only one seeing parallels with this and arguements for segregation years ago?

Also you are using some faulty logic. Not all muslims are from the middle east. There are white muslims, black muslims, asian muslims. There are muslims whose entire family have been here for a century. You are assuming all muslims apparently got on a boat and sailed over here after 9/11.

Here is a question. What do you think should be done about Islam in America? And please be specific. No vague "We shouldn't give into their demands!" or anything. If you were in charge, what would you do about it?

if muslism hate america so much, please go live somewhere else. why bother taking a citizenship here?doom3lv

Uh, because they don't hate America.

Here's a little thought experiment. A Catholic church is being built down the street from an elementary school, where a few of the students who attend said school are victims of being sexually abused by a Catholic priest who has absolutely no connection to the aforementioned church that is being built besides the fact that he is Catholic. The local community is outraged by the construction of the church and demands that it be built somewhere else. Is the local community guilty of bigotry towards Catholics or are the people behind the construction of this church guilty of insensitivity? Which party is in the wrong?-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]oh i care about it alright. i just dont want them abused by people from the middle east. Pixel-Pirate

Am I the only one seeing parallels with this and arguements for segregation years ago?

Also you are using some faulty logic. Not all muslims are from the middle east. There are white muslims, black muslims, asian muslims. There are muslims whose entire family have been here for a century. You are assuming all muslims apparently got on a boat and sailed over here after 9/11.

Here is a question. What do you think should be done about Islam in America? And please be specific. No vague "We shouldn't give into their demands!" or anything. If you were in charge, what would you do about it?

oh i care about it alright. i just dont want them abused by people from the middle east. doom3lv

Am I the only one seeing parallels with this and arguements for segregation years ago?

Also you are using some faulty logic. Not all muslims are from the middle east. There are white muslims, black muslims, asian muslims. There are muslims whose entire family have been here for a century. You are assuming all muslims apparently got on a boat and sailed over here after 9/11.

Here is a question. What do you think should be done about Islam in America? And please be specific. No vague "We shouldn't give into their demands!" or anything. If you were in charge, what would you do about it?

yeah. i dont like them. which is why obama is not getting my vote this time. he went to a muslim country and declared that america is not a christian country. nothing wrong in itself. but would someone from the middle east come to america and say their country is not a muslim country and everyone would be treated equally? dont think so. doom3lv