Is it really "wrong" for grown men to be attracted to 13-14 year old g

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="warownslife"]I disagree. If your repeatly told something is wrong and believe it I don't think you would act on it.

warownslife

▲ The attraction isin't wrong, just don't act on it. ▲

Attraction cannot be helped - acting upon it can. I think there's a misperception that people who are attracted to something will ultimately act upon it, which is incorrect. Our morals police our instincts whatever they may be and people are aware of consequences.

poptart

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I can't see what a mature man would find compatible about a middle school child......and attraction is not only physical.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="warownslife"]I disagree. If your repeatly told something is wrong and believe it I don't think you would act on it.

LJS9502_basic

I can only assume there to be numerous sad individuals who go through life carrying the burgden of being attracted to kids, living a life of celibacy for fear acting upon their impulses. There's a strange presumption that people will always follow through with there desires irrespective of consequence. Do sick individuals who watch animal porn ultimately turn into pet-fondling perverts? Or how many people go through life as closet homosexuals never acting upon their innate desires?

No, he doesn't need therapy. If he is simply attracted and not acting on it, there is no harm being done and if it does not negatively impact his life you are simply wasting the precious time of him and the therapist.

I also think "Well if he's attracted then he will act on it!" is a very slippery slope of a statement.

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Then why are our prisons so overcrowded....rawsavon

[QUOTE="poptart"]

Attraction cannot be helped - acting upon it can. I think there's a misperception that people who are attracted to something will ultimately act upon it, which is incorrect. Our morals police our instincts whatever they may be and people are aware of consequences.

Ken_Masterz

Well of course there will be the amoral contingent of society who will rob, steal murder, etc without thought of consequence. That doesn't mean everyone though.

No it's not, and it's not a disease or disorder, nor does it require therapy. It's just illegal.

No, he doesn't need therapy. If he is simply attracted and not acting on it, there is no harm being done and if it does not negatively impact his life you are simply wasting the precious time of him and the therapist.

I also think "Well if he's attracted then he will act on it!" is a very slippery slope of a statement.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="warownslife"]I'm not saying that all people have control but most do or get help to control themselves.

warownslife

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Really? We could go down the list -overeating -criminal activities -not maintaining a healthy life$tyle -drugs and alcohol -too much TV/video games etc. most people LACK self controlrawsavon

No not therapy i suppose but I still find that pretty creepy.

No, I don't think it's wrong. There's a reason why 13-14 year-old girls were getting married and pregnant in other societies throughout history. It's because they're physically ready at that age in most cases. It's 100% natural for any male to be sexually attracted to an attractive female, particularly when they're young and fertile.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Unless you hold them to a higher standard than the rest of the population, it is safe to assume that most will. -just as most others pursue sexual gratification in liferawsavon

I don't know, I've never known anyone with self-control issues.

Well I don't just assume most people are gonna go on a shooting spree simply because they could do it if they wanted to. So why would I assume every man that is attracted to under aged girls is actually having sex with them? Not everyone is out of control.

They are responsible for their actions and if they can't control their selves... uhh welock them in cages. Or execute them.

Sometimes when a person makes me angryI feel like caving hishead in, but I don't because I exercise self-control. I am the only one that can prevent it.

I think i need more self control.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="warownslife"]Your not wrong but...:( I don't have an argument. Wait. Yes i do. I have urges but I control them. Why do i have more self control than others.

warownslife

Being attracted to a teenage girl is not wrong...if you're in your early 20's or so but after that yes it is pretty sick...once you have your own children you will (especially a daughter) not see women in the same kind of "flowers for the pickings" type of way again.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

No, he doesn't need therapy. If he is simply attracted and not acting on it, there is no harm being done and if it does not negatively impact his life you are simply wasting the precious time of him and the therapist.

I also think "Well if he's attracted then he will act on it!" is a very slippery slope of a statement.

Ken_Masterz

Around the point he starts having uncontrollable urges or thoughts in his head begin to hamper his daily routine and life.

I for one don't agree with thought policing.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="warownslife"]Your not wrong but...:( I don't have an argument. Wait. Yes i do. I have urges but I control them. Why do i have more self control than others.

warownslife

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Are you 100% in control all the time (do you do what you SHOULD do versus what you WANT to do ALL the time)? If your sexual attraction was deemed wrong by society (acting on it or looking at in on the internet), could you go without your entire life...99% of the population could notrawsavon

None of which are acceptable, in my mind.

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Really? We could go down the list -overeating -criminal activities -not maintaining a healthy life$tyle -drugs and alcohol -too much TV/video games etc. most people LACK self controlrawsavon

I would have thought that stat is incorrect if we're looking at those with pedophilic tendencies, simply because we'll never know. Sexual impulse is one thing within the confines of acceptable sexual behaviour, but not one with the potential for such catastrophic consequences. Who knows how people sit in fear and in shame of their desires...

Around the point he starts having uncontrollable urges or thoughts in his head begin to hamper his daily routine and life.

I for one don't agree with thought policing.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

I don't know, I've never known anyone with self-control issues.

MagnumPI

Well I don't just assume most people are gonna go on a shooting spree simply because they could do it if they wanted to. So why would I assume every man that is attracted to under aged girls is actually having sex with them? Not everyone is out of control.

They are responsible for their actions and if they can't control their selves... uhh welock them in cages. Or execute them.

Sometimes when a person makes me angryI feel like caving hishead in, but I don't because I exercise self-control. I am the only one that can prevent it.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="warownslife"]Damn it. I can't think of a good argument but i don't want to believe that this type of act happens every day.

Pixel-Pirate

None of which are acceptable, in my mind.

I don't think it's wrong to have an attraction but anything beyond that could be bad.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="warownslife"]Your not wrong but...:( I don't have an argument. Wait. Yes i do. I have urges but I control them. Why do i have more self control than others.

poptart

I would have thought that stat is incorrect if we're looking at those with pedophilic tendencies, simply because we'll never know. Sexual impulse is one thing within the confines of acceptable sexual behaviour, but not one with the potential for such catastrophic consequences. Who knows how people sit in fear and in shame of their desires...

You guys are lying to yourselves if you're going to tell me that you've never been physically attracted to a 13-14 year-old girl, with yourself being much older. Sorry to break it to you guys, but unless you're gay we all have. There are some little hotties that give men bad thoughts. A couple thousand years ago we could've taken them as our wives at that age.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] It does. In all honesty, people are built to act upon their urges (hunger, sleep, want, desires...sex) We are just USUALLY able to find a socially acceptable means to do so (or able to hide it...pr0n for example) Therapy has proven ineffective (even those chemically castrated still have urges...will fondle and touch) It is not reasonable to expect more self control from them than we exhibit ...leaves only a few limited options in my mindrawsavon

None of which are acceptable, in my mind.

It's far too slippery of a slope for my tastes.

The second you started letting governments execute or imprison people based on thoughts, not actions, is the second you head to 1984'sville. I don't care what the situation is, that is a slippery slope I will never support going down.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] It does. In all honesty, people are built to act upon their urges (hunger, sleep, want, desires...sex) We are just USUALLY able to find a socially acceptable means to do so (or able to hide it...pr0n for example) Therapy has proven ineffective (even those chemically castrated still have urges...will fondle and touch) It is not reasonable to expect more self control from them than we exhibit ...leaves only a few limited options in my mindrawsavon

None of which are acceptable, in my mind.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Really, I find that hard to believe. You have never known anyone that did anything against the law, wrong, that they regretted, etc.rawsavon

Well I don't just assume most people are gonna go on a shooting spree simply because they could do it if they wanted to. So why would I assume every man that is attracted to under aged girls is actually having sex with them? Not everyone is out of control.

They are responsible for their actions and if they can't control their selves... uhh welock them in cages. Or execute them.

Sometimes when a person makes me angryI feel like caving hishead in, but I don't because I exercise self-control. I am the only one that can prevent it.

Those urges only last for a few years when you're a late teen into your early 20's. If you knew how often most people actually had sex it would shoot down your out of control sex hound theory.

No it's not, and it's not a disease or disorder, nor does it require therapy. It's just illegal.

black_cat19

Even if most do not act, they still look at child pr0n -this perpetuates the harmful acts against children (to obtain new material) ...so either way, children are being harmed by their impulses b/c the demand is thererawsavon

You guys are lying to yourselves if you're going to tell me that you've never been physically attracted to a 13-14 year-old girl, with yourself being much older. Sorry to break it to you guys, but unless you're gay we all have. There are some little hotties that give men bad thoughts. A couple thousand years ago we could've taken them as our wives at that age.

hartsickdiscipl

You guys are lying to yourselves if you're going to tell me that you've never been physically attracted to a 13-14 year-old girl, with yourself being much older. Sorry to break it to you guys, but unless you're gay we all have. There are some little hotties that give men bad thoughts. A couple thousand years ago we could've taken them as our wives at that age.

hartsickdiscipl

Oh man. I don't think that sentence is going to end in your favor.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

None of which are acceptable, in my mind.

Pixel-Pirate

It's far too slippery of a slope for my tastes.

The second you started letting governments execute or imprison people based on thoughts, not actions, is the second you head to 1984'sville. I don't care what the situation is, that is a slippery slope I will never support going down.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

None of which are acceptable, in my mind.

warownslife

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Alternatives? I am always open for suggestions -it is not right in my mind But I would rather they suffer than an innocent child. I would GLADLY change my stance if presented with another 'safe' optionrawsavon

It's far too slippery of a slope for my tastes.

The second you started letting governments execute or imprison people based on thoughts, not actions, is the second you head to 1984'sville. I don't care what the situation is, that is a slippery slope I will never support going down.

Can't say I agree with that either. I cannot agree with punishment toward people who have done no wrong.

I'm also vaguely reminded of mutants at this point.

No it's not wrong to be attracted. Men are naturally attracted to certain parts of the female body, if they're developed. What is wrong is if you act on those desires. They don't call 'em jail bait for no reason.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Even if most do not act, they still look at child pr0n -this perpetuates the harmful acts against children (to obtain new material) ...so either way, children are being harmed by their impulses b/c the demand is thereLJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Are you 100% in control all the time (do you do what you SHOULD do versus what you WANT to do ALL the time)? If your sexual attraction was deemed wrong by society (acting on it or looking at in on the internet), could you go without your entire life...99% of the population could notrawsavon

I would have thought that stat is incorrect if we're looking at those with pedophilic tendencies, simply because we'll never know. Sexual impulse is one thing within the confines of acceptable sexual behaviour, but not one with the potential for such catastrophic consequences. Who knows how people sit in fear and in shame of their desires...

I think the idea it perpetuates the making of child pr0n is wrong as even if it stopped tomorrow, there would still be millions of pictures available from past times. A person looking at a picture taken 10 years ago doesn't equate to a child being harmed today.

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Alternatives? I am always open for suggestions -it is not right in my mind But I would rather they suffer than an innocent child. I would GLADLY change my stance if presented with another 'safe' optionrawsavon

If it ever did become viable, it wouldn't happen even if it might help in the long run.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It's far too slippery of a slope for my tastes.

The second you started letting governments execute or imprison people based on thoughts, not actions, is the second you head to 1984'sville. I don't care what the situation is, that is a slippery slope I will never support going down.

Pixel-Pirate

Can't say I agree with that either. I cannot agree with punishment toward people who have done no wrong.

I'm also vaguely reminded of mutants at this point.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="warownslife"]I have one! no wait two alternatives. 1. virtual reality. Live out your thoughts in a virtual world and 2. robots. I was given that idea from some guy in another thread.

Pixel-Pirate

If it ever did become viable, it wouldn't happen even if it might help in the long run.

Those urges only last for a few years when you're a late teen into your early 20's. If you knew how often most people actually had sex it would shoot down your out of control sex hound theory.

MagnumPI

I think I probably have a better understanding than you think
-once you see some research (where people answer anonymously) about sexual activity, thoughts, actions, masturbation pr0n, etc...you would see ALMOST everyone acts on their desires on some form or another

I think everyone should have to take a human sexuality cla$$ in college

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] VR maybe...but doubtful There is just something different about the real thing (at least with anything I can think of) -though I have never experienced VR or a robot It is worth looking into in the future thoughwarownslife

If it ever did become viable, it wouldn't happen even if it might help in the long run.

I'm talking about VR where a pedophile could act out his fantasy.

It would become illegal due to parent watch groups very very quickly.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="poptart"]

I would have thought that stat is incorrect if we're looking at those with pedophilic tendencies, simply because we'll never know. Sexual impulse is one thing within the confines of acceptable sexual behaviour, but not one with the potential for such catastrophic consequences. Who knows how people sit in fear and in shame of their desires...

poptart

I think the idea it perpetuates the making of child pr0n is wrong as even if it stopped tomorrow, there would still be millions of pictures available from past times. A person looking at a picture taken 10 years ago doesn't equate to a child being harmed today.