Is it really "wrong" for grown men to be attracted to 13-14 year old g

[QUOTE="Hemaneitor"][QUOTE="Duckman5"] Where do you live? warownslife

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[QUOTE="Duckman5"] Where do you live? warownslife

Colombia

[QUOTE="warownslife"][QUOTE="Hemaneitor"] Colombiascorch-62

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Not if the 14 year-old were allowed to get married ;). That's what I was getting at. Once you're married, your parents aren't responsible anymore.

hartsickdiscipl

Yeah, I don't think either of us is going to sway the other on this subject. Goodnight to you!

[QUOTE="poptart"]rawsavon

Well then you'll recognise that the hypothesis that people with pedophilic tendencies will act upon their impulses is untestable then, and any speculation under the guise of science is merely dangerously fuelling the irrational fears as perpetuated by the media. Being a person with a background in psychology you'll understand that you can't say 'a person will generally fulfill their sexual desires during the course of their life' as it is wholly dependent upon what those desires actually are and - importantly - whether or not people admit to them.

People who indulge in viewing images online are more likely to follow through with a physical act I'm sure, in the same way people who smoke weed are more likely to move onto harder drugs. It's a correlation, not a given.

The consequences of pedophila are vastly different to desires considered acceptable within the boundaries of society; with the former likely catastrophic. Of course pedophilia is a terrible, terrible thing, but a blanket view such as this impedes understanding which is never good.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] Fair enough... I feel all that can be said tonight has, so I'll check beck in the morning if its not locked.jeremiah06

Yeah, I don't think either of us is going to sway the other on this subject. Goodnight to you!

I like hearing other people's inputs as well. I understand the reasons why the laws are in place, I just think that they are ignoring the overall more important issue of personal freedom to do as you please with your sexually-ready body.

yes its wrong on so many levels

iwilson1296

[QUOTE="warownslife"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] Well, that's not creepy or anything.scorch-62

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]

yes its wrong on so many levels

gamebreakerz__

nothing is wrong untill you act on it imo. just a thought can't possibly be called "wrong". untill you act on it. dkdk999

If you're turned on by something, you're probably going to make a move sooner or later.

I'm not saying cut their balls off because thats stupid.

If you're turned on by something, you're probably going to make a move sooner or later.

I'm not saying cut their balls off because thats stupid.

-TheSecondSign-

I'm turned on by probably 30% of the women I see in Austin. That doesn't mean that I'm going to make a move sooner or later on all of them.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

If you're turned on by something, you're probably going to make a move sooner or later.

I'm not saying cut their balls off because thats stupid.

hartsickdiscipl

I'm turned on by probably 30% of the women I see in Austin. That doesn't mean that I'm going to make a move sooner or later on all of them.

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm turned on by probably 30% of the women I see in Austin. That doesn't mean that I'm going to make a move sooner or later on all of them.

hartsickdiscipl

Is there grass on the field? :D

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="warownslife"]Really? anyway I'v neen wanting to ask you. I'v been looking at your posts and i know i must be wrong but i got this impression from it. Do you think it would be ok for a 13 year old and a 22 year old to do things if they were married?

warownslife

Is there grass on the field? :D

Of course it does.

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Is there grass on the field? :D

hartsickdiscipl

Of course it does.

yes you're f****d up for even asking this question

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="warownslife"]Does that mean what i think that means? :shock:

warownslife

Of course it does.

Married people are supposed to have sex. It's called the "marital due," as described in the Bible. If you're married, you'd better be giving it up to your spouse. Like I said earlier, nature tells us when the body is ready for sex, and nobody is qualified to judge when another person is emotionally/mentally ready for something that personal.

I'm sorry that you don't trust me. I can't say that you're the first :P

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Of course it does.

hartsickdiscipl

Married people are supposed to have sex. It's called the "marital due," as described in the Bible. If you're married, you'd better be giving it up to your spouse. Like I said earlier, nature tells us when the body is ready for sex, and nobody is qualified to judge when another person is emotionally/mentally ready for something that personal.

I'm sorry that you don't trust me. I can't say that you're the first :P

it really isnt ok for grown men to have sex with minors...hence why there is a law against any sex with minors

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="warownslife"]So you would be ok with it if they were married? I still think of you as a friend but I'm sorry, i don't trust you now.

warownslife

Married people are supposed to have sex. It's called the "marital due," as described in the Bible. If you're married, you'd better be giving it up to your spouse. Like I said earlier, nature tells us when the body is ready for sex, and nobody is qualified to judge when another person is emotionally/mentally ready for something that personal.

I'm sorry that you don't trust me. I can't say that you're the first :P

Like I've said many times throughout this thread, I don't consider someone to be a child sexually once they hit puberty. Many societies throughout history have felt this way, and structured themselves so that teens were often married.

I'm sorry if you don't think marriage means anything in this time period. I still think it does. It means something if it's important to you and to your spouse. Everything in life is like that.. things mean as much as you feel they do. You'll learn that as you grow older. Unfortunately we have alot of immoral people who cheapen their marriages in various ways. This world isn't going to go on like this all that much longer. I can't wait for it to end.

it really isnt ok for grown men to have sex with minors...hence why there is a law against any sex with minors

MaddogQ80

Attraction=/=Sex

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Married people are supposed to have sex. It's called the "marital due," as described in the Bible. If you're married, you'd better be giving it up to your spouse. Like I said earlier, nature tells us when the body is ready for sex, and nobody is qualified to judge when another person is emotionally/mentally ready for something that personal.

I'm sorry that you don't trust me. I can't say that you're the first :P

hartsickdiscipl

Like I've said many times throughout this thread, I don't consider someone to be a child sexually once they hit puberty. Many societies throughout history have felt this way, and structured themselves so that teens were often married.

I'm sorry if you don't think marriage means anything in this time period. I still think it does. It means something if it's important to you and to your spouse. Everything in life is like that.. things mean as much as you feel they do. You'll learn that as you grow older. Unfortunately we have alot of immoral people who cheapen their marriages in various ways. This world isn't going to go on like this all that much longer. I can't wait for it to end.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="warownslife"]You would be ok if a child had sex! As a man who eventually wants children i can't look at you the same way. Marriage means nothing in this time period.

warownslife

Like I've said many times throughout this thread, I don't consider someone to be a child sexually once they hit puberty. Many societies throughout history have felt this way, and structured themselves so that teens were often married.

I'm sorry if you don't think marriage means anything in this time period. I still think it does. It means something if it's important to you and to your spouse. Everything in life is like that.. things mean as much as you feel they do. You'll learn that as you grow older. Unfortunately we have alot of immoral people who cheapen their marriages in various ways. This world isn't going to go on like this all that much longer. I can't wait for it to end.

Hey, don't let me change your mind. I know most people will be disgusted by my point of view, because they're used to their government making the call and taking the decision out of the hands of people... a VERY personal decision. IMO too personal for a government to make laws about it with a hard age limit. Didn't you say that you're 14? I don't want to get in trouble for talking to a 14 year-old about this type of subject matter, so I think I'll leave it at that.

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Like I've said many times throughout this thread, I don't consider someone to be a child sexually once they hit puberty. Many societies throughout history have felt this way, and structured themselves so that teens were often married.

I'm sorry if you don't think marriage means anything in this time period. I still think it does. It means something if it's important to you and to your spouse. Everything in life is like that.. things mean as much as you feel they do. You'll learn that as you grow older. Unfortunately we have alot of immoral people who cheapen their marriages in various ways. This world isn't going to go on like this all that much longer. I can't wait for it to end.

hartsickdiscipl

Hey, don't let me change your mind. I know most people will be disgusted by my point of view, because they're used to their government making the call and taking the decision out of the hands of people... a VERY personal decision. IMO too personal for a government to make laws about it with a hard age limit. Didn't you say that you're 14? I don't want to get in trouble for talking to a 14 year-old about this type of subject matter, so I think I'll leave it at that.

A. You have not chnged my mind at all. I see your point of view but i can't seem to understand it. I'm trying though.

B. I don't usually post my age because then for some reason people treat me different as seen above. :x

I would love to stay and talk too you about how my age doesn't matter, try and see your point of view, and see what you would think if this ever happened but I'm an merican and I am tired. Good night and never have my age change your oponion on me again.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="warownslife"]Now i don't know what to think. I havee very strong moral guide lines to this sort of thing. IF they were both responsible/mature and weren't being forced i could look the other way i guess but thats not going to happen anytime soon.

warownslife

Hey, don't let me change your mind. I know most people will be disgusted by my point of view, because they're used to their government making the call and taking the decision out of the hands of people... a VERY personal decision. IMO too personal for a government to make laws about it with a hard age limit. Didn't you say that you're 14? I don't want to get in trouble for talking to a 14 year-old about this type of subject matter, so I think I'll leave it at that.

A. You have not chnged my mind at all. I see your point of view but i can't seem to understand it. I'm trying though.

B. I don't usually post my age because then for some reason people treat me different as seen above. :x

I would love to stay and talk too you about how my age doesn't matter, try and see your point of view, and see what you would think if this ever happened but I'm an merican and I am tired. Good night and never have my age change your oponion on me again.

It's not that my opinion of you changed because you're 14.. it's the fact that I'm talking with a 14 year-old about sexual subject matter. I don't personally have an issue with it, but I'd rather not chance legal troubles. I don't know the law real well in this area. Don't take it personally, it's just the stupid legal system that we have.

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Hey, don't let me change your mind. I know most people will be disgusted by my point of view, because they're used to their government making the call and taking the decision out of the hands of people... a VERY personal decision. IMO too personal for a government to make laws about it with a hard age limit. Didn't you say that you're 14? I don't want to get in trouble for talking to a 14 year-old about this type of subject matter, so I think I'll leave it at that.

hartsickdiscipl

A. You have not chnged my mind at all. I see your point of view but i can't seem to understand it. I'm trying though.

B. I don't usually post my age because then for some reason people treat me different as seen above. :x

I would love to stay and talk too you about how my age doesn't matter, try and see your point of view, and see what you would think if this ever happened but I'm an merican and I am tired. Good night and never have my age change your oponion on me again.

It's not that my opinion of you changed because you're 14.. it's the fact that I'm talking with a 14 year-old about sexual subject matter. I don't personally have an issue with it, but I'd rather not chance legal troubles. I don't know the law real well in this area. Don't take it personally, it's just the stupid legal system that we have.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="warownslife"]Wait just one freaking minute. Theirs a few thingswrong with that.

A. You have not chnged my mind at all. I see your point of view but i can't seem to understand it. I'm trying though.

B. I don't usually post my age because then for some reason people treat me different as seen above. :x

I would love to stay and talk too you about how my age doesn't matter, try and see your point of view, and see what you would think if this ever happened but I'm an merican and I am tired. Good night and never have my age change your oponion on me again.

warownslife

It's not that my opinion of you changed because you're 14.. it's the fact that I'm talking with a 14 year-old about sexual subject matter. I don't personally have an issue with it, but I'd rather not chance legal troubles. I don't know the law real well in this area. Don't take it personally, it's just the stupid legal system that we have.

Murder, stealing, rape, infidelity, etc.. They're dishonorable things. I can't think of too many things more dishonorable than cheating on the person you're supposed to be closest to.

No it isn't wrong for men to be attracted to younger females. The problem is acting on those impulses. It's illegal and therefore looked down upon and shunned.

Attraction: fine.

Sex: no.

There are girls that mature at a faster rate and by a certain age they are just naturally more attractive. It's not wrong to be attracted to them, you can't control that. You can, however, choose your actions and choose not to pursue them for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE="warownslife"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Then why are our prisons so overcrowded....rawsavon

The reason our prisons are over crowded first off is because of the standard of what is illegal is, in some ways, messed up (to put it nicely...)

Who's to say how much I should eat, smoke, drink, or play games?! I have but one life to live and what I do is my business. Same with everyone else (unless you have a family to support... protecting yourself is protecting them.) Am I really not controlling myself by not being perfectly healthy? I owe nobody self-excellence. Ethics are relative. Hurting others is obviously different, molestation is illegal for a reason, the children or teenager involved is usually not completely aware of the implications involved. Being attracted to a young person is obviously taboo, but I don't believe it is necessarily wrong, but that is on the basis that ephobilia is not wrong. I personally believe it is natural to be attracted to post-pubescent humans, whether male or female.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="warownslife"]I'm not saying that all people have control but most do or get help to control themselves.

freetoex

The reason our prisons are over crowded first off is because of the standard of what is illegal is, in some ways, messed up (to put it nicely...)

Who's to say how much I should eat, smoke, drink, or play games?! I have but one life to live and what I do is my business. Same with everyone else (unless you have a family to support... protecting yourself is protecting them.) Am I really not controlling myself by not being perfectly healthy? I owe nobody self-excellence. Ethics are relative. Hurting others is obviously different, molestation is illegal for a reason, the children or teenager involved is usually not completely aware of the implications involved. Being attracted to a young person is obviously taboo, but I don't believe it is necessarily wrong, but that is on the basis that ephobilia is not wrong. I personally believe it is natural to be attracted to post-pubescent humans, whether male or female.

My post was not an assertion of what is right or wrong, but it was an assertion concerning man's inability to exhibit self control.

It is easy to say that one has self-control when there is a socially acceptable outlet for their inner wants/desires.
But imagine that there is no such outlet...that is where problems arise

i'm going to speak my peice i was little and was hurt by "impulse" now attracted to a "young girl" is one thing (like if she look's like she's 17,18) but thet're some really morally wrong people who look at a 13 year old and have the same thoughts they would if she was 24zoraluv

It's not socially accepted and it is wrong. Men aren't supposed to be attracted to a girl that's just entered the fertility age.Kenny789

Biologicly speaking, I don't think that is entirely correct.

[QUOTE="freetoex"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Really? We could go down the list -overeating -criminal activities -not maintaining a healthy life$tyle -drugs and alcohol -too much TV/video games etc. most people LACK self controlrawsavon

The reason our prisons are over crowded first off is because of the standard of what is illegal is, in some ways, messed up (to put it nicely...)

Who's to say how much I should eat, smoke, drink, or play games?! I have but one life to live and what I do is my business. Same with everyone else (unless you have a family to support... protecting yourself is protecting them.) Am I really not controlling myself by not being perfectly healthy? I owe nobody self-excellence. Ethics are relative. Hurting others is obviously different, molestation is illegal for a reason, the children or teenager involved is usually not completely aware of the implications involved. Being attracted to a young person is obviously taboo, but I don't believe it is necessarily wrong, but that is on the basis that ephobilia is not wrong. I personally believe it is natural to be attracted to post-pubescent humans, whether male or female.

My post was not an assertion of what is right or wrong, but it was an assertion concerning man's inability to exhibit self control.

It is easy to say that one has self-control when there is a socially acceptable outlet for their inner wants/desires.
But imagine that there is no such outlet...that is where problems arise

[QUOTE="zoraluv"]i'm going to speak my peice i was little and was hurt by "impulse" now attracted to a "young girl" is one thing (like if she look's like she's 17,18) but thet're some really morally wrong people who look at a 13 year old and have the same thoughts they would if she was 24Ken_Masterz

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="freetoex"]

The reason our prisons are over crowded first off is because of the standard of what is illegal is, in some ways, messed up (to put it nicely...)

Who's to say how much I should eat, smoke, drink, or play games?! I have but one life to live and what I do is my business. Same with everyone else (unless you have a family to support... protecting yourself is protecting them.) Am I really not controlling myself by not being perfectly healthy? I owe nobody self-excellence. Ethics are relative. Hurting others is obviously different, molestation is illegal for a reason, the children or teenager involved is usually not completely aware of the implications involved. Being attracted to a young person is obviously taboo, but I don't believe it is necessarily wrong, but that is on the basis that ephobilia is not wrong. I personally believe it is natural to be attracted to post-pubescent humans, whether male or female.

freetoex

My post was not an assertion of what is right or wrong, but it was an assertion concerning man's inability to exhibit self control.

It is easy to say that one has self-control when there is a socially acceptable outlet for their inner wants/desires.
But imagine that there is no such outlet...that is where problems arise

Research says otherwise.
-the research has been done on all behaviors (sexual in nature, hunger, misc. wants, etc.)

It shows that behavior escalates over time.
...it is something that grows over time until it is 'resolved' (can be through sexual climax, obtainment of food, getting something you want...it does not matter)

There has also been considerable research done on both convicted sex offenders and serial killers
-the same pattern holds true
-thoughts lead to fantasy lead to viewing lead planning lead to action

There is no conjecture on my end

I don't know. There are many slutty teens out there. I won't blame any guy for being attracted to one of those.

Just make sure rawsavon is properly tied to a pole before even attemting to glance at one! :P

i agree but now a days these little girls (12-14) wanna act so grown up...that they dress like skanks and give guy's the wrong impression.....trust me that is still no excuse for the older guyszoraluv

[QUOTE="freetoex"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

My post was not an assertion of what is right or wrong, but it was an assertion concerning man's inability to exhibit self control.

It is easy to say that one has self-control when there is a socially acceptable outlet for their inner wants/desires.
But imagine that there is no such outlet...that is where problems arise

rawsavon

Research says otherwise.
-the research has been done on all behaviors (sexual in nature, hunger, misc. wants, etc.)

It shows that behavior escalates over time.
...it is something that grows over time until it is 'resolved' (can be through sexual climax, obtainment of food, getting something you want...it does not matter)

There has also been considerable research done on both convicted sex offenders and serial killers
-the same pattern holds true
-thoughts lead to fantasy lead to viewing lead planning lead to action

There is no conjecture on my end

Shouldn't that mean most people should be psychotic murderers at this time?

Many people think or even fantasize about killing. It is pretty much human nature. Some live out these fantasies by watching violent video games and other media.

There for, I must assume those people will eventually escalate to where the games violence is not enough and they must go out killing.

So I can't agree that any sort of fantasy leads to reality unless I at the same time accept that guys like Jack Thompson and Australia are right and violent media will turn people into killers. Fantasy leads to reality 100% of the time.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="freetoex"]You are assuming too much. I do not believe that man has such a lack of control. Some yes, but suggesting that something you can't help, and is quite common, WILL lead you to something so horrible as child molestation... that is pure conjecture.

Pixel-Pirate

Research says otherwise.
-the research has been done on all behaviors (sexual in nature, hunger, misc. wants, etc.)

It shows that behavior escalates over time.
...it is something that grows over time until it is 'resolved' (can be through sexual climax, obtainment of food, getting something you want...it does not matter)

There has also been considerable research done on both convicted sex offenders and serial killers
-the same pattern holds true
-thoughts lead to fantasy lead to viewing lead planning lead to action

There is no conjecture on my end

Shouldn't that mean most people should be psychotic murderers at this time?

Many people think or even fantasize about killing. It is pretty much human nature. Some live out these fantasies by watching violent video games and other media.

There for, I must assume those people will eventually escalate to where the games violence is not enough and they must go out killing.

So I can't agree that any sort of fantasy leads to reality unless I at the same time accept that guys like Jack Thompson and Australia are right and violent media will turn people into killers. Fantasy leads to reality 100% of the time.

There is a world of difference in a passing thought (or one even experienced once a week) and one that is experienced every hour (sexual thoughts)
The people that think about REALLY killing someone every hour are the ones that end up being (or attempting to be) serial killers

It is the same as your hamburger example earlier
-if you want one once in a while, you can easily control that
-if you want one every hour of every day for your entire life, you will not

EDIT,I don' know WTF happened with that message

[QUOTE="zoraluv"] i agree but now a days these little girls (12-14) wanna act so grown up...that they dress like skanks and give guy's the wrong impression.....trust me that is still no excuse for the older guysKen_Masterz