Is it really "wrong" for grown men to be attracted to 13-14 year old g

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] He (hartsickdiscipl) apparently supports it.Shottayouth13-

I know the law in the US considers it rape, but I don't. They need to get their paws out of people's personal affairs. Nobody has the right to tell someone who is physically mature enough for sex that their mind isn't ready for it. That's for each person to find out.

If she willingly went for it, I'd consider that bad parenting.

Thoughts are one thing. Actions are another.

Sure, we can say that "well if you think about it, eventually you're going to do it". That's not necessarily true. I can guarantee that every one of us, male or female, has or has had some kind of urge or desire that society would deem "wrong". Are we a "bad" people for having them? No. Only if you act on them.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I think we can agree on that. I just disagree that if a person has an urge, they will fulfill it at all costs. I have an urge for a hamburger right now.

I'm probably not gonna go get that hamburger.

Pixel-Pirate

That would assume that that was their only sexual fetish and the predominent one at all time.

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

[QUOTE="SeraphimGoddess"]Exactly. Just look at how the Australian government banned all A-cup breasts in pornography because they deemed it too close to child pornography.SeraphimGoddess

Lol wat? :lol: I know we have a moronic government.......but that's just going a bit far...

Trust me.....no offense taken. We still don't even have an R18+ for video games. Our government is seriously trying to send us back to the stone age...

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I know the law in the US considers it rape, but I don't. They need to get their paws out of people's personal affairs. Nobody has the right to tell someone who is physically mature enough for sex that their mind isn't ready for it. That's for each person to find out.

hartsickdiscipl

If she willingly went for it, I'd consider that bad parenting.

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"] Well i think we can all agree that it's wrong to ACT on it, according to society. but attraction? that's not so black and white.Solid_Snake325

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] But if you thought about a hamburger all day everyday for your entire life (the rate at which people, especially men, have some sexual thought) you probably would eventually eat a hamburgerrawsavon

That would assume that that was their only sexual fetish and the predominent one at all time.

It's very possible for a person to be attracted to adults and younger looking people. Just as it is possible for a person to be attracted to men and women.

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"] Attraction can never be considered wrong if it's a part of what you are. That's like saying being a homosexual is wrong. It's not "wrong" to be homosexual, or even a serial killer, it's simply what you are. There's a HUGE difference between someone who decides to kill someone over money, and someone who kills someone due to a mental disease such as paranoid schizophrenia. And while pedophiles are mentally alert of society, and it's rules, they still suffer from an imbalance. They can choose not to act up on it, but the fact that they are attracted in the first place isn't wrong, it's just what and who they are, it is their reality.

Animatronic64

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Question: Would you want some old dude having sexual relations with your just developing daughter?Shottayouth13-

If she willingly went for it, I'd consider that bad parenting.

I didn't say that I support it. I just said that it shouldn't be a legal matter as long as the girl/boy has at least hit puberty. If she gets pregnant, then her parents and the person who impregnated her are responsible. I wouldn't teach my 13 or 14 year-old daughter that it's ok to have sex with people outside of marriage, period. If my message didn't get through clearly enough, I guess I wasn't a very good parent in the area of morality.

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I believe that has happened to all of us older guys. -you were attracted to something you are are usually attracted torawsavon

I agree, and I was agreeing with blueduck
-but if you knew she was 13 and acted upon, that is where the problem comes in

That is where the distinction would be made. If you found out she was 13 then you could just move on to another woman. Someone who'd still pursue her would have a problem, but ****fying them as a pedophile would be incorrect.

You know we haven't even introduced the idea of double standards in this topic.

You know we haven't even introduced the idea of double standards in this topic.

warownslife

Trust me.....no offense taken. We still don't even have an R18+ for video games. Our government is seriously trying to send us back to the stone age...

Celldrax

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] If the underdeveloped body of a child turns you on then we can start classification.harashawn

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

You know we haven't even introduced the idea of double standards in this topic.

ssc0n

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

If she willingly went for it, I'd consider that bad parenting.

hartsickdiscipl

I didn't say that I support it. I just said that it shouldn't be a legal matter as long as the girl/boy has at least hit puberty. If she gets pregnant, then her parents and the person who impregnated her are responsible. I wouldn't teach my 13 or 14 year-old daughter that it's ok to have sex with people outside of marriage, period. If my message didn't get through clearly enough, I guess I wasn't a very good parent in the area of morality.

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"] If the underdeveloped body of a child turns you on then we can start classification.SeraphimGoddess

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Ok let me get this straight. You seemingly support statutory rape but now you're saying that if an underage girl is having sex it's her parents fault? Whut?Shottayouth13-

I didn't say that I support it. I just said that it shouldn't be a legal matter as long as the girl/boy has at least hit puberty. If she gets pregnant, then her parents and the person who impregnated her are responsible. I wouldn't teach my 13 or 14 year-old daughter that it's ok to have sex with people outside of marriage, period. If my message didn't get through clearly enough, I guess I wasn't a very good parent in the area of morality.

That's your opinion. Unfortunately, it's also the law at present. A law that I feel governments have no right to pass. I'm sorry if it offends you, but we don't have the ability or the right to go inside of someone's head and heart, and decide if they're old enough for sex. Keep the government out of the equation on consensual sex. Parents need to teach their kids better. We don't need laws trying to pick up slack for bad parenting.

Is it "wrong" for a prepubescent girl--or even boy--to be attracted to a grown man/woman... say, over 20 years old?

[QUOTE="SeraphimGoddess"][QUOTE="harashawn"] So what if it does? If the person chooses not to act on their attraction why should it matter? harashawn

Is it "wrong" for a prepubescent girl--or even boy--to be attracted to a grown man... say, over 20 years old?ssc0n

Is it "wrong" for a prepubescent girl--or even boy--to be attracted to a grown man/woman... say, over 20 years old?

ssc0n

That's a hell of a question. From the time I was 4 years old up until now I've almost always been attracted to older women. Hell, when I was 13 I wanted a girl (woman) who was 18 or 19 BAD. Was that perverted?

Which is a huge problem in our society. If someone merely thinks about killing someone, nobody cares; but if someone has innapropriate thoughts involving a minor, they are considered a terrible person.

harashawn

In todays society it is wrong but honestly the way girls dress and make themselves up many of them look older than they are. Some of them may have the looks of a grown woman but that doesn't mean they are mentally as developed and ready to be with a man. I'd say it isn't wrong to be physically attracted to girls that age but to pursue a girl that age is definitely wrong.

People assume that if you have the loaded cannon ready, you're always going to fire it.SeraphimGoddess

[QUOTE="SeraphimGoddess"][QUOTE="harashawn"] So what if it does? If the person chooses not to act on their attraction why should it matter? harashawn

I feel the need to ask you a question here. I am someone who has had thoughts of killing people, both myself and others. I have never acted upon such impulses though, so would you say that is a problem or know? Would that make me a bad person? I am curious as to your response.

Anyways, I agree with the TC and have stated the exact same ideals in a different topic. I have had attractions to girls just to find out they are too young. It happens. There is nothing that can gaurantee you their age when you simply look at them and know nothing about them. In reality the real difference between the sane and insane is someone who is crazy will have those thoughts and feel they are a good idea and act upon thoe urges.

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I didn't say that I support it. I just said that it shouldn't be a legal matter as long as the girl/boy has at least hit puberty. If she gets pregnant, then her parents and the person who impregnated her are responsible. I wouldn't teach my 13 or 14 year-old daughter that it's ok to have sex with people outside of marriage, period. If my message didn't get through clearly enough, I guess I wasn't a very good parent in the area of morality.

hartsickdiscipl

That's your opinion. Unfortunately, it's also the law at present. A law that I feel governments have no right to pass. I'm sorry if it offends you, but we don't have the ability or the right to go inside of someone's head and heart, and decide if they're old enough for sex. Keep the government out of the equation on consensual sex. Parents need to teach their kids better. We don't need laws trying to pick up slack for bad parenting.

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Which is a huge problem in our society. If someone merely thinks about killing someone, nobody cares; but if someone has innapropriate thoughts involving a minor, they are considered a terrible person.

harashawn

I think that's wrong. A 16-18 year old or a girl who's developed is wrong too, but it's not as bad I as a 13 year old imo.Mr_Cumberdale

So it's wrong for a guy in their mid to late teens to be attracted to 16 - 18 year olds? :?

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Which is a huge problem in our society. If someone merely thinks about killing someone, nobody cares; but if someone has innapropriate thoughts involving a minor, they are considered a terrible person.

harashawn

I feel the need to ask you a question here. I am someone who has had thoughts of killing people, both myself and others. I have never acted upon such impulses though, so would you say that is a problem or know? Would that make me a bad person? I am curious as to your response.

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]I think that's wrong. A 16-18 year old or a girl who's developed is wrong too, but it's not as bad I as a 13 year old imo.Celldrax

So it's wrong for a guy in their mid to late teens to be attracted to 16 - 18 year olds? :?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] Girls hit puberty at about 11,12,13 thereabout, that's not an age where CHILDREN should be having sexual relations. Laws are in place because (as I stated earlier) people can't help what they are attracted to, but that doesn't mean that they should act on such impulses. That's why it's a legal matter. Shottayouth13-

That's your opinion. Unfortunately, it's also the law at present. A law that I feel governments have no right to pass. I'm sorry if it offends you, but we don't have the ability or the right to go inside of someone's head and heart, and decide if they're old enough for sex. Keep the government out of the equation on consensual sex. Parents need to teach their kids better. We don't need laws trying to pick up slack for bad parenting.

No, I don't think this law is the same as most other "age limit laws." Driving a car. drinking (age should be 18 or military age should be 21). The driving age limit, for example, is in place to people who are too young from driving a vehicle on public roads. They don't want kids driving because they are dangerous drivers at 17 or 18, let alone 13 or 14.. A car in the hands of the wrong person is a deadly weapon, especially on packed streets. Alchohol inherently causes a person to become uninhibited and sometimes uncontrollable. These are very different issues than what somebody does with their private parts.

"Wrong" in what manner? Morally? That depends on the person. Legally? Yes. Technically? No, because most girls at that age are sexually ready to bear children, and were being married off for millennia to men much older than them.

I personally see an issue with it because girls at that age are not mature enough to handle the adult responsibilities associated with a relationship with an adult, and if they get involved with someone of that age, may end up hurt emotionally, or much more seriously. I don't see anything morally wrong with an attraction, or a consensual sexual relationship (even if she is not of age of consent, or mentally ready to handle it), but once it turns into something more violent or abusive, then its time to stop it.

No. We're talking about grown men, as stated in the topic.ssc0n

I'm aware of that :P But even in their 30's - 40's, it not exactly "wrong". It's just not quite the norm.

[QUOTE="ssc0n"]

Is it "wrong" for a prepubescent girl--or even boy--to be attracted to a grown man/woman... say, over 20 years old?

hartsickdiscipl

That's a hell of a question. From the time I was 4 years old up until now I've almost always been attracted to older women. Hell, when I was 13 I wanted a girl (woman) who was 18 or 19 BAD. Was that perverted?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ssc0n"]

Is it "wrong" for a prepubescent girl--or even boy--to be attracted to a grown man/woman... say, over 20 years old?

jeremiah06

That's a hell of a question. From the time I was 4 years old up until now I've almost always been attracted to older women. Hell, when I was 13 I wanted a girl (woman) who was 18 or 19 BAD. Was that perverted?

Yep, I agree. I'm guessing that you weren't sporting pubes or a stiffy in 3rd grade.. so that would have been wrong. :P

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ssc0n"]

Is it "wrong" for a prepubescent girl--or even boy--to be attracted to a grown man/woman... say, over 20 years old?

jeremiah06

That's a hell of a question. From the time I was 4 years old up until now I've almost always been attracted to older women. Hell, when I was 13 I wanted a girl (woman) who was 18 or 19 BAD. Was that perverted?

I must commend OT on this thread. It has actually been really respectful and not filled with the stupidity this type of thread usually garners, such as people acusing others of being pedophiles, or what have you.

no, I do not think it is wrong for a physically mature male to be mildlyattracted to a physically mature female.

A pretty woman is a pretty woman, after all, and most women have hit puberty by that point and are well into it.

Now, when we get into the subject of mental maturity, that is when lines must be drawn and not crossed.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I feel the need to ask you a question here. I am someone who has had thoughts of killing people, both myself and others. I have never acted upon such impulses though, so would you say that is a problem or know? Would that make me a bad person? I am curious as to your response.

harashawn

Bah, I had read it before but it apparently didn't "click" in my head at first, lol.

OK me and you are in the same boat then.

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

That's your opinion. Unfortunately, it's also the law at present. A law that I feel governments have no right to pass. I'm sorry if it offends you, but we don't have the ability or the right to go inside of someone's head and heart, and decide if they're old enough for sex. Keep the government out of the equation on consensual sex. Parents need to teach their kids better. We don't need laws trying to pick up slack for bad parenting.

hartsickdiscipl

No, I don't think this law is the same as most other "age limit laws." Driving a car. drinking (age should be 18 or military age should be 21). The driving age limit, for example, is in place to people who are too young from driving a vehicle on public roads. They don't want kids driving because they are dangerous drivers at 17 or 18, let alone 13 or 14.. A car in the hands of the wrong person is a deadly weapon, especially on packed streets. Alchohol inherently causes a person to become uninhibited and sometimes uncontrollable. These are very different issues than what somebody does with their private parts.

To have therapy no not really.

T_REX305

I must commend OT on this thread. It has actually been really respectful and not filled with the stupidity this type of thread usually garners, such as people acusing others of being pedophiles, or what have you.

Pixel-Pirate

no, I do not think it is wrong for a physically mature male to be mildlyattracted to a physically mature female.

A pretty woman is a pretty woman, after all, and most women have hit puberty by that point and are well into it.

Now, when we get into the subject of mental maturity, that is when lines must be drawn and not crossed.

mrbojangles25