Is there a g@y gene?

The evidence on twins and genetics though says for it to be a gene when twins are involved it should be 100%.

LJS9502_basic

That's not true. Ever heard of nature AND nurture?

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[QUOTE="btaylor2404"] And that's a well thought out, opinion. I know plenty of people who have never even considered being attracted to a member of the opposite sex. That tells me it's ingrained early in life, possibly genetic.BlueBirdTS

That's not likely to happen unless there is some weird mutagen causing this. I mean, how many gay people have children? Probably not many. :P

Pens won by the way.

LJS9502_basic

There must be some sort of genetic thing that moves certain people towards gayness, but it is a choice. Its like how most serial killers are mentaly disabled or psychopaths, but they still have a choice.

People don't make a conscious choice about who they're sexually attracted to. I think homosexuality can be the result of both some psychological trait that you're born with and possibly by experiences early in your life. It's kind of weird talking about a gay gene" though...how would that work? "Oh! you've got the gay gene, just like your dad!" "If dad was gay how did he end up with kids?" *universe implodes*fidosim

It's the gov-ment. :o They force homosexuals to reproduce, thus passing on the gene in an attempt to control the population. That, along with the release of AIDs. :o Bet I just asploded your head, huh? ;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

The evidence on twins and genetics though says for it to be a gene when twins are involved it should be 100%.

BlueBirdTS

That's not true. Ever heard of nature AND nurture?

I personally don't see how it can be anything other than genetic. I'm sure there are the rare cases where it is a choice, whether just to be different, for attention, or maybe they are bi-sexual (if that is truly possible).cametall

I doubt that anyone is completely hetero or homosexual, to be honest. It's just easiest to identify as one of those.

It is definitey not as simple as that.

[QUOTE="cametall"]I personally don't see how it can be anything other than genetic. I'm sure there are the rare cases where it is a choice, whether just to be different, for attention, or maybe they are bi-sexual (if that is truly possible).Dark_Knight6

I doubt that anyone is completely hetero or homosexual, to be honest. It's just easiest to identify as one of those.

Yeah, they adopt instead. But I don't really like the idea of 2 men adopting children... It's really creepy when you think about it. BR1NG3R

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

The evidence on twins and genetics though says for it to be a gene when twins are involved it should be 100%.

LJS9502_basic

That's not true. Ever heard of nature AND nurture?

I meant that one statement you made. Something can be primarily caused by genes and yet not result in 100% identical behavior even among identical twins.

[QUOTE="cametall"]I personally don't see how it can be anything other than genetic. I'm sure there are the rare cases where it is a choice, whether just to be different, for attention, or maybe they are bi-sexual (if that is truly possible).Dark_Knight6

I doubt that anyone is completely hetero or homosexual, to be honest. It's just easiest to identify as one of those.

I don't find any men in the world sexually attractive (although admittedly, I think some look better than others). I find several women to be attractive. How am I not completely heterosexual?

I've always wondered if homosexuality is genetic or a choice.

dog64

Uh, neither one?

I do not get how anyone can be so dense as to think it's a choice, that just makes such little sense it gives me a headache. One cannot choose what sexually arouses them.

I don't personally believe it's biological, I believe it's a characteristic of the individual human mind just like all of sexuality. Some prefer blonde hair, a fit physique or a chubby one, some prefer objects, some prefer transexuals, some prefer seeing somebody smoke, some prefer CORPSES. There is NOT an individual gene for every minute aspect behind the individual psychology of every person. Why oh why does homosexuality cause a veritable hurricane of questions, when there are far more bizarre sexual preferences the human mind can develope? I say develope, because although traces of ones sexual preferences can surface at a young age, ultimately ones sexual identity does not fully develope until after puberty.

All homosexuality, bisexuality, heterosexuality are... are simple preferences based on the individual, like preferring Rock over Jazz, or Classical over Blues. Sushi over ice cream, driving a motorcycle over a car, wanting to paint instead of play guitar, wanting to go camping instead of going to the beach. The countless trillions of preferences we all have, no matter how small, are all technically the same thing; nothing more than what each unique mind likes. That's all I believe any sexuality or fetish to be. I don't understand how anybody can think differently. It seems like a no brainer to me.

[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"]Yeah, they adopt instead. But I don't really like the idea of 2 men adopting children... It's really creepy when you think about it. SkylinePigeon

That is an extremely good point. I hadn't thought of it that way. I guess it would be better than having no family. Though I'm sure it would be better to have a normal family, better for the children mentally probably.

[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"]Yeah, they adopt instead. But I don't really like the idea of 2 men adopting children... It's really creepy when you think about it. SkylinePigeon

Agreed. Just because you have gay parents doesn't mean you're going to turn out weird or become gay yourself. In fact, studies show that children raised with gay parents have the same incidence of homosexuality as children raised in traditional families.

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[QUOTE="cametall"]I personally don't see how it can be anything other than genetic. I'm sure there are the rare cases where it is a choice, whether just to be different, for attention, or maybe they are bi-sexual (if that is truly possible).LJS9502_basic

I doubt that anyone is completely hetero or homosexual, to be honest. It's just easiest to identify as one of those.

I guess you could say that. :P That being said, I don't identify as bisexual because, to he honest, women and ****ing crazy and I'm only rarely attracted to them. :P

I meant that one statement you made. Something can be primarily caused by genes and yet not result in 100% identical behavior even among identical twins.

BlueBirdTS

Most theories suggest that homosexuality is biological.

I think the most common one involves a hormone bath of the egg at the incorrect stage of development.

Most gay people will tell you that they did not choose to be gay Who would really? Who would want to be rediculed and judged their entire lives.

I don't find any men in the world sexually attractive (although admittedly, I think some look better than others). I find several women to be attractive. How am I not completely heterosexual?

BlueBirdTS

You've never found another man, even in the slightest, tiniest way, attractive?

[QUOTE="dog64"]

I've always wondered if homosexuality is genetic or a choice.

dhyce

I say develope, because although traces of ones sexual preferences can surface at a young age, ultimately ones sexual identity does not fully develope until after puberty.

I beg to differ. I was attracted to girls many years before puberty. Maybe I'm just a weird case.

[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

I don't find any men in the world sexually attractive (although admittedly, I think some look better than others). I find several women to be attractive. How am I not completely heterosexual?

Dark_Knight6

You've never found another man, even in the slightest, tiniest way, attractive?

Eh, not really. Although I could see how I would if I was a woman so...yeah, maybe you have a point.

Most theories suggest that homosexuality is biological.

I think the most common one involves a hormone bath of the egg at the incorrect stage of development.

Most gay people will tell you that they did not choose to be gay Who would really? Who would want to be rediculed and judged their entire lives.

FlyingArmbar

There's also the little matter of it being impossible to choose what sexually arouses you.

[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

I don't find any men in the world sexually attractive (although admittedly, I think some look better than others). I find several women to be attractive. How am I not completely heterosexual?

Dark_Knight6

You've never found another man, even in the slightest, tiniest way, attractive?

Yeah, come on. Denzel? Every man's got a special little place in their heart for Denzel..

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[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

I don't find any men in the world sexually attractive (although admittedly, I think some look better than others). I find several women to be attractive. How am I not completely heterosexual?

BlueBirdTS

You've never found another man, even in the slightest, tiniest way, attractive?

Eh, not really. Although I could see how I would if I was a woman so...yeah, maybe you have a point.

I beg to differ. I was attracted to girls many years before puberty. Maybe I'm just a weird case.

BlueBirdTS

I'm the same way, actually. I never had any interest in boys my entire life. I'm just saying that generally speaking, sexual identity does not fully develope until after puberty. And aside from my homosexuality, other preferences of mine did not fully surface or make sense until after puberty.

Eh, not really. Although I could see how I would if I was a woman so...yeah, maybe you have a point.

BlueBirdTS

Yeah, I'm not saying it's a 50/50 thing or anything like that. The attraction can be so small and insignificant that there would really be no point in identifying as bisexual.

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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

You've never found another man, even in the slightest, tiniest way, attractive?

LJS9502_basic

Eh, not really. Although I could see how I would if I was a woman so...yeah, maybe you have a point.

Probably because it's not logical. :P

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I beg to differ. I was attracted to girls many years before puberty. Maybe I'm just a weird case.

dhyce

I'm the same way, actually. I never had any interest in boys my entire life. I'm just saying that generally speaking, sexual identity does not fully develope until after puberty. And aside from my homosexuality, other preferences of mine did not fully surface or make sense until after puberty.

[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

I beg to differ. I was attracted to girls many years before puberty. Maybe I'm just a weird case.

dhyce

I'm the same way, actually. I never had any interest in boys my entire life. I'm just saying that generally speaking, sexual identity does not fully develope until after puberty. And aside from my homosexuality, other preferences of mine did not fully surface or make sense until after puberty.

Okay, point taken.

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[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

I beg to differ. I was attracted to girls many years before puberty. Maybe I'm just a weird case.

LJS9502_basic

I'm the same way, actually. I never had any interest in boys my entire life. I'm just saying that generally speaking, sexual identity does not fully develope until after puberty. And aside from my homosexuality, other preferences of mine did not fully surface or make sense until after puberty.

I always remember liking girls, even when i was three, I remember wanting to kiss my baby sitter really bad.

PS. Dark_Knight--R.E.M. is still totally rad.SkylinePigeon

PS. Dark_Knight--R.E.M. is still totally rad.SkylinePigeon

I agree but where did that come from? :P

i use to think of it as, there is no such thing as gay and straight there is no black and white, only grey areas when i comes to sexuality, and that your environment and culture makes you the way you are, psychologically speaking, that what i thought when i was at school, im not sure anymore, but im sure the answer doesnt lie in genes.

I don't agree. I think it forms before puberty but it's not a driving force. But one certainly knows what attracts them.

LJS9502_basic

The formation of ones preferences is a completely different story than the surfacing and acceptance of them. I agree completely ones sexual preferences begin to develope far before puberty. Only after does the mind completely grasp who they are sexually. And even then it can be hazy for a while.

[QUOTE="SkylinePigeon"]PS. Dark_Knight--R.E.M. is still totally rad.Dark_Knight6

I agree but where did that come from? :P

LJS--Automatic is my fave. :)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I don't agree. I think it forms before puberty but it's not a driving force. But one certainly knows what attracts them.

dhyce

The formation of ones preferences is a completely different story than the surfacing and acceptance of them. I agree completely ones sexual preferences begin to develope far before puberty. Only after does the mind completely grasp who they are sexually. And even then it can be hazy for a while.

Possibly, but for me that wasn't the case. I don't ever remember wondering who I was attracted to (I just knew), nor do I ever recall having sexual feeling for males.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I don't agree. I think it forms before puberty but it's not a driving force. But one certainly knows what attracts them.

dhyce

The formation of ones preferences is a completely different story than the surfacing and acceptance of them. I agree completely ones sexual preferences begin to develope far before puberty. Only after does the mind completely grasp who they are sexually. And even then it can be hazy for a while.

Me not being able to read and for some reason thinking you called out R.E.M. in that other thread. :lol: Haha sorry.

LJS--Automatic is my fave. :)

SkylinePigeon

It's all good. :P

[QUOTE="SkylinePigeon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Murmur was their best album......that was long ago. Never matched it.

Dark_Knight6

I'm pretty sure I didn't. :P I don't have anything to call R.E.M. out on. :P

Sorry for derailing this thread and breaking the TOS. :) Don't tell the mods!!

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[QUOTE="SkylinePigeon"] Automatic is my favorite, but Accelerate last year was really good... Dark Knight was the one that called them out in that thread though. :P SkylinePigeon

I'm pretty sure I didn't. :P I don't have anything to call R.E.M. out on. :P

I think its a choice of the person, and a product of the enviroment the person is around. And isn't it like a law or something that animals always try to reproduce? seems like it would go against that almost directly

but if it were found to be a gene, wouldn't that open the field to a alot of other things? like a gene that makes people want to have sex with animals, or kill people, etc. just doesn't seem realistic tbh

then again i could be totally wrong, but meh, my opinion

Well I always accepted mine.:D

LJS9502_basic

Lucky. :x Then again, you're missing out. :P

I think its a choice of the person, and a product of the enviroment the person is around. And isn't it like a law or something that animals always try to reproduce? seems like it would go against that almost directly

but if it were found to be a gene, wouldn't that open the field to a alot of other things? like a gene that makes people want to have sex with animals, or kill people, etc. just doesn't seem realistic tbh

then again i could be totally wrong, but meh, my opinion

Vashn

It's multivariant and current theory dictates that no gene even exists.

The fact hair-twirl and handedness are associated points to genetic manipulation very early in development that affects the central nervous system. However, it is also very much environmental, because increasing birth order in a family full of brothers raises the chances of homosexuality significantly leading to a likely maternal factor, as well. Whether it be hormonal or immune (antibody-mediated).

However, I do not see place for a problem with "nurture" and early childhood and adolescent emotional and sexual development. Everything that needs to happen seems to happen before birth.

like a gene that makes people want to have sex with animals, or kill people,

Vashn

I envy your innocence.