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Vr already is out but its not being mass produced. I'v seen some designs for it. Its pretty advanced.[QUOTE="warownslife"]
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
If it ever did become viable, it wouldn't happen even if it might help in the long run.
Pixel-Pirate
I'm talking about VR where a pedophile could act out his fantasy.
It would become illegal due to parent watch groups very very quickly.
One word: therapy. Some therapists have permission to suggest treatment for their patients. Its already being started for alcholics.[QUOTE="dragon7x2k"] [QUOTE="rawsavon"] Are you 100% in control all the time (do you do what you SHOULD do versus what you WANT to do ALL the time)? If your sexual attraction was deemed wrong by society (acting on it or looking at in on the internet), could you go without your entire life...99% of the population could notrawsavonIf that was the case 99% of the population would be rapists. Faulty analogy b/c most of the world has a socially acceptable outlet for their sexual urges
But you could also say that someone who may be attracted to a younger girl also has perfectly acceptable outlets. If he is attracted to the girl because she has certain developed features, then he can pursue relations with someone with developed features who is of acceptable age. It's the ones that are specifically attracted to the young ones, or are attracted to them for the sake of them being young that would need to be looked after.
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
[QUOTE="warownslife"]Vr already is out but its not being mass produced. I'v seen some designs for it. Its pretty advanced.
warownslife
I'm talking about VR where a pedophile could act out his fantasy.
It would become illegal due to parent watch groups very very quickly.
One word: therapy. Some therapists have permission to suggest treatment for their patients. Its already being started for alcholics.Considering theres already precedence that this would be illegal, I don't have many doubts it would become illegal.
Faulty analogy b/c most of the world has a socially acceptable outlet for their sexual urges[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="dragon7x2k"] If that was the case 99% of the population would be rapists._BlueDuck_
But you could also say that someone who may be attracted to a younger girl also has perfectly acceptable outlets. If he is attracted to the girl because she has certain developed features, then he can pursue relations with someone with developed features who is of acceptable age. It's the ones that are specifically attracted to the young ones, or are attracted to them for the sake of them being young that would need to be looked after.
First part...not that many girls around...also hard to have a relationship based on that -but it is a possibility if the stars align (though not a viable solution for the vast majority) Second part....I agree[QUOTE="dragon7x2k"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Faulty analogy b/c most of the world has a socially acceptable outlet for their sexual urgesrawsavonEverybody has their little secrets and fantasies, if they are considered wrong people becomes more aggresive?, if everybody had to fulfill their sexual desires what would people who is attracted to being eaten do?, people who feels attracted to petrification or guro?. Having a fetish doesnt mean your life has the only purpose to fulfill it. Most people act on their sexual fantasies...I hate to break it to you I don't know how old you are (I know the min age here is 13)...so I have to keep this PG-13...but if this does not become obvious when you start having sex, all you have to do it take a Human sexuality class or read some of the research
Shouldn't we be very worried about people with rape or death fetishes?
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]a couple thousand years ago we would have killed any male in an attempt to reproduce, only to move on to the next female in heat. The world has moved on.You guys are lying to yourselves if you're going to tell me that you've never been physically attracted to a 13-14 year-old girl, with yourself being much older. Sorry to break it to you guys, but unless you're gay we all have. There are some little hotties that give men bad thoughts. A couple thousand years ago we could've taken them as our wives at that age.
Ken_Masterz
No, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
Most people act on their sexual fantasies...I hate to break it to you I don't know how old you are (I know the min age here is 13)...so I have to keep this PG-13...but if this does not become obvious when you start having sex, all you have to do it take a Human sexuality class or read some of the research[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="dragon7x2k"] Everybody has their little secrets and fantasies, if they are considered wrong people becomes more aggresive?, if everybody had to fulfill their sexual desires what would people who is attracted to being eaten do?, people who feels attracted to petrification or guro?. Having a fetish doesnt mean your life has the only purpose to fulfill it.Pixel-Pirate
Shouldn't we be very worried about people with rape or death fetishes?
Yes, very much so Also those with homicidal tendencies (in a non-sexual way)[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Most people act on their sexual fantasies...I hate to break it to you I don't know how old you are (I know the min age here is 13)...so I have to keep this PG-13...but if this does not become obvious when you start having sex, all you have to do it take a Human sexuality class or read some of the researchrawsavon
Shouldn't we be very worried about people with rape or death fetishes?
Yes, very much so Also those with homicidal tendencies (in a non-sexual way)Can't say I really agree with you.
[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Faulty analogy b/c most of the world has a socially acceptable outlet for their sexual urgesrawsavon
But you could also say that someone who may be attracted to a younger girl also has perfectly acceptable outlets. If he is attracted to the girl because she has certain developed features, then he can pursue relations with someone with developed features who is of acceptable age. It's the ones that are specifically attracted to the young ones, or are attracted to them for the sake of them being young that would need to be looked after.
First part...not that many girls around...also hard to have a relationship based on that -but it is a possibility if the stars align (though not a viable solution for the vast majority) Second part....I agreeI'm just saying, if there's a girl that happens to be young but has features of that of an older women, being attracted to that isn't necessarily a cause for concern (obviously as long as you don't act on it). One time I saw a girl at work and was all like "dayummm" but then I was promptly informed she was 16. Of course this was still perfectly legal and I'm not that much older, but I still felt pretty bad about it. But the point is, I found her attractive because she looked like she was around the age of say..19 or 20, nothing about her extra youngness was appealing.
Yes, very much so Also those with homicidal tendencies (in a non-sexual way)[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
Shouldn't we be very worried about people with rape or death fetishes?
Pixel-Pirate
Can't say I really agree with you.
I know we differ. I respect your POV and see its legitimacy I am headed down a minority report kind of road, and I knew where you taking us with that post It is not that I think it is right, it is that I see no better alternativeNo, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
Consensual sex with a 13 year old causing no harm? Classy. Your grass on the field theory is also very telling as studies have been shown that through unknown factors, girls are hitting puberty earlier and earlier but hey "if there's grass on the field lets line me up some 10 year olds" :|. Just because someone can physically have sex doesn't give them the mental capacity to understand just what it means to have sex. It's not about govt setting age limits, it's about a grown man finding a 13 year old sexually attractive. That is what's at issue here.First part...not that many girls around...also hard to have a relationship based on that -but it is a possibility if the stars align (though not a viable solution for the vast majority) Second part....I agree[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]
But you could also say that someone who may be attracted to a younger girl also has perfectly acceptable outlets. If he is attracted to the girl because she has certain developed features, then he can pursue relations with someone with developed features who is of acceptable age. It's the ones that are specifically attracted to the young ones, or are attracted to them for the sake of them being young that would need to be looked after.
_BlueDuck_
I'm just saying, if there's a girl that happens to be young but has features of that of an older women, being attracted to that isn't necessarily a cause for concern (obviously as long as you don't act on it). One time I saw a girl at work and was all like "dayummm" but then I was promptly informed she was 16. Of course this was still perfectly legal and I'm not that much older, but I still felt pretty bad about it. But the point is, I found her attractive because she looked like she was around the age of say..19 or 20, nothing about her extra youngness was appealing.
I believe that has happened to all of us older guys. -you were attracted to something you are are usually attracted toa couple thousand years ago we would have killed any male in an attempt to reproduce, only to move on to the next female in heat. The world has moved on.[QUOTE="Ken_Masterz"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
You guys are lying to yourselves if you're going to tell me that you've never been physically attracted to a 13-14 year-old girl, with yourself being much older. Sorry to break it to you guys, but unless you're gay we all have. There are some little hotties that give men bad thoughts. A couple thousand years ago we could've taken them as our wives at that age.
hartsickdiscipl
No, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
I can't completly agree with this. I don't want to ask but what exactly do you mean when you say "the grass on the feild"? Is it what i think your saying?
[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Even if most do not act, they still look at child pr0n -this perpetuates the harmful acts against children (to obtain new material) ...so either way, children are being harmed by their impulses b/c the demand is thererawsavon
I think the idea it perpetuates the making of child pr0n is wrong as even if it stopped tomorrow, there would still be millions of pictures available from past times. A person looking at a picture taken 10 years ago doesn't equate to a child being harmed today.
You do not watch very much pr0n do you? -New stuff comes out everyday (every hour) b/c people want something 'new and fresh' Do you think it would be different for that part of the industry...come on nowI'll have you know I watch lots of pr0n :P
My point does still stand. The industry rolls on maybe, but that doesn't mean everyone individual with such unfortunate tendencies thirsts for new material, just has every 'normal' individual doesn't crave the next conventional p0rn release. Besides, pictures of 14 girls taken by themselves on their camera phones doesn't equate to the kind of child p0rn you were referring to. I think there's a few too many presumptions and generalisations here...
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Yes, very much so Also those with homicidal tendencies (in a non-sexual way)rawsavon
Can't say I really agree with you.
I know we differ. I respect your POV and see its legitimacy I am headed down a minority report kind of road, and I knew where you taking us with that post It is not that I think it is right, it is that I see no better alternativeNo, in this situation I do believe there are actual outlets for people with those fetishes.
No, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
hartsickdiscipl
The primary role of the government is to protect its people
-13 year olds fall into this category
Society should strive to raise children as best they can so that they may stand on their own.
Most KIDS lack the ability to do what is best for themselves
How many KIDS would choose to get immunizations, eat right, etc?
WE must help them reach a stage to where they can make their own decisions that enable them to care for themselves
...this does not include letting a 13 year old fall victim to pedophile
You do not watch very much pr0n do you? -New stuff comes out everyday (every hour) b/c people want something 'new and fresh' Do you think it would be different for that part of the industry...come on now[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="poptart"]
I think the idea it perpetuates the making of child pr0n is wrong as even if it stopped tomorrow, there would still be millions of pictures available from past times. A person looking at a picture taken 10 years ago doesn't equate to a child being harmed today.
poptart
I'll have you know I watch lots of pr0n :P
My point does still stand. The industry rolls on maybe, but that doesn't mean everyone individual with such unfortunate tendencies thirsts for new material, just has every 'normal' individual doesn't crave the next conventional p0rn release. Besides, pictures of 14 girls taken by themselves on their camera phones doesn't equate to the kind of child p0rn you were referring to. I think there's a few too many presumptions and generalisations here...
There is, unfortunately, a huge underground child porn business. People would take such risks w/out a great demand/rewardI know we differ. I respect your POV and see its legitimacy I am headed down a minority report kind of road, and I knew where you taking us with that post It is not that I think it is right, it is that I see no better alternative[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
Can't say I really agree with you.
Pixel-Pirate
No, in this situation I do believe there are actual outlets for people with those fetishes.
Eventually though, for many, those outlets only work for so long -hard to keep this PG-13- Simulated rape, for example, eventually loses its appeal (just as watching a rape online eventually lost its appeal before that) ...thoughts and actions escalate over time (with all things, both good and bad)[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
No, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
rawsavon
The primary role of the government is to protect its people
-13 year olds fall into this category
Society should strive to raise children as best they can so that they may stand on their own.
Most KIDS lack the ability to do what is best for themselves
How many KIDS would choose to get immunizations, eat right, etc?
WE must help them reach a stage to where they can make their own decisions that enable them to care for themselves
...this does not include letting a 13 year old fall victim to pedophile
Right.. as though our government knows what's right for us. What a joke.
This is the truest statement i've seen on this topic. Some of you guys are seriously deluded. I bet my life on the fact that there is at least 1 14 year old girl you guys have been attracted to at some point during your times as an adult. And saying that it's wrong because the grown man would act on it is a ridiculous and weak argument, because if that were true, there'd be rampant cases of sexual abuse on minors. And the argument about them pursuing relationships with teens is even worse. Do you know how difficult it'd be for a 13 year old to want to be with a grown man, especially in these times?You guys are lying to yourselves if you're going to tell me that you've never been physically attracted to a 13-14 year-old girl, with yourself being much older. Sorry to break it to you guys, but unless you're gay we all have. There are some little hotties that give men bad thoughts. A couple thousand years ago we could've taken them as our wives at that age.
hartsickdiscipl
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I know we differ. I respect your POV and see its legitimacy I am headed down a minority report kind of road, and I knew where you taking us with that post It is not that I think it is right, it is that I see no better alternativerawsavon
No, in this situation I do believe there are actual outlets for people with those fetishes.
Eventually though, for many, those outlets only work for so long -hard to keep this PG-13- Simulated rape, for example, eventually loses its appeal (just as watching a rape online eventually lost its appeal before that) ...thoughts and actions escalate over time (with all things, both good and bad)Thats odd. Because many people have, say, a death fetish, but you don't hear of such murders happening very often. In fact, I almost never have.
I think it's a large assumption to think everyone will jump to higher and higher degrees in a fetish. This doesn't seem to happen with fetishes society deems okay. A foot fetish doesn't suddenly go out attacking people to see their feet one day.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
No, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
hartsickdiscipl
The primary role of the government is to protect its people
-13 year olds fall into this category
Society should strive to raise children as best they can so that they may stand on their own.
Most KIDS lack the ability to do what is best for themselves
How many KIDS would choose to get immunizations, eat right, etc?
WE must help them reach a stage to where they can make their own decisions that enable them to care for themselves
...this does not include letting a 13 year old fall victim to pedophile
Right.. as though our government knows what's right for us. What a joke.
The government protecting a child from a sexual predator is a joke :?
...wow
Right.. as though our government knows what's right for us. What a joke.
9 times out of 10 I'm as anti govt as the come, but when it comes to screwing around with 13 year olds, I find myself to be not in the Pro-Pedo camp.[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]Consensual sex with a 13 year old causing no harm? Classy. Your grass on the field theory is also very telling as studies have been shown that through unknown factors, girls are hitting puberty earlier and earlier but hey "if there's grass on the field lets line me up some 10 year olds" :|. Just because someone can physically have sex doesn't give them the mental capacity to understand just what it means to have sex. It's not about govt setting age limits, it's about a grown man finding a 13 year old sexually attractive. That is what's at issue here.No, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
Ken_Masterz
We need to stop overcomplicating simple issues and trying to set artificial limits in areas that are not 100% essential. I don't think this is a truly critical area. The smart kids will figure out what not to do, and the dumb ones will go down whatever path their parents and what they've been taught allows them to. It's the job of parents to enforce morality, not the government's. I consider this to be an issue of morality, not of criminal urges or behavior at all.
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]9 times out of 10 I'm as anti govt as the come, but when it comes to screwing around with 13 year olds, I find myself to be not in the Pro-Pedo camp.Right.. as though our government knows what's right for us. What a joke.
Ken_Masterz
I agree that there is such a thing as a pedophile, and that they are bad. I don't think that pedophilia is an applicable term once someone has the physical indicators of sexual maturity.
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]9 times out of 10 I'm as anti govt as the come, but when it comes to screwing around with 13 year olds, I find myself to be not in the Pro-Pedo camp.Right.. as though our government knows what's right for us. What a joke.
Ken_Masterz
Does Japan have more pedophilic crime than the US?
Honest question as I don't know.
I thonk we can all agree that its not wrong but acting upon the urges are.
Eventually though, for many, those outlets only work for so long -hard to keep this PG-13- Simulated rape, for example, eventually loses its appeal (just as watching a rape online eventually lost its appeal before that) ...thoughts and actions escalate over time (with all things, both good and bad)[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
No, in this situation I do believe there are actual outlets for people with those fetishes.
Pixel-Pirate
Thats odd. Because many people have, say, a death fetish, but you don't hear of such murders happening very often. In fact, I almost never have.
I think it's a large assumption to think everyone will jump to higher and higher degrees in a fetish. This doesn't seem to happen with fetishes society deems okay. A foot fetish doesn't suddenly go out attacking people to see their feet one day.
On the death fetish, tbh I have not seen ANY research. So I cannot comment intelligently (not that my other comments have been...but you get the point) Foot fetishes though, can be acted upon...they reach their 'climax'...no more room to escalate Rape play is dangerous b/c they can act out a fake one with their partner I do not know of people acting out death ones (but I don't know anything about it either)[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] You do not watch very much pr0n do you? -New stuff comes out everyday (every hour) b/c people want something 'new and fresh' Do you think it would be different for that part of the industry...come on nowrawsavon
I'll have you know I watch lots of pr0n :P
My point does still stand. The industry rolls on maybe, but that doesn't mean everyone individual with such unfortunate tendencies thirsts for new material, just has every 'normal' individual doesn't crave the next conventional p0rn release. Besides, pictures of 14 girls taken by themselves on their camera phones doesn't equate to the kind of child p0rn you were referring to. I think there's a few too many presumptions and generalisations here...
There is, unfortunately, a huge underground child porn business. People would take such risks w/out a great demand/rewardI have to go, but maybe there is a huge industry, but I still stand by my point that I don't think that everyone with this unfortunate sexual desire/orientation is a predatorial, p0rn hungry pedophile in waiting. That's a generalistion pushed by the media... there's an interesting comedy - Brass Eye Pedophile Special - about the media's disposition towards pedophilia (and the most complained about program ever mind you). Worth checking. Must dash. Nice chatting...:P
Pretty sure its natural. You just aren't allowed to because they are too stupid to say no for a piece of candy.SquatsAreAwesom
This is an awesome statement. So true.
a couple thousand years ago we would have killed any male in an attempt to reproduce, only to move on to the next female in heat. The world has moved on.[QUOTE="Ken_Masterz"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
You guys are lying to yourselves if you're going to tell me that you've never been physically attracted to a 13-14 year-old girl, with yourself being much older. Sorry to break it to you guys, but unless you're gay we all have. There are some little hotties that give men bad thoughts. A couple thousand years ago we could've taken them as our wives at that age.
hartsickdiscipl
No, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
I respectfully say that this is hogwash. There is no way a 13 year old is mature enough to consent to sex.On another note: I believe that sexual thoughts about 13-14 year olds is wrong. I know I can't speak for everyone, however when I was that age my sexual urges were directed towards grown women. The fact that tons of kids would look at those nudey mags(which featured grown women) is proof that I wasn't alone.
9 times out of 10 I'm as anti govt as the come, but when it comes to screwing around with 13 year olds, I find myself to be not in the Pro-Pedo camp.[QUOTE="Ken_Masterz"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
Right.. as though our government knows what's right for us. What a joke.
Pixel-Pirate
Does Japan have more pedophilic crime than the US?
Honest question as I don't know.
Me neither. I have never seen any psychological research from there...everI thonk we can all agree that its not wrong but acting upon the urges are.
warownslife
I think we can agree on that. I just disagree that if a person has an urge, they will fulfill it at all costs. I have an urge for a hamburger right now.
I'm probably not gonna go get that hamburger.
I agree that there is such a thing as a pedophile, and that they are bad. I don't think that pedophilia is an applicable term once someone has the physical indicators of sexual maturity.
A pedo attracted to a 10 year old whom hasn't hit puberty is just as much a pedo as one attracted to a 10 year old whom has.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
No, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
hartsickdiscipl
The primary role of the government is to protect its people
-13 year olds fall into this category
Society should strive to raise children as best they can so that they may stand on their own.
Most KIDS lack the ability to do what is best for themselves
How many KIDS would choose to get immunizations, eat right, etc?
WE must help them reach a stage to where they can make their own decisions that enable them to care for themselves
...this does not include letting a 13 year old fall victim to pedophile
Right.. as though our government knows what's right for us. What a joke.
So I guess it's ok to kill people now?
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
[QUOTE="Ken_Masterz"] a couple thousand years ago we would have killed any male in an attempt to reproduce, only to move on to the next female in heat. The world has moved on.jeremiah06
No, I think that would've been more than a couple thousand years ago, depending on which part of the world you lived in. I for one think that sex is far too personal a decision to give the government the right to set hard age limits for it. The grass on the field is the natural signal. I don't care what argument anybody tries to bring against that. Consensual sex doesn't do any immediate harm to either party. Rape is rape at any age, and is a totally separate issue. Once we start making laws that try to get inside people's heads and dictate how old they have to be to do a certain thing with their own bodies, we're really overstepping our rights IMO.
I respectfully say that this is hogwash. There is no way a 13 year old is mature enough to consent to sex.On another note: I believe that sexual thoughts about 13-14 year olds is wrong. I know I can't speak for everyone, however when I was that age my sexual urges were directed towards grown women. The fact that tons of kids would look at those nudey mags(which featured grown women) is proof that I wasn't alone.
I've almost always gone for older women too, but if you think that your tendencies represent the majority of males, you're delusional. Let's accept it. Old men like young girls, they get a big rail-on from hot girls of any age.. and it's natural. Get over it.
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]A pedo attracted to a 10 year old whom hasn't hit puberty is just as much a pedo as one attracted to a 10 year old whom has.I agree that there is such a thing as a pedophile, and that they are bad. I don't think that pedophilia is an applicable term once someone has the physical indicators of sexual maturity.
Ken_Masterz
Generally pedophiles are not attracted to people who have hit puberty.
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]A pedo attracted to a 10 year old whom hasn't hit puberty is just as much a pedo as one attracted to a 10 year old whom has.I agree that there is such a thing as a pedophile, and that they are bad. I don't think that pedophilia is an applicable term once someone has the physical indicators of sexual maturity.
Ken_Masterz
I completely disagree. It's the physical indicators that make the difference.
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]
The primary role of the government is to protect its people
-13 year olds fall into this categorySociety should strive to raise children as best they can so that they may stand on their own.
Most KIDS lack the ability to do what is best for themselves
How many KIDS would choose to get immunizations, eat right, etc?WE must help them reach a stage to where they can make their own decisions that enable them to care for themselves
...this does not include letting a 13 year old fall victim to pedophileShottayouth13-
Right.. as though our government knows what's right for us. What a joke.
So I guess it's ok to kill people now?
According to our government, it depends on the situation.
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