is religion the main reason women today are second class?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I would say it is the main reason for the institutionalization of sexism. alexside1

I don't know how to put it right. The problem is that today's feminism gives some women the wrong impression that they must not compromise at all or else they are letting themselves go. The point is, relationships are all about sacrifices, there can't be a relationship without changing few things in each person in the relationship.GazaAli

I don't know how to put it right. The problem is that today's feminism gives some women the wrong impression that they must not compromise at all or else they are letting themselves go. The point is, relationships are all about sacrifices, there can't be a relationship without changing few things in each person in the relationship.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I don't know how to put it right. The problem is that today's feminism gives some women the wrong impression that they must not compromise at all or else they are letting themselves go. The point is, relationships are all about sacrifices, there can't be a relationship without changing few things in each person in the relationship.ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I don't know how to put it right. The problem is that today's feminism gives some women the wrong impression that they must not compromise at all or else they are letting themselves go. The point is, relationships are all about sacrifices, there can't be a relationship without changing few things in each person in the relationship.ghoklebutter

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I don't know how to put it right. The problem is that today's feminism gives some women the wrong impression that they must not compromise at all or else they are letting themselves go. The point is, relationships are all about sacrifices, there can't be a relationship without changing few things in each person in the relationship.themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Feminists generally don't oppose compromises in relationships. What they do oppose are patriarchal structure of relationships that involve subordination in some way.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Some religious beliefs enforce gender discrimination and some religious beliefs remove gender discrimination. Personally, however, I am of the belief that Christianity is one belief that ought to remove such discrimination. A simple point of evidence would be the notion that more females have been Christians across both history and geography than males. This point is extremely true everywhere from the Early Church to modern day China.Nuck81

My opinion on this topic is that TC doesn't know **** TC name me one time when you have personally seen woman being treated as second class. And what other "underdeveloped countries" are you talking about where they treat woman as second class, since you seem to have done extensive research on this topic due to your well researched OP. Name me these countries, these religions, cultures and social structures as well as examples because they how ur making it seem is like its something thats out of control which is not.

JJ_Productions

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I don't know how to put it right. The problem is that today's feminism gives some women the wrong impression that they must not compromise at all or else they are letting themselves go. The point is, relationships are all about sacrifices, there can't be a relationship without changing few things in each person in the relationship.GazaAli

In the western world I would say it was a holdover from that old paganism in which women were essentially little more than property without any dignity and worth.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Feminists generally don't oppose compromises in relationships. What they do oppose are patriarchal structure of relationships that involve subordination in some way.ghoklebutter

Everything evil/dumb can be traced back to greed. So, yesl4dak47

Fixed.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Everything evil/dumb can be traced back to greed. So, yesPhilokalia

Fixed.

I'm sure the state of women throughout history has had nothing to do with A.) Getting pregnant, and B.) Being physically weak.

Religion evolved as way for a select group of people to control everything. Women, money, power, etc. So, yes, religion is greed. l4dak47

Keep talking, you could give David Icke a run for his money.

Women belong in bed.

Im sick and tired of having to deal with their crap every other day.

[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Thats pretty sad that you must compare the region you live into some of the worse religious tyrannical areas in the world to some how make gaza look ok.. GazaAli

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Religion evolved as way for a select group of people to control everything. Women, money, power, etc. So, yes, religion is greed. Philokalia

Keep talking, you could give David Icke a run for his money.

Religion evolved as way for a select group of people to control everything. Women, money, power, etc. So, yes, religion is greed. l4dak47

Human society has evolved as a way for a small group of people to control a larger group of people.

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I don't know how to put it right. The problem is that today's feminism gives some women the wrong impression that they must not compromise at all or else they are letting themselves go. The point is, relationships are all about sacrifices, there can't be a relationship without changing few things in each person in the relationship.themajormayor

I'm going to qoute this in other threads that involved women's reproductive rights, gay marriage, politics, etc.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Religion evolved as way for a select group of people to control everything. Women, money, power, etc. So, yes, religion is greed. Palantas

Human society has evolved as a way for a small group of people to control a larger group of people.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Feminists generally don't oppose compromises in relationships. What they do oppose are patriarchal structure of relationships that involve subordination in some way.

jimkabrhel

I'm going to qoute this in other threads that involved women's reproductive rights, gay marriage, politics, etc.

I'd rather be a David then a crazy fundie like you. His ideas are just as real as yours. l4dak47

You would rather believe in space lizards that control all aspects of humanity? Ooookhay... lol

That being said Christianity in its essence isn't greed. Consider Ignatius of Antioch who had no reason to be a bishop, as it gave no prominence, no power and you were more likely to die. And in fact he did.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] I'd rather be a David then a crazy fundie like you. His ideas are just as real as yours. Philokalia

You would rather believe in space lizards that control all aspects of humanity? Ooookhay... lol

That being said Christianity in its essence isn't greed. Consider Ignatius of Antioch who had no reason to be a bishop, as it gave no prominence, no power and you were more likely to die. And in fact he did.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] I'd rather be a David then a crazy fundie like you. His ideas are just as real as yours. Philokalia

You would rather believe in space lizards that control all aspects of humanity? Ooookhay... lol

That being said Christianity in its essence isn't greed. Consider Ignatius of Antioch who had no reason to be a bishop, as it gave no prominence, no power and you were more likely to die. And in fact he did.

Like if you don't give 10% of everything you have to the Church you go to Hell?Nuck81

I must have missed that in the catechism. Perhaps you can educate me as to what my church teaches. But hey since when are Bahai able to judge?

Like I said. His ideas are just as real as yours. l4dak47

Thats a non sequitur if i've ever seen one.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Strength isn't everything, though. I prefer a soft woman's touch, myself. Quite fond of the fairer sex. But if you swing the other way, who am I to judge? mahlasor

:lol:

Anyway, mahlasor=idiot.

I think the idiot is you, you take one statement to generalise my whole post. So go fvck yourself.

Seems like your jimmies are quite rustled homie.

Not at all.

The reason people (and feminists) view women as "second class citizens" is because of the role they play in society, even the most earlier societies. Women were the ones who would stay behind, gathering food and taking care of the offspring. This is basic biology/anthropology. This way of life existed way before religion came along, and has managed to perservere up until the modern day. Why? Because it works.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Like I said. His ideas are just as real as yours. Philokalia

Thats a non sequitur if i've ever seen one.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Like I said. His ideas are just as real as yours. Philokalia

Thats a non sequitur if i've ever seen one.

Not really. You objected to the idea of his ideas being just as real as yours based on the ridiculousness of his beliefs (based on your interpretation of them), so he did the same to yours.

Not really. You objected to the idea of his ideas being just as real as yours based on the ridiculousness of his beliefs (based on your interpretation of them), so he did the same to yours.

GreySeal9

No I objected to him saying religion at its core is that of greed, deciet and manipulation and he responded with a demotivational poster that has completely nothing to do witht he subject and a statement that has little to do with backing up that original assertion. That being said you won't find many academics who are Ickians but you will find many who are Christian.

] Your whole religion is one, yes. l4dak47

Do you even know what non sequitur is?

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Not really. You objected to the idea of his ideas being just as real as yours based on the ridiculousness of his beliefs (based on your interpretation of them), so he did the same to yours.

Philokalia

No I objected to him saying religion at its core is that of greed, deciet and manipulation and he responded with a demotivational poster that has completely nothing to do witht he subject and a statement that has little to do with backing up that original assertion. That being said you won't find many academics who are Ickians but you will find many who are Christian.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]] Your whole religion is one, yes. Philokalia

Do you even know what non sequitur is?

It is. Also, The poster was in response to you claiming that David's ideas are not as absurd as yours. l4dak47

Appeal to ridicule isn't a good responce. That being said I doubt you could intellectually deal with Christianity other than mocking it baselessly.

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Not really. You objected to the idea of his ideas being just as real as yours based on the ridiculousness of his beliefs (based on your interpretation of them), so he did the same to yours.

Philokalia

No I objected to him saying religion at its core is that of greed, deciet and manipulation and he responded with a demotivational poster that has completely nothing to do witht he subject and a statement that has little to do with backing up that original assertion. That being said you won't find many academics who are Ickians but you will find many who are Christian.

Irrelevant.

But anyway, you laughed off Ickian beliefs based on its ridiculous ideas as interpreted by yourself, so he responded with a motivational poster. So that is not a non-sequitir by any stretch of the imagination. Even if his response had nothing to do with backing up the original assertion, that wouldn't be a non-sequitir. It would be a red herring.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Like if you don't give 10% of everything you have to the Church you go to Hell?Philokalia

I must have missed that in the catechism. Perhaps you can educate me as to what my church teaches. But hey since when are Bahai able to judge?

Appeal to ridicule isn't a good responce. That being said I doubt you could intellectually deal with Christianity other than mocking it baselessly.

Philokalia

Christians are idiots who believe in fairytales. I especially dislike them due to their lack of tolerance and respect for people with different beliefs.