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#101 WitIsWisdom
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I hope nobody here actually thinks that Iran is much ofa threat... lol.

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#102 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="Snakewiseman"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Snakewiseman"]

2 reasons why we would never nuke Iran

1. to close to other countries

2. oil

We have a trade embargo with Iran for oil, so no oil for us. Unless we broke that.. which is plausible. And Iran is probably big enough that if we nuked them it wouldn't effect surrounding countries. Idk though.

it all depends on which way the wind is blowing the radiation would kill thousands

True.. we could just drop a few atom bombs though.
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#103 MushroomWig
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[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Well North Korea don't have any missiles that could hit America...yet, but the U.S would never let it get to that. P.S - I wouldn't really put my trust in a missile defense system, it's far from working 100%.scorch-62
I thought our missile defense system was crap, anyway. Maybe I'm mistaken.

It's far from perfect but with the defense budget as big as it is, I'm sure they'll perfect it in a few years.
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#104 MushroomWig
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[QUOTE="Snakewiseman"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] We have a trade embargo with Iran for oil, so no oil for us. Unless we broke that.. which is plausible. And Iran is probably big enough that if we nuked them it wouldn't effect surrounding countries. Idk though.imaps3fanboy
it all depends on which way the wind is blowing the radiation would kill thousands

True.. we could just drop a few atom bombs though.

Atom bombs still release radiation.
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#105 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Well North Korea don't have any missiles that could hit America...yet, but the U.S would never let it get to that. P.S - I wouldn't really put my trust in a missile defense system, it's far from working 100%.scorch-62
I thought our missile defense system was crap, anyway. Maybe I'm mistaken.

its pretty B.A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_missile_defense
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Well North Korea don't have any missiles that could hit America...yet, but the U.S would never let it get to that. P.S - I wouldn't really put my trust in a missile defense system, it's far from working 100%.MushroomWig
I thought our missile defense system was crap, anyway. Maybe I'm mistaken.

It's far from perfect but with the defense budget as big as it is, I'm sure they'll perfect it in a few years.

Let's also not forget that a lot of our defense is secret...We could have a bunch of new defense setups for all we know.

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#107 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Snakewiseman"] it all depends on which way the wind is blowing the radiation would kill thousands

True.. we could just drop a few atom bombs though.

Atom bombs still release radiation.

Really? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiation
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#108 lordreaven
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If Iran was attacked by Isreal, Isreal would loose, but not to Iran. Russia. You all have forgotten Iran has a defensive treaty with Russia that in the case of Iran or Russia being attacked, The other automaticly joins the War. Now imagine if the US attacked Iran:?

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#109 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] I thought our missile defense system was crap, anyway. Maybe I'm mistaken.taj7575

It's far from perfect but with the defense budget as big as it is, I'm sure they'll perfect it in a few years.

Let's also not forget that a lot of our defense is secret...We could have a bunch of new defense setups for all we know.

That thing has a laser on it.. friken awesome

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#110 WitIsWisdom
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LOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...

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If Iran was attacked by Isreal, Isreal would loose, but not to Iran. Russia. You all have forgotten Iran has a defensive treaty with Russia that in the case of Iran or Russia being attacked, The other automaticly joins the War. Now imagine if the US attacked Iran:?

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LOL.. Israel would not lose.. they have one of the best air forces in the world and they also have nukes.
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#112 lordreaven
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[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] True.. we could just drop a few atom bombs though.imaps3fanboy
Atom bombs still release radiation.

Really? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiation

Nope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die.
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#113 imaps3fanboy
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LOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...

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Exactly.. we aren't even enemies anymore.
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#114 WitIsWisdom
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Hell, besides if it ever got down to that it would start world war three. Now take a look at our allies, and take a look at theirs. We win. ;)

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#115 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Atom bombs still release radiation.lordreaven
Really? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiation

Nope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die.

I know that nukes have radiation lol.. I was talking about Atom bombs.
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#116 lordreaven
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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="lordreaven"]

If Iran was attacked by Isreal, Isreal would loose, but not to Iran. Russia. You all have forgotten Iran has a defensive treaty with Russia that in the case of Iran or Russia being attacked, The other automaticly joins the War. Now imagine if the US attacked Iran:?

LOL.. Israel would not lose.. they have one of the best air forces in the world and they also have nukes.

So does Russia, which has a defensive treaty with Iran.
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#117 imaps3fanboy
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Hell, besides if it ever got down to that it would start world war three. Now take a look at our allies, and take a look at theirs. We win. ;)

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Not really. It would be a free-for-all. We don't really have that many allies, even though Israel, Britain and a few others would be nice. It would basically be US vs Russia vs China
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#118 lordreaven
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[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Really? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiationimaps3fanboy
Nope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die.

I know that nukes have radiation lol.. I was talking about Atom bombs.

Both the same. Atom bombs are Atomic Weapons, Nukes is just easier to use. They are the exact same. All thats different is the name.
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[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Really? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiationimaps3fanboy
Nope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die.

I know that nukes have radiation lol.. I was talking about Atom bombs.

Atomic bombs are a type of nuclear bomb. They use a fission reaction while hydrogen bombs use a fusion reaction.
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Oh, and by the way Israel would kick Irans ass! Israel has one of the best air force, special forces, and weapon training on the planet. Not to mention an ally with the US. US and Israel vs Iran and.... (guaranteed Russia wouldn't side with Iran if they knew US sided with Israel)

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#121 Snakewiseman
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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

LOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...

Exactly.. we aren't even enemies anymore.

on deadliest warrior they said spetznaz would beat our green beret haha
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#122 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="lordreaven"]

If Iran was attacked by Isreal, Isreal would loose, but not to Iran. Russia. You all have forgotten Iran has a defensive treaty with Russia that in the case of Iran or Russia being attacked, The other automaticly joins the War. Now imagine if the US attacked Iran:?

LOL.. Israel would not lose.. they have one of the best air forces in the world and they also have nukes.

So does Russia, which has a defensive treaty with Iran.

True, that would start a chain reaction lol. Iran attacks Israel, Israel wipes out Iran. Russia attacks U.S and Israel. U.S and Israel defeat Russia. China comes in and pwns everyone. lol
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LOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...WitIsWisdom
Maybe not anymore we don't.
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#124 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="Snakewiseman"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

LOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...

Exactly.. we aren't even enemies anymore.

on deadliest warrior they said spetznaz would beat our green beret haha

Delta force > Spetznaz!
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#125 lordreaven
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LOL you really think the US military fears Russia? Come on man...

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The US would fear Russias army as it is one of the few armies in the world that has a chance to beat them. Downplaying their military capability is the first mistake on the road to defeat. NEVER underestimate your enemy.
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#126 WitIsWisdom
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Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?

The US still have a ton of allies.

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#127 lordreaven
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[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] LOL.. Israel would not lose.. they have one of the best air forces in the world and they also have nukes.imaps3fanboy
So does Russia, which has a defensive treaty with Iran.

True, that would start a chain reaction lol. Iran attacks Israel, Israel wipes out Iran. Russia attacks U.S and Israel. U.S and Israel defeat Russia. China comes in and pwns everyone. lol

or russia beats israel, tehn looses to the US caus eof the casualtys then China steps in and beats evryone. We agree :shock:
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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Atom bombs still release radiation.lordreaven
Really? I thought they were just nukes w/o the radiation

Nope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die.

Yup, even the basic Atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima caused the deaths of thousands due to radiation. :( The worst thing is, the Hiroshima bomb is nothing compared to the weapons of today, 12–15 KT compared to the 1.2 MT bombs that are active today.

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#129 imaps3fanboy
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Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?

The US still have a ton of allies.

WitIsWisdom
Lol.. no one said that it wouldn't IDK what you're talking about. BTW: I'm sure a lot of our allies would turn on us.
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#130 WitIsWisdom
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See, that is where you are very wrong.... I never said I underestimated the russian army, but if you think russia by ITSELF had even a spit in a 100 gallon bucket chance of defeating the US you are insane.

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#131 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="lordreaven"] So does Russia, which has a defensive treaty with Iran.lordreaven
True, that would start a chain reaction lol. Iran attacks Israel, Israel wipes out Iran. Russia attacks U.S and Israel. U.S and Israel defeat Russia. China comes in and pwns everyone. lol

or russia beats israel, tehn looses to the US caus eof the casualtys then China steps in and beats evryone. We agree :shock:

Yup. China is in a weird spot right now.
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[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?

The US still have a ton of allies.

imaps3fanboy

Lol.. no one said that it wouldn't IDK what you're talking about. BTW: I'm sure a lot of our allies would turn on us.

Name a few of these allies that would turn on us if you would. How old are you by the way?

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#133 lordreaven
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[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?

The US still have a ton of allies.

but if I undestand the NATO treaty right, it only applies to those who were attacked first. ANd what makes you think the Europeasn would be willing to jump to your help?The Europeans would probebly sit it out.
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Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?

The US still have a ton of allies.

WitIsWisdom

The only ones I would see actually coming in with us would be:

-Israel

-United Kingdom

France? They may bring in a few supplies but they probably will not be involved.

Some other countries like Poland, and other countries may bring in 100-200 soldiers, but thats it.

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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who Wednesday called President Barack Obama a nuclear-armed "cowboy", said Iran would "try to make an opportunity out of sanctions" rather than change its stance to avoid them.

wouldn't we have already nuked them by now if he was? Personally I think Obama's effort to reduce nukes in the world would already make them say otherwise. :?

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#136 lordreaven
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See, that is where you are very wrong.... I never said I underestimated the russian army, but if you think russia by ITSELF had even a spit in a 100 gallon bucket chance of defeating the US you are insane.

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Ok, give me a any loctaion in teh world and i will give you a rough calculation on who would win.
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#137 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"] Exactly.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Wait, is someone actually saying that if the US, Russia, and China started a war that it wouldn't start WW3? LMAO.... really?

The US still have a ton of allies.

WitIsWisdom

Lol.. no one said that it wouldn't IDK what you're talking about. BTW: I'm sure a lot of our allies would turn on us.

Name a few of these allies that would turn on us if you would. How old are you by the way?

Do you honestly think countries like France are going to help us?
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Now, China is a different story.... If China got pissed enough they probably have the power to actually have enough power to makeHitler's scheme of world domination a reality. There army isnt well trained, but overwhelming forces if key.

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It's never smart to threaten someone bigger and stronger thanyou.

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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"] True, that would start a chain reaction lol. Iran attacks Israel, Israel wipes out Iran. Russia attacks U.S and Israel. U.S and Israel defeat Russia. China comes in and pwns everyone. lolWitIsWisdom

or russia beats israel, tehn looses to the US caus eof the casualtys then China steps in and beats evryone. We agree :shock:

Yup. China is in a weird spot right now.

The conscription rate would be insane if Total war broke out like WW2, i think they'd run out of guns than people. And their military is decent too.

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Now, China is a different story.... If China got pissed enough they probably have the power to actually have enough power to makeHitler's scheme of world domination a reality. There army isnt well trained, but overwhelming forces if key.

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And tell me how they are going to transport all of the soldiers they have? Their air force is PATHETIC.
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#142 taj7575
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I don't know why we're talking so openly about war and nukes anyway...A full scale war is not anywhere close, and nukes will never (again, I'd like to think our politicians actually have somewhat of a brain) be used again. And they don't need to be used anyway. Again, it's not US that fears Iran...It's Iran that fears US and Israel..We are the threat to them; they are not even remotely close to being a threat to us..

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[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] or russia beats israel, tehn looses to the US caus eof the casualtys then China steps in and beats evryone. We agree :shock:lordreaven

Yup. China is in a weird spot right now.

The conscription rate would be insane if Total war broke out like WW2, i think they'd run out of guns than people. And their military is decent too.

Yea.. like I said though.. they wouldn't be able to transport fast enough due to a very lackluster air force
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#144 lordreaven
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[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Now, China is a different story.... If China got pissed enough they probably have the power to actually have enough power to makeHitler's scheme of world domination a reality. There army isnt well trained, but overwhelming forces if key.

And tell me how they are going to transport all of the soldiers they have? Their air force is PATHETIC.

I thought China had a well developed fighter force? Air transportation they lack, but the Fighters are almost the best in the region iirc.
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#145 WitIsWisdom
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If push came to shove we would have help from a lot of other countries including Canada, UK, Germany, Japan, France, Poland, South Korea, India, Pakistan... should I go on?

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it all depends on which way the wind is blowing the radiation would kill thousandsSnakewiseman

That depends on which types of bombs and which country launches them. Russian hydrogen fusion bombs? Yeah, there would be a bit of radiation to go around.

American hydrogen/fusion bombs, however, would yield little harmful radiation. A fusion bomb works by using a smaller fission reaction to set off a cascading fusion reaction. The fusion part of the explosion yields hardly any radiation. The bulk of the radiation comes from the fission reaction. The US has high-yield fusion bombs that use a smaller fission device than what was used at Hiroshima. Long story made short: some of our big bombs produce very little radiation.

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#147 WitIsWisdom
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I don't know why we're talking so openly about war and nukes anyway...A full scale war is not anywhere close, and nukes will never (again, I'd like to think our politicians actually have somewhat of a brain) be used again. And they don't need to be used anyway. Again, it's not US that fears Iran...It's Iran that fears US and Israel..We are the threat to them; they are not even remotely close to being a threat to us..

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EXACTLY

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#148 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Now, China is a different story.... If China got pissed enough they probably have the power to actually have enough power to makeHitler's scheme of world domination a reality. There army isnt well trained, but overwhelming forces if key.

And tell me how they are going to transport all of the soldiers they have? Their air force is PATHETIC.

I thought China had a well developed fighter force? Air transportation they lack, but the Fighters are almost the best in the region iirc.

Yea.. thats what I meant. They would have no way to transport. They have the third largest in the world behind Russia and U.S.A.
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#149 imaps3fanboy
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If push came to shove we would have help from a lot of other countries including Canada, UK, Germany, Japan, France, Poland, South Korea, India, Pakistan... should I go on?

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Canada?! France?! Poland?! India?! Pakistan?! Are you kidding me?!
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#150 SgtKevali
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Who cares what Ahmedinejad thinks? Nobody should be afraid of Iran, they would never dare attack the USA, or Israel because in both instances they would be decimated pretty quickly.