Is it really "wrong" for grown men to be attracted to 13-14 year old g

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#1 UT_Wrestler
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I'm sure some of you are going to post just from reading the topic and not read this, just watch. Anyhow, I understand why any type of intimacy is illegal with the age difference, a person that young is not yet capable of making responsible decisions, and so yes, I do believe it would be wrong for a grown man to act on such impulse. But, why is it considered "wrong" or "unnatural"just to have the attraction? Males are instinctively programmed to be attracted to fertile females, and girls reach fertility age at around 13, some even a little younger. So illegal or not, does a man really need therapy just for having the attraction?

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#2 T_REX305
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To have therapy no not really.

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Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. Therefore, we either need to therapize the attraction out of him or kill him. Since the latter is highly unethical, option A we go!
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#4 warownslife
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No but everything has a name and that called pedophillia. Its not socially accepted but its not wrong. Just the attraction.

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#6 mrmusicman247
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First lets determine what wrong is..
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#7 67gt500
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Men should be attracted to women... not girls...
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#8 dann14v
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Yes. Go seek help. It is not natural and trying to convince yourself otherwise only deepens the problem.

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#9 rawsavon
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Sexual thoughts tend to escalate over time ...thoughts...to fantasies...to watching (internet)...to watching (IRL)...etc. So YES, imo it is wrong
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First lets determine what wrong is..mrmusicman247
The opposite of right. So left.
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You can't help what you are attracted to, but you can help how you act.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Sexual thoughts tend to escalate over time ...thoughts...to fantasies...to watching (internet)...to watching (IRL)...etc. So YES, imo it is wrong

Indeed, it's a slippery, supple, nubile slope
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You cant eat the cookie raw. You have to put it in the stove for about 20 years Then its ok.
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You cant eat the cookie raw. You have to put it in the stove for about 20 years Then its ok.
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#16 warownslife
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You can't help what you are attracted to, but you can help how you act.

sonicare

This. Personally i think therapy is a bunch of BS but if someone has strong attractions then it would be good to start going.

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#18 munu9
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There aren't many arguments that can call 13-14 year old attraction by older people wrong w/o also infering that homosexuality is wrong. Though one argument is that homosexuals actually have meaningful relationships, it's not always about physical attraction or sex. Whenever a pedophile is attracted to a 13-14 year old, etc. It's mostly just physical... No grown man can relate to a 13 old girl in a meaningful loving way...

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Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. Therefore, we either need to therapize the attraction out of him or kill him. Since the latter is highly unethical, option A we go!Theokhoth
Then I guess the majority of the human race will need that therapy, since we are all naturally programmed to be attracted to fertile females. You act like every grown man is a potential sex offender.
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]First lets determine what wrong is..Theokhoth
The opposite of right. So left.

Ah yes. But 3 lefts make a right.
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#21 MasterBolt360
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No but everything has a name and that called pedophillia. Its not socially accepted but its not wrong. Just the attraction.

warownslife
I agree.
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#22 Shade340
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You can't help what you are attracted to, but you can help how you act.

sonicare

Well said attraction is alright but when you act by watching porn or any further that is wrong

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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]First lets determine what wrong is..Theokhoth
The opposite of right. So left.

That means that men who are attracted to 13 year olds are officially socialists. :P

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. Therefore, we either need to therapize the attraction out of him or kill him. Since the latter is highly unethical, option A we go!UT_Wrestler
Then I guess the majority of the human race will need that therapy, since we are all naturally programmed to be attracted to fertile females. You act like every grown man is a potential sex offender.

Creepy argument is creepy
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#25 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

You can't help what you are attracted to, but you can help how you act.

warownslife

This. Personally i think therapy is a bunch of BS but if someone has strong attractions then it would be good to start going.

Therapy has proven to be ineffective in altering one's attraction -otherwise a whole lot of gay people would made been 'cured' over the years Both traditional therapy and chemical castration are both highly ineffective
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#26 UT_Wrestler
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Womens bodies arent finished puberty till their around 20. The finished products is what men are programed to be attracted to. So ya its wrong. EdenProxy
Not true, they are capable of reproducing at 13, i.e., fertile, what males are programmed by nature to be attracted to.
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[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]Womens bodies arent finished puberty till their around 20. The finished products is what men are programed to be attracted to. So ya its wrong. UT_Wrestler
Not true, they are capable of reproducing at 13, i.e., fertile, what males are programmed by nature to be attracted to.

I think going by what is right by nature is not preferable because it implies homosexuality is wrong....
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. Therefore, we either need to therapize the attraction out of him or kill him. Since the latter is highly unethical, option A we go!UT_Wrestler
Then I guess the majority of the human race will need that therapy, since we are all naturally programmed to be attracted to fertile females. You act like every grown man is a potential sex offender.

Your argument would be valid if every grown man was attracted to little girls. Since they aren't, that is not a valid argument.
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#29 warownslife
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[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

You can't help what you are attracted to, but you can help how you act.

rawsavon

This. Personally i think therapy is a bunch of BS but if someone has strong attractions then it would be good to start going.

Therapy has proven to be ineffective in altering one's attraction -otherwise a whole lot of gay people would made been 'cured' over the years Both traditional therapy and chemical castration are both highly ineffective

Which is why i said at the beginning i personally believ its a bunch of BS. I don't have any evidense that it helps or doesn't help.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. Therefore, we either need to therapize the attraction out of him or kill him. Since the latter is highly unethical, option A we go!UT_Wrestler
Then I guess the majority of the human race will need that therapy, since we are all naturally programmed to be attracted to fertile females. You act like every grown man is a potential sex offender.

Most straight men are programmed to look for breast size, hips, etc (things associated with bearing children) ...things not usually found on a 13 year old child
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#31 UT_Wrestler
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I think the word pedophile is misused in our language, as most people associate it with "sex offender". The word word "phile" means "lover of", and "pedo" means "child", so the word pedophile simply means "lover of children".
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[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]Womens bodies arent finished puberty till their around 20. The finished products is what men are programed to be attracted to. So ya its wrong. UT_Wrestler
Not true, they are capable of reproducing at 13, i.e., fertile, what males are programmed by nature to be attracted to.

When I'm imagining myself having sex with a guy, fertility isn't exactly what's on my mind. Therefore, I'm a supernatural spirit.
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#33 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="warownslife"]This. Personally i think therapy is a bunch of BS but if someone has strong attractions then it would be good to start going.

warownslife

Therapy has proven to be ineffective in altering one's attraction -otherwise a whole lot of gay people would made been 'cured' over the years Both traditional therapy and chemical castration are both highly ineffective

Which is why i said at the beginning i personally believ its a bunch of BS. I don't have any evidense that it helps or doesn't help.

Don't know what to tell you then. I don't do research for people anymore (unless I make the thread)
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]First lets determine what wrong is..Theokhoth
The opposite of right. So left.

You heard it here, folks! Democrats are wrong!
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="EdenProxy"]Womens bodies arent finished puberty till their around 20. The finished products is what men are programed to be attracted to. So ya its wrong. munu9
Not true, they are capable of reproducing at 13, i.e., fertile, what males are programmed by nature to be attracted to.

I think going by what is right by nature is not preferable because it implies homosexuality is wrong....

Also not true, as there are animals in nature far less intelligent than humans who prefer animals of the same sex.
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Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. Theokhoth
You serious?
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="EdenProxy"]Womens bodies arent finished puberty till their around 20. The finished products is what men are programed to be attracted to. So ya its wrong. Theokhoth
Not true, they are capable of reproducing at 13, i.e., fertile, what males are programmed by nature to be attracted to.

When I'm imagining myself having sex with a guy, fertility isn't exactly what's on my mind. Therefore, I'm a supernatural spirit.

Homosexuality is a completely separate argument from my point.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. sboyer2
You serious?

Yeah. How many celibate people do you know?
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. sboyer2
You serious?

Research shows he is correct (escalation of thoughts towards action...happens with ALL thoughts/behaviors)
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. Therefore, we either need to therapize the attraction out of him or kill him. Since the latter is highly unethical, option A we go!rawsavon
Then I guess the majority of the human race will need that therapy, since we are all naturally programmed to be attracted to fertile females. You act like every grown man is a potential sex offender.

Most straight men are programmed to look for breast size, hips, etc (things associated with bearing children) ...things not usually found on a 13 year old child

They are there, just not fully developed. All I'm saying is that 13 is the beginning of fertility age and the physical signs of fertility are already there.
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[QUOTE="sboyer2"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. Theokhoth
You serious?

Yeah. How many celibate people do you know?

Sorry. I'm a bit stupid in some areas. What is celibate?

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[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] Not true, they are capable of reproducing at 13, i.e., fertile, what males are programmed by nature to be attracted to.UT_Wrestler
I think going by what is right by nature is not preferable because it implies homosexuality is wrong....

Also not true, as there are animals in nature far less intelligent than humans who prefer animals of the same sex.

There are also animals who eat their own species. So if nature is a valid reason for 20+ year old men to like 13 year olds, then cannibalism can be justified too, right?
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] Not true, they are capable of reproducing at 13, i.e., fertile, what males are programmed by nature to be attracted to.UT_Wrestler
When I'm imagining myself having sex with a guy, fertility isn't exactly what's on my mind. Therefore, I'm a supernatural spirit.

Homosexuality is a completely separate argument from my point.

Not really. If what do is natural, and if what is natural is the morally right thing to do, and if we are naturally attracted to fertility, then pedophilia is morally right and homosexuality is morally wrong. As well as abstinence, monogamous relationships, DIY sex, and sterilization.
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="munu9"] I think going by what is right by nature is not preferable because it implies homosexuality is wrong....dk00111
Also not true, as there are animals in nature far less intelligent than humans who prefer animals of the same sex.

There are also animals who eat their own species. So if nature is a valid reason for 20+ year old men to like 13 year olds, then cannibalism can be justified too, right?

We are talking about attraction to genders and different age groups, not eating behaviors.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sboyer2"] You serious?warownslife

Yeah. How many celibate people do you know?

Sorry. I'm a bit stupid in some areas. What is celibate?

No sex. Period.
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I couldn't imagine being attracted to a 13 year old. :?
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] Then I guess the majority of the human race will need that therapy, since we are all naturally programmed to be attracted to fertile females. You act like every grown man is a potential sex offender.UT_Wrestler
Most straight men are programmed to look for breast size, hips, etc (things associated with bearing children) ...things not usually found on a 13 year old child

They are there, just not fully developed. All I'm saying is that 13 is the beginning of fertility age and the physical signs of fertility are already there.

:? Different 13 year olds where you live then OR Different standards of what makes a woman/what constitutes ready for child birth
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[QUOTE="sboyer2"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Yes, because if he has the attraction then he's likely to act on it. Theokhoth
You serious?

Yeah. How many celibate people do you know?

If every man acted on every sexual impulse he had toward any woman he finds attractive, then it wouldn't be safe for any female to leave her house. Seriously, I bet every single one of you has many sexual thoughts every time you go out and see an attractive female; it doesn't mean you force her to a secluded area and have your way with her.
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[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yeah. How many celibate people do you know?Theokhoth

Sorry. I'm a bit stupid in some areas. What is celibate?

No sex. Period.

Damn. I couldn't accept that ideal.

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it's good to scout em young so you have the upper hand over others when they finally hit the age where it is ok ;)