I hope nobody here actually thinks that Iran is much ofa threat... lol.
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2 reasons why we would never nuke Iran
1. to close to other countries
2. oil
We have a trade embargo with Iran for oil, so no oil for us. Unless we broke that.. which is plausible. And Iran is probably big enough that if we nuked them it wouldn't effect surrounding countries. Idk though. it all depends on which way the wind is blowing the radiation would kill thousands True.. we could just drop a few atom bombs though.[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Well North Korea don't have any missiles that could hit America...yet, but the U.S would never let it get to that. P.S - I wouldn't really put my trust in a missile defense system, it's far from working 100%.scorch-62I thought our missile defense system was crap, anyway. Maybe I'm mistaken. It's far from perfect but with the defense budget as big as it is, I'm sure they'll perfect it in a few years.
[QUOTE="Snakewiseman"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] We have a trade embargo with Iran for oil, so no oil for us. Unless we broke that.. which is plausible. And Iran is probably big enough that if we nuked them it wouldn't effect surrounding countries. Idk though.imaps3fanboyit all depends on which way the wind is blowing the radiation would kill thousands True.. we could just drop a few atom bombs though. Atom bombs still release radiation.
[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Well North Korea don't have any missiles that could hit America...yet, but the U.S would never let it get to that. P.S - I wouldn't really put my trust in a missile defense system, it's far from working 100%.scorch-62I thought our missile defense system was crap, anyway. Maybe I'm mistaken. its pretty B.A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_missile_defense
[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Well North Korea don't have any missiles that could hit America...yet, but the U.S would never let it get to that. P.S - I wouldn't really put my trust in a missile defense system, it's far from working 100%.MushroomWigI thought our missile defense system was crap, anyway. Maybe I'm mistaken. It's far from perfect but with the defense budget as big as it is, I'm sure they'll perfect it in a few years.
Let's also not forget that a lot of our defense is secret...We could have a bunch of new defense setups for all we know.
If Iran was attacked by Isreal, Isreal would loose, but not to Iran. Russia. You all have forgotten Iran has a defensive treaty with Russia that in the case of Iran or Russia being attacked, The other automaticly joins the War. Now imagine if the US attacked Iran:?
It's far from perfect but with the defense budget as big as it is, I'm sure they'll perfect it in a few years.[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] I thought our missile defense system was crap, anyway. Maybe I'm mistaken.taj7575
Let's also not forget that a lot of our defense is secret...We could have a bunch of new defense setups for all we know.
That thing has a laser on it.. friken awesome
LOL.. Israel would not lose.. they have one of the best air forces in the world and they also have nukes.If Iran was attacked by Isreal, Isreal would loose, but not to Iran. Russia. You all have forgotten Iran has a defensive treaty with Russia that in the case of Iran or Russia being attacked, The other automaticly joins the War. Now imagine if the US attacked Iran:?
lordreaven
[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] True.. we could just drop a few atom bombs though.imaps3fanboyAtom bombs still release radiation. Really? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiation Nope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die.
Exactly.. we aren't even enemies anymore.LOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...
WitIsWisdom
Hell, besides if it ever got down to that it would start world war three. Now take a look at our allies, and take a look at theirs. We win. ;)
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Atom bombs still release radiation.lordreavenReally? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiation Nope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die. I know that nukes have radiation lol.. I was talking about Atom bombs.
If Iran was attacked by Isreal, Isreal would loose, but not to Iran. Russia. You all have forgotten Iran has a defensive treaty with Russia that in the case of Iran or Russia being attacked, The other automaticly joins the War. Now imagine if the US attacked Iran:?
LOL.. Israel would not lose.. they have one of the best air forces in the world and they also have nukes. So does Russia, which has a defensive treaty with Iran.Not really. It would be a free-for-all. We don't really have that many allies, even though Israel, Britain and a few others would be nice. It would basically be US vs Russia vs ChinaHell, besides if it ever got down to that it would start world war three. Now take a look at our allies, and take a look at theirs. We win. ;)
WitIsWisdom
[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Really? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiationimaps3fanboyNope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die. I know that nukes have radiation lol.. I was talking about Atom bombs. Both the same. Atom bombs are Atomic Weapons, Nukes is just easier to use. They are the exact same. All thats different is the name.
[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Really? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiationimaps3fanboyNope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die. I know that nukes have radiation lol.. I was talking about Atom bombs. Atomic bombs are a type of nuclear bomb. They use a fission reaction while hydrogen bombs use a fusion reaction.
Oh, and by the way Israel would kick Irans ass! Israel has one of the best air force, special forces, and weapon training on the planet. Not to mention an ally with the US. US and Israel vs Iran and.... (guaranteed Russia wouldn't side with Iran if they knew US sided with Israel)
LOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...
Exactly.. we aren't even enemies anymore. on deadliest warrior they said spetznaz would beat our green beret hahaIf Iran was attacked by Isreal, Isreal would loose, but not to Iran. Russia. You all have forgotten Iran has a defensive treaty with Russia that in the case of Iran or Russia being attacked, The other automaticly joins the War. Now imagine if the US attacked Iran:?
LOL.. Israel would not lose.. they have one of the best air forces in the world and they also have nukes. So does Russia, which has a defensive treaty with Iran. True, that would start a chain reaction lol. Iran attacks Israel, Israel wipes out Iran. Russia attacks U.S and Israel. U.S and Israel defeat Russia. China comes in and pwns everyone. lolLOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...
Exactly.. we aren't even enemies anymore. on deadliest warrior they said spetznaz would beat our green beret haha Delta force > Spetznaz!The US would fear Russias army as it is one of the few armies in the world that has a chance to beat them. Downplaying their military capability is the first mistake on the road to defeat. NEVER underestimate your enemy.LOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...
WitIsWisdom
Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?
The US still have a ton of allies.
[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] LOL.. Israel would not lose.. they have one of the best air forces in the world and they also have nukes.imaps3fanboySo does Russia, which has a defensive treaty with Iran. True, that would start a chain reaction lol. Iran attacks Israel, Israel wipes out Iran. Russia attacks U.S and Israel. U.S and Israel defeat Russia. China comes in and pwns everyone. lol or russia beats israel, tehn looses to the US caus eof the casualtys then China steps in and beats evryone. We agree :shock:
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Atom bombs still release radiation.lordreavenReally? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiation Nope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die. Yup, even the basic Atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima caused the deaths of thousands due to radiation. :( The worst thing is, the Hiroshima bomb is nothing compared to the weapons of today, 12–15 KT compared to the 1.2 MT bombs that are active today.
Lol.. no one said that it wouldn't IDK what you're talking about. BTW: I'm sure a lot of our allies would turn on us.Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?
The US still have a ton of allies.
WitIsWisdom
See, that is where you are very wrong.... I never said I underestimated the russian army, but if you think russia by ITSELF had even a spit in a 100 gallon bucket chance of defeating the US you are insane.
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="lordreaven"] So does Russia, which has a defensive treaty with Iran.lordreavenTrue, that would start a chain reaction lol. Iran attacks Israel, Israel wipes out Iran. Russia attacks U.S and Israel. U.S and Israel defeat Russia. China comes in and pwns everyone. lol or russia beats israel, tehn looses to the US caus eof the casualtys then China steps in and beats evryone. We agree :shock: Yup. China is in a weird spot right now.
[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]Lol.. no one said that it wouldn't IDK what you're talking about. BTW: I'm sure a lot of our allies would turn on us.Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?
The US still have a ton of allies.
imaps3fanboy
Name a few of these allies that would turn on us if you would. How old are you by the way?
Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?
The US still have a ton of allies.
but if I undestand the NATO treaty right, it only applies to those who were attacked first. ANd what makes you think the Europeasn would be willing to jump to your help?The Europeans would probebly sit it out.Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?
The US still have a ton of allies.
WitIsWisdom
The only ones I would see actually coming in with us would be:
-Israel
-United Kingdom
France? They may bring in a few supplies but they probably will not be involved.
Some other countries like Poland, and other countries may bring in 100-200 soldiers, but thats it.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who Wednesday called President Barack Obama a nuclear-armed "cowboy", said Iran would "try to make an opportunity out of sanctions" rather than change its stance to avoid them.
wouldn't we have already nuked them by now if he was? Personally I think Obama's effort to reduce nukes in the world would already make them say otherwise. :?
Ok, give me a any loctaion in teh world and i will give you a rough calculation on who would win.See, that is where you are very wrong.... I never said I underestimated the russian army, but if you think russia by ITSELF had even a spit in a 100 gallon bucket chance of defeating the US you are insane.
WitIsWisdom
Lol.. no one said that it wouldn't IDK what you're talking about. BTW: I'm sure a lot of our allies would turn on us.[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]
Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?
The US still have a ton of allies.
WitIsWisdom
Name a few of these allies that would turn on us if you would. How old are you by the way?
Do you honestly think countries like France are going to help us?Now, China is a different story.... If China got pissed enough they probably have the power to actually have enough power to makeHitler's scheme of world domination a reality. There army isnt well trained, but overwhelming forces if key.
or russia beats israel, tehn looses to the US caus eof the casualtys then China steps in and beats evryone. We agree :shock: Yup. China is in a weird spot right now. The conscription rate would be insane if Total war broke out like WW2, i think they'd run out of guns than people. And their military is decent too.[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"] True, that would start a chain reaction lol. Iran attacks Israel, Israel wipes out Iran. Russia attacks U.S and Israel. U.S and Israel defeat Russia. China comes in and pwns everyone. lolWitIsWisdom
And tell me how they are going to transport all of the soldiers they have? Their air force is PATHETIC.Now, China is a different story.... If China got pissed enough they probably have the power to actually have enough power to makeHitler's scheme of world domination a reality. There army isnt well trained, but overwhelming forces if key.
WitIsWisdom
I don't know why we're talking so openly about war and nukes anyway...A full scale war is not anywhere close, and nukes will never (again, I'd like to think our politicians actually have somewhat of a brain) be used again. And they don't need to be used anyway. Again, it's not US that fears Iran...It's Iran that fears US and Israel..We are the threat to them; they are not even remotely close to being a threat to us..
Yup. China is in a weird spot right now. The conscription rate would be insane if Total war broke out like WW2, i think they'd run out of guns than people. And their military is decent too. Yea.. like I said though.. they wouldn't be able to transport fast enough due to a very lackluster air force[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] or russia beats israel, tehn looses to the US caus eof the casualtys then China steps in and beats evryone. We agree :shock:lordreaven
Now, China is a different story.... If China got pissed enough they probably have the power to actually have enough power to makeHitler's scheme of world domination a reality. There army isnt well trained, but overwhelming forces if key.
And tell me how they are going to transport all of the soldiers they have? Their air force is PATHETIC. I thought China had a well developed fighter force? Air transportation they lack, but the Fighters are almost the best in the region iirc.If push came to shove we would have help from a lot of other countries including Canada, UK, Germany, Japan, France, Poland, South Korea, India, Pakistan... should I go on?
it all depends on which way the wind is blowing the radiation would kill thousandsSnakewiseman
That depends on which types of bombs and which country launches them. Russian hydrogen fusion bombs? Yeah, there would be a bit of radiation to go around.
American hydrogen/fusion bombs, however, would yield little harmful radiation. A fusion bomb works by using a smaller fission reaction to set off a cascading fusion reaction. The fusion part of the explosion yields hardly any radiation. The bulk of the radiation comes from the fission reaction. The US has high-yield fusion bombs that use a smaller fission device than what was used at Hiroshima. Long story made short: some of our big bombs produce very little radiation.
I don't know why we're talking so openly about war and nukes anyway...A full scale war is not anywhere close, and nukes will never (again, I'd like to think our politicians actually have somewhat of a brain) be used again. And they don't need to be used anyway. Again, it's not US that fears Iran...It's Iran that fears US and Israel..We are the threat to them; they are not even remotely close to being a threat to us..
taj7575
EXACTLY
Now, China is a different story.... If China got pissed enough they probably have the power to actually have enough power to makeHitler's scheme of world domination a reality. There army isnt well trained, but overwhelming forces if key.
And tell me how they are going to transport all of the soldiers they have? Their air force is PATHETIC. I thought China had a well developed fighter force? Air transportation they lack, but the Fighters are almost the best in the region iirc. Yea.. thats what I meant. They would have no way to transport. They have the third largest in the world behind Russia and U.S.A.Canada?! France?! Poland?! India?! Pakistan?! Are you kidding me?!If push came to shove we would have help from a lot of other countries including Canada, UK, Germany, Japan, France, Poland, South Korea, India, Pakistan... should I go on?
WitIsWisdom
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