Iran threatens USA

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="lordreaven"] Nope, Nukes always have Radiation. Very nasty what it will do to you. It maybe the most painful way to die (depending on the dose of radiation you received), the higher the dose, the more painfull (but quickly) you will die.lordreaven

The day of the pellet fired U238 doesn't really exist anymore.

[QUOTE="XanderKage"]

Well, it's official. Israel will be nuked within the 5 years. It's been nice knowing you all...

imaps3fanboy

They said that they would attack if they felt that the USA was a threat....that sounds like what any country would do. I think the USA should stop supporting Israel, because that is obviously making Iran made.

i love how all these mid east countries talk all this noise about how they are going to destroy the US like remember how Saddam was all sayin he was going to destroy the US and then we destroyed him in one night.... these guys are like the lil 8 yr olds in MW2 that talk all that noise but cant shoot the broad side of a barn.Trollsters

Iran has a much more powerful military than Iraq. About a million active troops, and over 11 million paramilitary.

Iran has a much more powerful military than Iraq. About a million active troops, and over 11 million paramilitary.

RearNakedChoke

Iran would still be hopelessly outmatched in a conventional war against the United States.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] I know that nukes have radiation lol.. I was talking about Atom bombs.samuraiguns

The day of the pellet fired U238 doesn't really exist anymore.

[QUOTE="RearNakedChoke"]

Iran has a much more powerful military than Iraq. About a million active troops, and over 11 million paramilitary.

Palantas

Iran would still be hopelessly outmatched in a conventional war against the United States.

I agree. But they would still experience heavy casualties if they were to invade Iran. The US and it's allies have been in Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly a decade with no indication of an end in the near future. They're fighting 10's of thousands of insurgents, not millions of Iranian soldiers. Iran has better kit too, despite it not being on the same level as the US or other first world nations.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="RearNakedChoke"]

Iran has a much more powerful military than Iraq. About a million active troops, and over 11 million paramilitary.

RearNakedChoke

Iran would still be hopelessly outmatched in a conventional war against the United States.

I agree. But they would still experience heavy casualties if they were to invade Iran. The US and it's allies have been in Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly a decade with no indication of an end in the near future. They're fighting 10's of thousands of insurgents, not millions of Iranian soldiers. Iran has better kit too, despite it not being on the same level as the US or other first world nations.

There are differences though

-Iran does not have the awful terrain of Afghanistan

-It does not have much random paramilitary or guerrilla warfare as opposed to Iraq or Afghanistan. It's an actual military.

-More people are against the Iranian Gov't, so there could be Western support from Iran itself.

If we went to Iran, we would not fight many insurgents as opposed to soldiers. Insurgents are harder to pick out, because they blend in with the civilians.

Iran's like the short kid on the playground with a big mouth. He's gotta say stuff like this, otherwise all the bigger kids will walk all over him. But all it takes it one decent push to shut him up. I wouldn't worry about Tehran and it's idiotic president.KH-mixerX

I think thats more like North Korea.

I agree. But they would still experience heavy casualties if they were to invade Iran. The US and it's allies have been in Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly a decade with no indication of an end in the near future. They're fighting 10's of thousands of insurgents, not millions of Iranian soldiers. Iran has better kit too, despite it not being on the same level as the US or other first world nations.

RearNakedChoke

I disagree. I think you're making a flawed comparison here, or we're talking about different things.The going'srough in Iraq because we're fighting insurgents in a population we're trying to support. That's a completely different animal from fighting a conventional military.

Without doing any research, I think if the US invaded Iran, we would go through them like butter. Their command and control would be wiped out almost instantly, and their supply would soon follow. Our Army would cut off and annihilate their units in detail, with overwhelming air support. I think we'd see mass surrenders like in Desert Storm, or units just melting away after short engagements like in Iraq 2003. Numbers really mean jack here. We completely outc|ass Iran's military in any way you might possibly measure combat power. Now, if after an invasion we then tried to ocuppy the country, we'd be in for trouble.

Note: I use "we" and "us" to refer to the United States here. Not sure where you're from.

EDIT:

If you're interested, here's a c|assic article that every US Army officer has read: "Why Arabs Lose Wars." It talks about the differences in culture between America's military (which would also apply to Britain, Germany, France, so on) and Middle Eastern armies, and how that affects warfighting capability.

Atom bombs are a thing of the past, kind of a relic from the cold war. The world has moved on. And besides, I don't think Iran is really interested in nukes. Just like Iraq as we found out wasn't.

Israel has many nukes, yet they can't defeat palastineans.

India can't defeat Pakistan.

North Korea can't defeat the South.

And even when the Soviets collapsed, their nukes didn't help them in the cold war.

I think Iran is more of a military power. They rely on their military a lot more than anything.

Atom bombs are a thing of the past, kind of a relic from the cold war. The world has moved on. And besides, I don't think Iran is really interested in nukes. Just like Iraq as we found out wasn't.

Israel has many nukes, yet they can't defeat palastineans.

India can't defeat Pakistan.

North Korea can't defeat the South.

And even when the Soviets collapsed, their nukes didn't help them in the cold war.

I think Iran is more of a military power. They rely on their military a lot more than anything.

outworld222

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

Atom bombs are a thing of the past, kind of a relic from the cold war. The world has moved on. And besides, I don't think Iran is really interested in nukes. Just like Iraq as we found out wasn't.

Israel has many nukes, yet they can't defeat palastineans.

India can't defeat Pakistan.

North Korea can't defeat the South.

And even when the Soviets collapsed, their nukes didn't help them in the cold war.

I think Iran is more of a military power. They rely on their military a lot more than anything.

789shadow

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

Atom bombs are a thing of the past, kind of a relic from the cold war. The world has moved on. And besides, I don't think Iran is really interested in nukes. Just like Iraq as we found out wasn't.

Israel has many nukes, yet they can't defeat palastineans.

India can't defeat Pakistan.

North Korea can't defeat the South.

And even when the Soviets collapsed, their nukes didn't help them in the cold war.

I think Iran is more of a military power. They rely on their military a lot more than anything.

outworld222

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

Yeaahhhhh......

[QUOTE="outworld222"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

789shadow

Yeaahhhhh......

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

Atom bombs are a thing of the past, kind of a relic from the cold war. The world has moved on. And besides, I don't think Iran is really interested in nukes. Just like Iraq as we found out wasn't.

Israel has many nukes, yet they can't defeat palastineans.

India can't defeat Pakistan.

North Korea can't defeat the South.

And even when the Soviets collapsed, their nukes didn't help them in the cold war.

I think Iran is more of a military power. They rely on their military a lot more than anything.

outworld222

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

Nuclear war is AWESOME, people!!!

Haven't any of you played fallout 3? It's fun living in post-apocalyptia!!!

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just kidding.

Canada sits back and says "eh, come on eh?"

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="outworld222"] There's nothing wrong with it. These are facts.outworld222

Yeaahhhhh......

I have never tried to elaborate to a brick wall, and I'm not starting today.

[QUOTE="outworld222"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yeaahhhhh......

789shadow

I have never tried to elaborate to a brick wall, and I'm not starting today.

[QUOTE="outworld222"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yeaahhhhh......

789shadow

I have never tried to elaborate to a brick wall, and I'm not starting today.

We have nukes, they don't. We win.imaps3fanboy

Aren't they in the process of making some, though?Doolz2024

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]We have nukes, they don't. We win.Doolz2024

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]We have nukes, they don't. We win.789shadow

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]Aren't they in the process of making some, though?Doolz2024

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.

It's highly unlikely. Iran would have to build a propulsion system capable of launching missile literally almost halfway around the world.

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]We have nukes, they don't. We win.789shadow

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.

They support terrorist (fact), terrorist could slip it past our weak border.

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.

789shadow

It's highly unlikely. Iran would have to build a propulsion system capable of launching missile literally almost halfway around the world.

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.789shadow

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]Aren't they in the process of making some, though?dercoo

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.

They support terrorist (fact), terrorist could slip it past our weak border.

I'm well aware of that possibility, but I said "direct attack". That is more of an indirect attack.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]Aren't they in the process of making some, though?dercoo

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.

They support terrorist (fact), terrorist could slip it past our weak border.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.

imaps3fanboy

They support terrorist (fact), terrorist could slip it past our weak border.

Basically, they could use terrorists groups to deliver the nuke to a US target.

Basically, they could use terrorists groups to deliver the nuke to a US target.789shadow

Reminds me of a funny thing that happened in my American history behind the screen clas s.

Student put a little joke picture of Ahmadinejad with I support Ahmadinejad.

My teacher proceeded to improve the poster.

He added "the assassination" in pen.:P

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

They support terrorist (fact), terrorist could slip it past our weak border.

789shadow

Basically, they could use terrorists groups to deliver the nuke to a US target.

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Even when if they do make a nuke, they do not have the capability to directly assualt the US with it. We are simply too far away.

789shadow

It's highly unlikely. Iran would have to build a propulsion system capable of launching missile literally almost halfway around the world.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] They could slip a nuke (that they don't have) past our border? What are you talking about? imaps3fanboy

Basically, they could use terrorists groups to deliver the nuke to a US target.

You do realize that millions of pounds of drugs are simply driven in to the country, right?

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Basically, they could use terrorists groups to deliver the nuke to a US target.

789shadow

You do realize that millions of pounds of drugs are simply driven in to the country, right?

Atom bombs are a thing of the past, kind of a relic from the cold war. The world has moved on. And besides, I don't think Iran is really interested in nukes. Just like Iraq as we found out wasn't.

Israel has many nukes, yet they can't defeat palastineans.

India can't defeat Pakistan.

North Korea can't defeat the South.

And even when the Soviets collapsed, their nukes didn't help them in the cold war.

I think Iran is more of a military power. They rely on their military a lot more than anything.

outworld222

India has defeated Pakistan in every war they have been in. What are you talking about?

[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] By airplane? Because if they would try that by air travel they would be caught immediately.. and its not like you can drive a nuke in the U.S lol. Or are you saying give the nuke to an enemy closer to us?imaps3fanboy

If they tried flying it in on an unauthorized vehicle, then no. However, it would be more than possible to smuggle it in on a legal vessel.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Now, China is a different story.... If China got pissed enough they probably have the power to actually have enough power to makeHitler's scheme of world domination a reality. There army isnt well trained, but overwhelming forces if key.

lordreaven

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="optiow"] Smuggling. You could get it in by boat, plane, whichever way you want. You could even send it in parts to be assembled in the US itself.789shadow

If they tried flying it in on an unauthorized vehicle, then no. However, it would be more than possible to smuggle it in on a legal vessel.

Yep, we did it with Turkey during the Cold War (Even Kennedy didn't know the US had missiles there..)

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="optiow"] Smuggling. You could get it in by boat, plane, whichever way you want. You could even send it in parts to be assembled in the US itself.789shadow

If they tried flying it in on an unauthorized vehicle, then no. However, it would be more than possible to smuggle it in on a legal vessel.

[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] By airplane? Because if they would try that by air travel they would be caught immediately.. and its not like you can drive a nuke in the U.S lol. Or are you saying give the nuke to an enemy closer to us?imaps3fanboy

You do realise nukes can be about the size of a travel bag (not radiation safe to people near by, but they're already suicidal)

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="optiow"] Smuggling. You could get it in by boat, plane, whichever way you want. You could even send it in parts to be assembled in the US itself.dercoo

You do realise nukes can be about the size of a travel bag (not radiation safe to people near by, but they're already suicidal)