Is It Just A Coincidence?

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Yeah, I know. Still, I'd like him to explain why Catholics are not Christians.Crushmaster

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Yeah, I know. Still, I'd like him to explain why Catholics are not Christians.Crushmaster

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] :lol: Well it would be nice if you understood what we believed before...you know judging us. Hint: Not even close. Crushmaster

Oh my...

I love Jesus with all my heart, and though your hearts are in the right place, this is not the proper way to persuade non-believers.

At all.

I learned a long time ago.

:|

The Orthodox also believe that works are important. Teenaged

Oh my...

I love Jesus with all my heart, and though your hearts are in the right place, this is not the proper way to persuade non-believers.

At all.

I learned a long time ago.

:|

battlefront23

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Yeah, I know. Still, I'd like him to explain why Catholics are not Christians.Crushmaster

I think that's probably just your denomination's definiton of Christianity... or maybe just yours.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

How can God have decided whether or not a person is bound for Hell if they have not died yet?

chessmaster1989

God is omniscient. He knows all, the beginning and the end, He knows who will accept His plan of salvation in Christ and who will reject it, thus He knows the eternal destiny of each and every one of us.

Wouldn't that imply predetermination? ;)

Not in all cases because the fact that an all knowing God, knows who will accept salvation in Christ or reject it, does not mean that he predestined our choice. We have a free will to choose as we desire. He just knows in advance how we will respond to His plan of salvation.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]

[ What makes you say it's "obvious"?

LJS9502_basic

well, this may sound stupid (i dont know much about this part of religions because i dont really care, no offence) but i thought that the catholics were the most likely to be so defiant and stubborn...i know we havent always seen eye to eye on religious threads, but im sort of on your side for this part of the argument :P

Oh my...

I love Jesus with all my heart, and though your hearts are in the right place, this is not the proper way to persuade non-believers.

At all.

I learned a long time ago.

:|

battlefront23

[QUOTE="Teenaged"] The Orthodox also believe that works are important. Crushmaster

So the expected question is: why such an obsession with Catholics?

Sacraments bring one closer to God. You are saved by accepting the word of God, following Jesus, and treating fellow humans with respect. We don't judge....we try to help. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Yeah, I know. Still, I'd like him to explain why Catholics are not Christians.Crushmaster

I was wondering how you explain James 2 which explains faith without works is dead?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]

[ What makes you say it's "obvious"?

Dr_Manfattan

well, this may sound stupid (i dont know much about this part of religions because i dont really care, no offence) but i thought that the catholics were the most likely to be so defiant and stubborn...i know we havent always seen eye to eye on religious threads, but im sort of on your side for this part of the argument :P

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

God is omniscient. He knows all, the beginning and the end, He knows who will accept His plan of salvation in Christ and who will reject it, thus He knows the eternal destiny of each and every one of us.

blackregiment

Wouldn't that imply predetermination? ;)

Not in all cases because the fact that an all knowing God, knows who will accept salvation in Christ or reject it, does not mean that he predestined our choice. We have a free will to choose as we desire. He just knows in advance how we will respond to His plan of salvation.

And you don't see the contradiction here? :?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Sacraments bring one closer to God. You are saved by accepting the word of God, following Jesus, and treating fellow humans with respect. We don't judge....we try to help. Crushmaster

Edit: I was correct about what the sacraments are. They bring us closer to God...they are not all one need do to be saved. Again..not understanding the Catholic faith.

You missed the point. You focus on Catholics because you say the trust in works (in this life) and I told you that Catholics are not the only ones.

So the expected question is: why such an obsession with Catholics? Teenaged

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Meh they'll just say you're not a real Christian...

Teenaged

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Oh my...

I love Jesus with all my heart, and though your hearts are in the right place, this is not the proper way to persuade non-believers.

At all.

I learned a long time ago.

:|

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Oh my...

I love Jesus with all my heart, and though your hearts are in the right place, this is not the proper way to persuade non-believers.

At all.

I learned a long time ago.

:|

LJS9502_basic

I think that's probably just your denomination's definiton of Christianity... or maybe just yours. jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Oh my...

I love Jesus with all my heart, and though your hearts are in the right place, this is not the proper way to persuade non-believers.

At all.

I learned a long time ago.

:|

LJS9502_basic

I was wondering how you explain James 2 which explains faith without works is dead?stepnkev

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I think that's probably just your denomination's definiton of Christianity... or maybe just yours. Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Teenaged"] You missed the point. You focus on Catholics because you say the trust in works (in this life) and I told you that Catholics are not the only ones.

So the expected question is: why such an obsession with Catholics? Crushmaster

Catholics and Orthodox disagree in many things and yet in this one they agree. That deeds do matter.

So once again: why the obsession with Catholics?

I expect an answer.

That is between me and God isn't it?

Edit: I was correct about what the sacraments are. They bring us closer to God...they are not all one need do to be saved. Again..not understanding the Catholic faith. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="stepnkev"] I was wondering how you explain James 2 which explains faith without works is dead?Crushmaster

Not at all. You must know nothing about the Separation of the Easter Orthodox Church and the Western Catholic Church at the times of the Roman Empire.

Catholics and Orthodox disagree in many things and yet in this one they agree. That deeds do matter.

So once again: why the obsession with Catholics?

I expect an answer. Teenaged

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I think that's probably just your denomination's definiton of Christianity... or maybe just yours. Crushmaster

As much as you'd like to believe otherwise, you're not the final authority on religious interpretation. The word "Christianity" doesn't belong exclusively to you or your sect.

[QUOTE="stepnkev"] I was wondering how you explain James 2 which explains faith without works is dead?Crushmaster

So then (if I understand you correctly), there is no such thing as having faith without works. Although you can have works without faith. Is that correct?

That is double talk.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That is between me and God isn't it?

Edit: I was correct about what the sacraments are. They bring us closer to God...they are not all one need do to be saved. Again..not understanding the Catholic faith. Crushmaster

You use of works is rather broad. Be specific....

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="stepnkev"] I was wondering how you explain James 2 which explains faith without works is dead?LJS9502_basic

Paul didn't think so.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"] Not at all. You must know nothing about the Separation of the Easter Orthodox Church and the Western Catholic Church at the times of the Roman Empire.

Catholics and Orthodox disagree in many things and yet in this one they agree. That deeds do matter.

So once again: why the obsession with Catholics?

I expect an answer. Crushmaster

I doubt that's even true considering how almost the entire Russian population is Orthodox.

Catholics even in the case of being more in numbers still are not so much more I believe.

On the other hand that should not matter and does not explain your obsessions with Catholics.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Umm...that's not proof.....blackregiment

That does not logically or necessarily follow. For example, if I claim my car is red, and it actually is, the fact that I choose not to show it to you or give you a photo of it to "proove it" does not mean that I am lying.

So then (if I understand you correctly), there is no such thing as having faith without works. Although you can have works without faith. Is that correct? stepnkev

[QUOTE="Dr_Manfattan"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'm Catholic. He doesn't like Catholics.

LJS9502_basic

well, this may sound stupid (i dont know much about this part of religions because i dont really care, no offence) but i thought that the catholics were the most likely to be so defiant and stubborn...i know we havent always seen eye to eye on religious threads, but im sort of on your side for this part of the argument :P

just saying that he wont even accept the fact that his beliefs are only opinion, he keeps referring to facts without actually showing any.

ive cooled down in my life now and i dont get angered by people just being christian anymore, just people who seem to think that their beliefs are facts and nothing else.

and i always thought that it was more likely to be catholics who were more likely to this stubborn

Why are we arguing about Catholicism? (sp probably)

On the other hand that should not matter and does not explain your obsessions with Catholics.

Teenaged

It's a personal question and quite frankly none of your business. LJS9502_basic

You use of works is rather broad. Be specific....LJ

Why do Christians get so offended when you talk about "their" deity? The Jews almost never take offense to what I say about the Old Testament, and in fact I get some points from them.

The Christians didn't start the book, so how can they get offended when the people representing the original book tell them they're misunderstanding?

I've got to get off now, but I hope to be back tomorrow. BR, J-man, Schultz - thanks for your help.

Good night,
God bless,
Crushmaster.

I've got to get off now, but I hope to be back tomorrow. BR, J-man, Schultz - thanks for your help.

Good night,
God bless,
Crushmaster.

Crushmaster

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's a personal question and quite frankly none of your business. Crushmaster

You use of works is rather broad. Be specific....LJ

Oh I almost forgot. I never left a smiley with my last post. I know how much FamiBox loves 'em. :)

ok - Carry on.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="stepnkev"] I was wondering how you explain James 2 which explains faith without works is dead?stepnkev

So then (if I understand you correctly), there is no such thing as having faith without works. Although you can have works without faith. Is that correct?

Saving faith comes first. Once one has saving faith by repenting and placing their total faith and trust in Christ alone, they are reborn, a new creature in Christ. Evidence of this saving faith and rebirth in Christ will be shown by their fruits, for example, their good works in service to the Lord.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

I've got to get off now, but I hope to be back tomorrow. BR, J-man, Schultz - thanks for your help.

Good night,
God bless,
Crushmaster.

MrPraline

That doesn't seem to happen too often, now does it?

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

I've got to get off now, but I hope to be back tomorrow. BR, J-man, Schultz - thanks for your help.

Good night,
God bless,
Crushmaster.

chessmaster1989

That doesn't seem to happen too often, now does it?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Just when you were losing. How convenient.

battlefront23

That doesn't seem to happen too often, now does it?