Is It Just A Coincidence?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Well thats what I usually hear from them when someone asks why didnt God make sure that His religion was the only one on earth or the most predominasnt one; in short to the question: why didnt God make sure most (if not all) people would come in touch with his right teachings?

And I am not saying it isnt important. Just pointing out that its contradictory for evangelicals to defend free will considering some other dogmas they have conjured up from their interpretation of the Bible.

LJS9502_basic

But anyway I amjust presenting the evangelical view, with which I dont agree in most parts.

No its not the reason it happened in the first place. Its just an explanation given as to why God allows this to happen.

But anyway I amjust presenting the evangelical view, with which I dont agree in most parts.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]No its not the reason it happened in the first place. Its just an explanation given as to why God allows this to happen.

But anyway I amjust presenting the evangelical view, with which I dont agree in most parts.

LJS9502_basic

I was just trying to point that out. Not to show that free will is laughable as a notion or whatever.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]No its not the reason it happened in the first place. Its just an explanation given as to why God allows this to happen.

But anyway I amjust presenting the evangelical view, with which I dont agree in most parts.

Teenaged

I was just trying to point that out. Not to show that free will is laughable as a notion or whatever.

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] But he's asking why there's different religions at all, if there is only one God. Each has their own prophet; Jesus, Muhammed and Moses, respectively, but each teaches a different way of life. Just look at how each denies the consumption of at least one type of meat.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well free will is important. As is faith. In dealing with faith.....would it mean anything at all if God made us believe in Him? Of course not. Life is a blank canvas. Make of it what you will. As in any endeavor there are consequences both good and bad for the choices we make. Why should faith be any different?

LJS9502_basic

I was just trying to point that out. Not to show that free will is laughable as a notion or whatever.

Gotcha. ;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] But he's asking why there's different religions at all, if there is only one God. Each has their own prophet; Jesus, Muhammed and Moses, respectively, but each teaches a different way of life. Just look at how each denies the consumption of at least one type of meat.AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

Most of Jesus "unique" qualities were stolen from Horus. Christianity is not unique whatsoever. Jesus is not the only god reported to have been born of a virgin, he is not the only god to have allegedly performed miracles, he's not the only god to have allegedly walked on water. Hell, even the trinity is not unique-- they stole that from Hinduism. :lol:

links136

Hello. If your would like some information on that debunked claim, that goes deeper into the truth that just a YouTube video such as Zeitgeist, it can be found in the following links.

The reality is that anyone can make claims like that but backing those claims up with sound historical evidence, not so much.

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/HORUS.htm

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat.html

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html

Anyone can make claims like that but backing them up with sound historical evidence, not so much.

I think south park might sum it up best.

Jesus: "here is a pitcher of water. Now just.... turn around......"

"huh?"

"just turn around...."

*switches pitcher of water with pitcher of wine*

"that trick sucks"

Jesus:"Oh, I guess it worked better on people 2000 years ago"

Considering the religions based on works today such as Star Trek or Scientology, the lack of travel and scientific background making folks 2000 years ago very gullible, as well as the tendency of humans to exaggerate stories, times that by several translations and its highly likely Jesus is overrated. Especially when you consider everyone worked crappy lives as farmers or peasents back then and being told not doing things they probably can't do anyways gets them eternal Paradise makes him extremely likable. Just look at all the crap about Chuck Norris.

Well, some may choose to rely on South Park for their evidence but others like Dr. Greenleaf, choose to dig deep into the real historical evidence in their search for the truth.

"Dr. Simon Greenleaf, the Royal Professor of Law at Harvard University and author of A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. He was determined, once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection. He examined the value of the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ to ascertain the truth. He applied the principles contained in his three-volume treatise on evidence. His findings were recorded in his book, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. He came to the conclusion that, according to the laws of legal evidence used in courts of law, there is more evidence for the historical fact of the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for just about any other event in ancient history.

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!" source: Evidence that Demands a Verdict

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!" source: Evidence that Demands a Verdict

blackregiment

If the evidence is so overwhelming, why isn't everyone a Christian?

I dunno. I'd say the Buddha, Lao-Tzu, and Muhammad have changed many lives as well.

[QUOTE="links136"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Hello. If your would like some information on that debunked claim, that goes deeper into the truth that just a YouTube video such as Zeitgeist, it can be found in the following links.

The reality is that anyone can make claims like that but backing those claims up with sound historical evidence, not so much.

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/HORUS.htm

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat.html

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html

Anyone can make claims like that but backing them up with sound historical evidence, not so much.

blackregiment

I think south park might sum it up best.

Jesus: "here is a pitcher of water. Now just.... turn around......"

"huh?"

"just turn around...."

*switches pitcher of water with pitcher of wine*

"that trick sucks"

Jesus:"Oh, I guess it worked better on people 2000 years ago"

Considering the religions based on works today such as Star Trek or Scientology, the lack of travel and scientific background making folks 2000 years ago very gullible, as well as the tendency of humans to exaggerate stories, times that by several translations and its highly likely Jesus is overrated. Especially when you consider everyone worked crappy lives as farmers or peasents back then and being told not doing things they probably can't do anyways gets them eternal Paradise makes him extremely likable. Just look at all the crap about Chuck Norris.

Well, some may choose to rely on South Park for their evidence but others like Dr. Greenleaf, choose to dig deep into the real historical evidence in their search for the truth.

"Dr. Simon Greenleaf, the Royal Professor of Law at Harvard University and author of A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. He was determined, once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection. He examined the value of the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ to ascertain the truth. He applied the principles contained in his three-volume treatise on evidence. His findings were recorded in his book, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. He came to the conclusion that, according to the laws of legal evidence used in courts of law, there is more evidence for the historical fact of the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for just about any other event in ancient history.

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!" source: Evidence that Demands a Verdict

[QUOTE="dog64"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

That's right. We are all sinners, separated from a holy, just and righteous God by our sin nature. The only way to bridge that gap and be reunited with Him is in Christ.

blackregiment

Joining any religion will not clean you of your desires, or sinful nature. They will remain your entire life.

Religions are man made. They are man's attempt tp reach up to God, please Him with their works, and earn their salvation. Christianity is a loving God, reaching down to fallen and sinful man, unable to save themselves, with a path to salvation and eternal fellowship with Him in Christ.

That is the difference.

Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Christianity is a loving God? Must be why God expects you and the rest of the clan to engage in Dark Crusades when Christendom is questioned or somehow under attack or it must be why God murdered the first born of every couple in Egypt, just to prove a point.

Christianity is a loving God? Must be why God expects you and the rest of the clan to engage in Dark Crusades when Christendom is questioned or somehow under attack or it must be why God murdered the first born of every couple in Egypt, just to prove a point.

_R34LiTY_

Jesus Christ, one Man, one Person, has changed people, lives, and the world in general unlike any other. Christianity treats women with respect. Christianity calls for holy living. Christianity says that salvation is by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ as repentance. Christianity is unique. Christianity is, many times, singled out for ridicule more than any other religion. The Bible has advanced scientific information; or, it did for the time it was written. The Bible has never been shown to be in error. The Bible and its principles cover every area of life, basically; if you're not sure about something morally, you can go to it and find the answer. Christ has taken people we call very wicked and changed them. I could undoubtedly put much more. Just think about Christ, Jesus Christ - the impact He's had and is continuing to have on this world. Think about how, unlike other religions, rather than lowering women, it exalts them. Think of how it says works cannot save you, only faith in Jesus Christ and repentance has. Think of its uniqueness! I pointed out all these things above, but I wanted to re-emphasize them. Think of these I have re-emphasized, and all of the other things above. Think of it. Now, answer this question. Is It Just A Coincidence...just a coincidence of how perfect, how awesome, how amazing, how unique Christ and Christianity is? Voice your thoughts in the poll. Please Note: This topic's purpose is evangelism. Please keep the discussion around Christian/faith/religious-based subjects; creation vs. evolution, the infallibility of the Bible, God, et cetera; and, of course, the poll question. Also, please refrain from spamming and off-topic postings. Thank you. God bless, Crushmaster.Crushmaster

I don't see how you can say Christianity treats women with respect and yet at the same time oppose women working in the government or in law enforcement in the name of Christianity. And I also don't see how you can say that the Bible has advanced scientific information, and yet at the same time say that the bible rejects evolution. Me thinks that you are not being honest.

I don't see how you can say Christianity treats women with respect and yet at the same time oppose women working in the government or in law enforcement in the name of Christianity. And I also don't see how you can say that the Bible has advanced scientific information, and yet at the same time say that the bible rejects evolution. Me thinks that you are not being honest.

-Sun_Tzu-

But of course, that knowledge is in philosophical and metaphorical forms and is, thus, absolutely no use to anyone.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!" source: Evidence that Demands a Verdict

RadBooley

If the evidence is so overwhelming, why isn't everyone a Christian?

This is what the Word of God says is the reason. He explains it this way.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Christianity is a loving God? Must be why God expects you and the rest of the clan to engage in Dark Crusades when Christendom is questioned or somehow under attack or it must be why God murdered the first born of every couple in Egypt, just to prove a point.

LJS9502_basic

Whatever it was about, the murderous crusades were done in the name of God. I'm guessing also then thatthe first borns not being able to respawn was just a terrible coincidence that wasn't administered by God itself.

Gotcha

[QUOTE="RadBooley"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!" source: Evidence that Demands a Verdict

blackregiment

If the evidence is so overwhelming, why isn't everyone a Christian?

This is what the Word of God says is the reason. He explains it this way.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="links136"]

I think south park might sum it up best.

Jesus: "here is a pitcher of water. Now just.... turn around......"

"huh?"

"just turn around...."

*switches pitcher of water with pitcher of wine*

"that trick sucks"

Jesus:"Oh, I guess it worked better on people 2000 years ago"

Considering the religions based on works today such as Star Trek or Scientology, the lack of travel and scientific background making folks 2000 years ago very gullible, as well as the tendency of humans to exaggerate stories, times that by several translations and its highly likely Jesus is overrated. Especially when you consider everyone worked crappy lives as farmers or peasents back then and being told not doing things they probably can't do anyways gets them eternal Paradise makes him extremely likable. Just look at all the crap about Chuck Norris.

MrPraline

Well, some may choose to rely on South Park for their evidence but others like Dr. Greenleaf, choose to dig deep into the real historical evidence in their search for the truth.

"Dr. Simon Greenleaf, the Royal Professor of Law at Harvard University and author of A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. He was determined, once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection. He examined the value of the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ to ascertain the truth. He applied the principles contained in his three-volume treatise on evidence. His findings were recorded in his book, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. He came to the conclusion that, according to the laws of legal evidence used in courts of law, there is more evidence for the historical fact of the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for just about any other event in ancient history.

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!" source: Evidence that Demands a Verdict

Well, if you are interested in learning more about the evidence that convinced Dr. Greenleaf that the resurrection of Jesus Christ was true historical event, resulting in him becoming a Christian, you can always read his book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice."

By the way, Christians do not convert anyone. That is the work of the Holy Spirit.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="RadBooley"]

If the evidence is so overwhelming, why isn't everyone a Christian?

MrPraline

This is what the Word of God says is the reason. He explains it this way.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

And I prefer to let God's Word and wisdom, explain things.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

To each his own.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Well, if you are interested in learning more about the evidence that convinced Dr. Greenleaf that the resurrection of Jesus Christ was true historical event, resulting in him becoming a Christian, you can always read his book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice."

By the way, Christians do not convert anyone. That is the work of the Holy Spirit.

blackregiment

Im not an athiest and im not religious either, but you know what most religious people piss me off especialy when they start persuading me to convert or start spewing rhetoric. Dont get me wrong some of the coolest people I know who also happen to be some of the people I atualy have respect for are religious, clerics, pastors, priests etc. in other owrds these are people who can have an inteligent conversation about religion without just repeating mindless rhetoric. NOT SO FOR THE MAJORITY. Alot of the worlds problems are directly linked to religion. Alot of the intolerance, terrorism, abuse, are caused by religion. some of the biggest A holes I know hide behind a mask of prestige and self rightousness. What about TELEVANGELIST or that HORRID TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK. what an abomination you see these people in full make up and full of jewelry and realy tacky sets. wanting you to send them money.

This is a rant but it boils down to this: religion is just an instrument of control and subjugation....It was true then and is still true now.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]Well, if you are interested in learning more about the evidence that convinced Dr. Greenleaf that the resurrection of Jesus Christ was true historical event, resulting in him becoming a Christian, you can always read his book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice."

By the way, Christians do not convert anyone. That is the work of the Holy Spirit.

MrPraline

Reread my post. I made a post referencing Dr. Simon Greenleaf, a law professor known as the father of the "rules of evidence", who decided to investigate the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Based on his research into the historical event, the resurrection of Christ, he gave his life to Christ and wrote a book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice." detailing his research and why he chose to accept Christ.

That is the claim I made. The facts are, he did the research, he gave his life to Christ, and he wrote a book detaining the evidence and why. If you doubt those claims, then the burden is on you to show those three things did not happen, i.e that he did not do the research, or did not give his life to Christ, or did not write the book.

If you want to read about the evidence he based his decision on, then I suggest you get a copy of his book.

Jesus Christ, one Man, one Person, has changed people, lives, and the world in general unlike any other. Christianity treats women with respect. Christianity calls for holy living. Christianity says that salvation is by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ as repentance. Christianity is unique. Christianity is, many times, singled out for ridicule more than any other religion. The Bible has advanced scientific information; or, it did for the time it was written. The Bible has never been shown to be in error. The Bible and its principles cover every area of life, basically; if you're not sure about something morally, you can go to it and find the answer. Christ has taken people we call very wicked and changed them. I could undoubtedly put much more. Just think about Christ, Jesus Christ - the impact He's had and is continuing to have on this world. Think about how, unlike other religions, rather than lowering women, it exalts them. Think of how it says works cannot save you, only faith in Jesus Christ and repentance has. Think of its uniqueness! I pointed out all these things above, but I wanted to re-emphasize them. Think of these I have re-emphasized, and all of the other things above. Think of it. Now, answer this question. Is It Just A Coincidence...just a coincidence of how perfect, how awesome, how amazing, how unique Christ and Christianity is? Voice your thoughts in the poll. Please Note: This topic's purpose is evangelism. Please keep the discussion around Christian/faith/religious-based subjects; creation vs. evolution, the infallibility of the Bible, God, et cetera; and, of course, the poll question. Also, please refrain from spamming and off-topic postings. Thank you. God bless, Crushmaster.Crushmaster

I can't understand why people insist on making it black and white on that subject...God couldn't have started the process of evolution??

Ugh, so many Bible verses...my scroll wheel finger is getting tired.AirGuitarist87

"For their scroll wheel will grow tired of their lies and then the end will come for them and bla bla bla!!!!!one!1!11!"

See? Its clear!

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]Ugh, so many Bible verses...my scroll wheel finger is getting tired.Teenaged

"For their scroll wheel will grow tired of their lies and then the end will come for them and bla bla bla!!!!!one!1!11!"

See? Its clear!

Ugh, so many Bible verses...my scroll wheel finger is getting tired.AirGuitarist87

Honestly if everyone just followed the Ten Commandments the world would be a better place.mohfrontline

Honestly if everyone just followed the Ten Commandments the world would be a better place. Don't kill, don't steal, don't commit adultery. How hard is that guys, you don't even have to believe in God to follow those ten rules. But oh no, people think they are smarter than God Himself, so they make their own...mohfrontline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]Well, if you are interested in learning more about the evidence that convinced Dr. Greenleaf that the resurrection of Jesus Christ was true historical event, resulting in him becoming a Christian, you can always read his book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice."

By the way, Christians do not convert anyone. That is the work of the Holy Spirit.

blackregiment

Reread my post. I made a post referencing Dr. Simon Greenleaf, a law professor known as the father of the "rules of evidence", who decided to investigate the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Based on his research into the historical event, the resurrection of Christ, he gave his life to Christ and wrote a book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice." detailing his research and why he chose to accept Christ.

That is the claim I made. The facts are, he did the research, he gave his life to Christ, and he wrote a book detaining the evidence and why. If you doubt those claims, then the burden is on you to show those three things did not happen, i.e that he did not do the research, or did not give his life to Christ, or did not write the book.

If you want to read about the evidence he based his decision on, then I suggest you get a copy of his book.

Appeal to authority as opposed to providing evidence...

I approve!

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I take it you're not going to defend your claim and explain some of the evidence. Fine.

chessmaster1989

Reread my post. I made a post referencing Dr. Simon Greenleaf, a law professor known as the father of the "rules of evidence", who decided to investigate the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Based on his research into the historical event, the resurrection of Christ, he gave his life to Christ and wrote a book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice." detailing his research and why he chose to accept Christ.

That is the claim I made. The facts are, he did the research, he gave his life to Christ, and he wrote a book detaining the evidence and why. If you doubt those claims, then the burden is on you to show those three things did not happen, i.e that he did not do the research, or did not give his life to Christ, or did not write the book.

If you want to read about the evidence he based his decision on, then I suggest you get a copy of his book.

Appeal to authority as opposed to providing evidence...

I approve!

Also approve. Dr Greenleaf ftw.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I take it you're not going to defend your claim and explain some of the evidence. Fine.

chessmaster1989

Reread my post. I made a post referencing Dr. Simon Greenleaf, a law professor known as the father of the "rules of evidence", who decided to investigate the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Based on his research into the historical event, the resurrection of Christ, he gave his life to Christ and wrote a book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice." detailing his research and why he chose to accept Christ.

That is the claim I made. The facts are, he did the research, he gave his life to Christ, and he wrote a book detaining the evidence and why. If you doubt those claims, then the burden is on you to show those three things did not happen, i.e that he did not do the research, or did not give his life to Christ, or did not write the book.

If you want to read about the evidence he based his decision on, then I suggest you get a copy of his book.

Appeal to authority as opposed to providing evidence...

I approve!

So sorry but I didn't "appeal to authority". I simply posted some information about a former atheist, Dr. Simon Greenleaf, that did some research on the resurrection, and based on his research came to Christ, then detailed his reasons in a book.

Now if we want to see a real example of an appeal to authority, here's one. :)

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Reread my post. I made a post referencing Dr. Simon Greenleaf, a law professor known as the father of the "rules of evidence", who decided to investigate the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Based on his research into the historical event, the resurrection of Christ, he gave his life to Christ and wrote a book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice." detailing his research and why he chose to accept Christ.

That is the claim I made. The facts are, he did the research, he gave his life to Christ, and he wrote a book detaining the evidence and why. If you doubt those claims, then the burden is on you to show those three things did not happen, i.e that he did not do the research, or did not give his life to Christ, or did not write the book.

If you want to read about the evidence he based his decision on, then I suggest you get a copy of his book.

blackregiment

Appeal to authority as opposed to providing evidence...

I approve!

So sorry but I didn't "appeal to authority". I simply posted some information about a former atheist, Dr. Simon Greenleaf, that did some research on the resurrection, and based on his research came to Christ, then detailed his reasons in a book.

Now if we want to see a real example of an appeal to authority, here's one. :)

Thats not appeal to authority...

Now if we want to see a real example of an appeal to authority, here's one. :)

blackregiment

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Appeal to authority as opposed to providing evidence...

I approve!

Teenaged

So sorry but I didn't "appeal to authority". I simply posted some information about a former atheist, Dr. Simon Greenleaf, that did some research on the resurrection, and based on his research came to Christ, then detailed his reasons in a book.

Now if we want to see a real example of an appeal to authority, here's one. :)

Thats not appeal to authority...

It is when one bases their beliefs, for example a disbelief in our supernatural Creator, on that circular argument.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Reread my post. I made a post referencing Dr. Simon Greenleaf, a law professor known as the father of the "rules of evidence", who decided to investigate the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Based on his research into the historical event, the resurrection of Christ, he gave his life to Christ and wrote a book, "An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice." detailing his research and why he chose to accept Christ.

That is the claim I made. The facts are, he did the research, he gave his life to Christ, and he wrote a book detaining the evidence and why. If you doubt those claims, then the burden is on you to show those three things did not happen, i.e that he did not do the research, or did not give his life to Christ, or did not write the book.

If you want to read about the evidence he based his decision on, then I suggest you get a copy of his book.

blackregiment

Appeal to authority as opposed to providing evidence...

I approve!

So sorry but I didn't "appeal to authority". I simply posted some information about a former atheist, Dr. Simon Greenleaf, that did some research on the resurrection, and based on his research came to Christ, then detailed his reasons in a book.

Now if we want to see a real example of an appeal to authority, here's one. :)

I think he was on your side man....friendly fire....

Also, technically, not appeal to authority. Appealing to authority = "Yo, this foo' knows lots about this topic, so I'm going to defer to his wise self, in order to boost up my argument's powah levelz"

This is only a fallacy where the stated authority is in fact some random hobo who knows nothing about the topic.

You cited the logical badman that is Dr Greenleaf, who while not a respected theologian, is a highly regarded legal thinker, and a foremost expert on evidential processes. Therefore, he knows his stuff about things being proven. He felt there was enough evidence to support Christianity, ergo so should we all.

This argument was a good one, as well as being slightly unorthodox. I salute thee sir.

P.S, apologies for my ridiculous language....I'm not sure what came over me. I'm not actually mentally sub-normal....i think,

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

So sorry but I didn't "appeal to authority". I simply posted some information about a former atheist, Dr. Simon Greenleaf, that did some research on the resurrection, and based on his research came to Christ, then detailed his reasons in a book.

Now if we want to see a real example of an appeal to authority, here's one. :)

blackregiment

Thats not appeal to authority...

It is when one bases their beliefs, for example a disbelief in our supernatural Creator, on that circular argument.

I like how BR omitted the fact that Dr. Greenleaf died in 1853. Surely 150 years is enough time for such "overwhelming" evidence to convert everybody to Christianity?MrPraline

Stop nitpicking! :x

:P

It is when one bases their beliefs, for example a disbelief in our supernatural Creator, on that circular argument.

blackregiment

I think he was on your side man....friendly fire....

shaunk89

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]It is when one bases their beliefs, for example a disbelief in our supernatural Creator, on that circular argument.

MrPraline

While I feel the statement you quoted is self-explanatory, I will try to clarify it. If someone bases their disbelief in the existence of the supernatural, for example a supernatural Creator that exists outside of the natural world, because the science academy proclaims that all that exists is the natural world, then they are basing their disbelief in a supernatural Creator God, on the authority of that proclaimation by the science academy.

The relevance of that image was to make that point.