Is there a g@y gene?

I believe it is a choice. From experience of hanging around two g@y people, I have concluded this knowledge. One of my friends was strait until a couple months ago when he decided to become bi. He says its fun to swing both ways. The other one was strait for a long time until he decided he was g@y, Honestly we may never know.

Hungry_Jello

They were both already bi and gay No one just changes their sexuality on a whim.

No. There can be some crazy reasons to explain why someone might be gay but the DNA itself has nothing to do with it.

Steel-Panther

I believe it is a choice. From experience of hanging around two g@y people, I have concluded this knowledge. One of my friends was strait until a couple months ago when he decided to become bi. He says its fun to swing both ways. The other one was strait for a long time until he decided he was g@y, Honestly we may never know.

Hungry_Jello

Not a choice but definately not a gene. More likely developed at young ages by influences. Probably from exposure to gay uncles. the Jonas brothers, Dr. Phil...

we're still trying to figure out whether its genetic or psychological

either way it doesn't affect me

but if it is genetic - theres a good case for the pedos

BobSacamento

There's no dispute, it's pretty evident at this point that there's a biological basis for homosexuality. And yes, there's evidence to also suggest that pedophilia has a biological cause as well. Same goes for all other abnormal sexual interests. If society was willing to pour money into paraphilia research we could probably come up with a decent treatment for pedophilia and other illegal paraphilias within the next 20 years.

[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

we're still trying to figure out whether its genetic or psychological

either way it doesn't affect me

but if it is genetic - theres a good case for the pedos

gameguy6700

There's no dispute, it's pretty evident at this point that there's a biological basis for homosexuality. And yes, there's evidence to also suggest that pedophilia has a biological cause as well. Same goes for all other abnormal sexual interests. If society was willing to pour money into paraphilia research we could probably come up with a decent treatment for pedophilia and other illegal paraphilias within the next 20 years.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. Are all fetishes of biological origin? I doubt it, but who knows...

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

I believe it is a choice. From experience of hanging around two g@y people, I have concluded this knowledge. One of my friends was strait until a couple months ago when he decided to become bi. He says its fun to swing both ways. The other one was strait for a long time until he decided he was g@y, Honestly we may never know.

dog64

Do you think it's possible that they may of been bi and gay to begin with?

But he didnt like guys before. Why should I assume he would lie over something so trivial? He's not an attention hog.

But he didnt like guys before. Why should I assume he would lie over something so trivial? He's not an attention hog.

Hungry_Jello

You don't think that he may have been afraid of admitting his sexuality?

I believe it is a choice. From experience of hanging around two g@y people, I have concluded this knowledge. One of my friends was strait until a couple months ago when he decided to become bi. He says its fun to swing both ways. The other one was strait for a long time until he decided he was g@y, Honestly we may never know.

Hungry_Jello

[QUOTE="dog64"]

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

I believe it is a choice. From experience of hanging around two g@y people, I have concluded this knowledge. One of my friends was strait until a couple months ago when he decided to become bi. He says its fun to swing both ways. The other one was strait for a long time until he decided he was g@y, Honestly we may never know.

Hungry_Jello

Do you think it's possible that they may of been bi and gay to begin with?

But he didnt like guys before. Why should I assume he would lie over something so trivial? He's not an attention hog.

On topic...

No I dont know what it is...

I just know its not a choice.

Also I get frightened in the idea that the reason behind this may be an effort to prove that homosexuality is a disease able to be removed before birth in order to produce "better humans" rather than fix a society with idiotic taboos.

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

But he didnt like guys before. Why should I assume he would lie over something so trivial? He's not an attention hog.

Dark_Knight6

You don't think that he may have been afraid of admitting his sexuality?

Interesting question... I guess I've always believed it's a choice.

On topic...

No I dont know what it is...

I just know its not a choice.

Also I get frightened in the idea that the reason behind this may be an effort to prove that homosexuality is a disease able to be removed before birth in order to produce "better humans" rather than fix a society with idiotic taboos.

Teenaged

I think it's actually quite the opposite, trying to prove that homosexuality is not some "choice", but something that is biologically ingrained into you. This means that homosexuals should receive more civil rights support.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

On topic...

No I dont know what it is...

I just know its not a choice.

Also I get frightened in the idea that the reason behind this may be an effort to prove that homosexuality is a disease able to be removed before birth in order to produce "better humans" rather than fix a society with idiotic taboos.

BlueBirdTS

I think it's actually quite the opposite, trying to prove that homosexuality is not some "choice", but something that is biologically ingrained into you. This means that homosexuals should receive more civil rights support.

I mean I dont know how paranoid that sounds but I know a lot of people who would suggest treatment to homosexuals even now that it is not yet proven 100% to be a factor beyond the homosexual person's control.

If there was a "cure" for homosexuality, I think most homosexuals would take it >_>Famiking

And dont think it sounds stupid to some people to find a cure for it. It does sound stupid to me and you perhaps, but not to everyone.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]If there was a "cure" for homosexuality, I think most homosexuals would take it >_>Teenaged

And dont think it sounds stupid to some people to find a cure for it. It does sound stupid to me and you perhaps, but not to everyone.

If there was a "cure" for homosexuality, I think most homosexuals would take it >_>Famiking

I surely wouldn't, at this point. I'd feel like a piece of me is missing.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"]If there was a "cure" for homosexuality, I think most homosexuals would take it >_>Famiking

And dont think it sounds stupid to some people to find a cure for it. It does sound stupid to me and you perhaps, but not to everyone.

Anyway I just find it absurd to try to fix the problem that way instead of trying to fix society and its taboos and no-no's.

Admittedly its the easiest way to try and remove the thing that is causing numerous icky feelings to many people than educating them on it.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

we're still trying to figure out whether its genetic or psychological

either way it doesn't affect me

but if it is genetic - theres a good case for the pedos

BlueBirdTS

There's no dispute, it's pretty evident at this point that there's a biological basis for homosexuality. And yes, there's evidence to also suggest that pedophilia has a biological cause as well. Same goes for all other abnormal sexual interests. If society was willing to pour money into paraphilia research we could probably come up with a decent treatment for pedophilia and other illegal paraphilias within the next 20 years.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. Are all fetishes of biological origin? I doubt it, but who knows...

Considering that nearly all paraphilias have a massive discrepancy in prevalence rates among men and women (9:1 or 10:1 male:female ratios) I'd say there's a pretty damn good chance you're looking at something biological there. Indeed, the only paraphilia I'm aware of in which there is a decently balanced male:female ratio is BDSM but even then males still outnumber females. There's also been some research that hints at a genetic factor. And we also find that paraphilias tend to be comorbid with certain mental and neurological disorders such as autism and OCD. And I've personally read a couple case studies that described how parkinson's syndrome patients suddenly developed paraphilias after being placed on medication. For example, a 70 year old man suddenly found himself sexually aroused by crossdressing despite having never had a fetish in his life. This kept up for three years until the medication was stopped at which point his sexual interests returned to normal. It's evidence such as this which suggests a biological cause for paraphilias.

Chances are biology only predisposes a person to developing a fetish. It's environmental factors that ultimately decide whether or not a person develops a fetish and the fetish that develops. Chances are also good that there are multiple causes for different paraphilias. I personally doubt that pedophilia and masochism are caused by the same abnormality for example.

If there was a "cure" for homosexuality, I think most homosexuals would take it >_>Famiking

[QUOTE="Famiking"]If there was a "cure" for homosexuality, I think most homosexuals would take it >_>TheFlush

[QUOTE="TheFlush"][QUOTE="Famiking"]If there was a "cure" for homosexuality, I think most homosexuals would take it >_>Teenaged

[QUOTE="TheFlush"][QUOTE="Famiking"]If there was a "cure" for homosexuality, I think most homosexuals would take it >_>Teenaged

To let you understand how incredibly wrong what you just said is, allow me to rephrase that from my point of view:

As an asexual I think the only reason a straight person will want to change to asexuality (which as we all know is the morally superior sexual orientation, one need look no farther than the Bible for proof) is not because he/she doesn't like what he/she is, but because of what others think about it.

Well im bisexual...sort of on the verge of lesbian :| anyway my friend came up to me and sed that scientists have aparently "discovered" that its a "disease" :? that gay men have something in their brain thats bigger or smaller (cant remeber) than a straight male and vice verse with females or something like that

This is a load a crap tbh, its a choice I have made. If the brain thing was true then I would have been gay all my life surely, but I havnt. If people are attracted to other people of the same sex then thats that. I dont see why anything has to proved about it, its just human emotion imo, I dont see why other people have to over complicate it :(

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="TheFlush"] I don't think so. I'm a homosexual and I wouldn't want to change, my boyfriend and I are together for 10 years now and there's nothing on this earth that can keep us apart. Furthermore, the society I live in is very liberal (living in The Netherlands) and my complete surroundings support me, so there's no need to change. I am perfectly happy with who I am and I'm functioning quite well, there's no pressure from my surroundings so I'll think I'd pass the offer ;)gameguy6700

To let you understand how incredibly wrong what you just said is, allow me to rephrase that from my point of view:

As an asexual I think the only reason a straight person will want to change to asexuality (which as we all know is the morally superior sexual orientation, one need look no farther than the Bible for proof) is not because he/she doesn't like what he/she is, but because of what others think about it.

[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

On topic...

No I dont know what it is...

I just know its not a choice.

Also I get frightened in the idea that the reason behind this may be an effort to prove that homosexuality is a disease able to be removed before birth in order to produce "better humans" rather than fix a society with idiotic taboos.

Teenaged

I think it's actually quite the opposite, trying to prove that homosexuality is not some "choice", but something that is biologically ingrained into you. This means that homosexuals should receive more civil rights support.

I mean I dont know how paranoid that sounds but I know a lot of people who would suggest treatment to homosexuals even now that it is not yet proven 100% to be a factor beyond the homosexual person's control.

What do you mean "cure" :evil: its not a disease, its not a terrible thing, its not exacly hurting anyone :cry: its how you feel towards another person which just happens to be the same sex.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

I think it's actually quite the opposite, trying to prove that homosexuality is not some "choice", but something that is biologically ingrained into you. This means that homosexuals should receive more civil rights support.

AudioPrison

I mean I dont know how paranoid that sounds but I know a lot of people who would suggest treatment to homosexuals even now that it is not yet proven 100% to be a factor beyond the homosexual person's control.

What do you mean "cure" :evil: its not a disease, its not a terrible thing, its not exacly hurting anyone :cry: its how you feel towards another person with just happens to be the same sex.

I do not share that view. I was just deploying it in clarification to the other person. :P

See my other posts to see what my opinion is.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Exactly! The only reason why I think a homosexual will want to change is not because he/she doesnt like what he/she is, but because of what others think about this.

Teenaged

To let you understand how incredibly wrong what you just said is, allow me to rephrase that from my point of view:

As an asexual I think the only reason a straight person will want to change to asexuality (which as we all know is the morally superior sexual orientation, one need look no farther than the Bible for proof) is not because he/she doesn't like what he/she is, but because of what others think about it.

No. I can assure you that a gay man no less chose to be homosexual than I chose to be asexual or you chose to be straight. Which is to say that none of us ever had a choice. You suddenly started liking girls sometime between 4th and 6th grade, he suddenly started liking boys during the same time span, and I never did develop any new, special feelings towards either sex.

I believe it is a choice. From experience of hanging around two g@y people, I have concluded this knowledge. One of my friends was strait until a couple months ago when he decided to become bi. He says its fun to swing both ways. The other one was strait for a long time until he decided he was g@y, Honestly we may never know.

Hungry_Jello

I don't think people choose to be gay :S

[QUOTE="AudioPrison"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Dont you think though that the ultimate goal is to find the cause so that they might be able to remove it before birth or find a "cure"?

I mean I dont know how paranoid that sounds but I know a lot of people who would suggest treatment to homosexuals even now that it is not yet proven 100% to be a factor beyond the homosexual person's control.

Teenaged

What do you mean "cure" :evil: its not a disease, its not a terrible thing, its not exacly hurting anyone :cry: its how you feel towards another person with just happens to be the same sex.

I do not share that view. I was just deploying it in clarification to the other person. :P

See my other posts to see what my opinion is.

I thought you were being offensive, i got angry lol.

But still I really dont know whypeople have to prove it as something other than simple emotion - certain feelings for someone that just happens to be of the same sex. Why does there HAVE to be a scientific explenation?

Theres this gay kid in my class, and in 5th grade he was bi before telling everyone he was gay Someone told me his background story, and why he is suppobsly gay This person told me that when he was younger, he was raped by his uncle and that's why he became gay There is another kid who sort of shares the same story. I'm going to make up names her so it's easier to tell. My friend katie told me that this kids dad, his name will be Bob, his dad would tell him he was gay and such. Now, I think he's bi? Well, my point, I think there could be a gene, and there might not be. Some people might just been effected at a young age that caused them to be the way they are.

Well im bisexual...sort of on the verge of lesbian :| anyway my friend came up to me and sed that scientists have aparently "discovered" that its a "disease" :? that gay men have something in their brain thats bigger or smaller (cant remeber) than a straight male and vice verse with females or something like that

This is a load a crap tbh, its a choice I have made. If the brain thing was true then I would have been gay all my life surely, but I havnt. If people are attracted to other people of the same sex then thats that. I dont see why anything has to proved about it, its just human emotion imo, I dont see why other people have to over complicate it :(

AudioPrison

You believe that it's a choice? Well, I can really see it being a choice, or biological. As I mentioned in another post, people have different opinions on who they're attracted to. You may have one boy who finds a girl attractive, and another boy who doesn't find the same girl attractive, or as attractive. Now, opinions can change, so that leaves the possibility of a person changing his opinion of sexual attraction to the same sex. Just a thought though.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

To let you understand how incredibly wrong what you just said is, allow me to rephrase that from my point of view:

As an asexual I think the only reason a straight person will want to change to asexuality (which as we all know is the morally superior sexual orientation, one need look no farther than the Bible for proof) is not because he/she doesn't like what he/she is, but because of what others think about it.

gameguy6700

No. I can assure you that a gay man no less chose to be homosexual than I chose to be asexual or you chose to be straight. Which is to say that none of us ever had a choice. You suddenly started liking girls sometime between 4th and 6th grade, he suddenly started liking boys during the same time span, and I never did develop any new, special feelings towards either sex.

I dont see where we disagree. :? Can you elaborate please because I lost your point, sorry. :P Much appreciated if you will, I just lost trac and need a clarification if you will. :)

Theres this gay kid in my class, and in 5th grade he was bi before telling everyone he was gay Someone told me his background story, and why he is suppobsly gay This person told me that when he was younger, he was raped by his uncle and that's why he became gay There is another kid who sort of shares the same story. I'm going to make up names her so it's easier to tell. My friend katie told me that this kids dad, his name will be Bob, his dad would tell him he was gay and such. Now, I think he's bi? Well, my point, I think there could be a gene, and there might not be. Some people might just been effected at a young age that caused them to be the way they are.

acidicadis

There have been studies on this and it's found that homosexuals/bisexuals are no more likely to be sexually abused than heterosexuals.

[QUOTE="acidicadis"]

Theres this gay kid in my class, and in 5th grade he was bi before telling everyone he was gay Someone told me his background story, and why he is suppobsly gay This person told me that when he was younger, he was raped by his uncle and that's why he became gay There is another kid who sort of shares the same story. I'm going to make up names her so it's easier to tell. My friend katie told me that this kids dad, his name will be Bob, his dad would tell him he was gay and such. Now, I think he's bi? Well, my point, I think there could be a gene, and there might not be. Some people might just been effected at a young age that caused them to be the way they are.

metroidfood

There have been studies on this and it's found that homosexuals/bisexuals are no more likely to be sexually abused than heterosexuals.

I dont' understand what you're saying here? I was saying that before his uncle raped him, he was straight but after he turned gay I don't know if it's true or not, I'm just saying thats what I heard.

I dont' understand what you're saying here? I was saying that before his uncle raped him, he was straight but after he turned gay I don't know if it's true or not, I'm just saying thats what I heard.

acidicadis

I'm saying that there has been no substantial proof of that kind of thing happening.

It's likely just rampant rumoring.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Um I admit I dont know what happens in all sexual transitions but cant the cases here be different?

Teenaged

No. I can assure you that a gay man no less chose to be homosexual than I chose to be asexual or you chose to be straight. Which is to say that none of us ever had a choice. You suddenly started liking girls sometime between 4th and 6th grade, he suddenly started liking boys during the same time span, and I never did develop any new, special feelings towards either sex.

I dont see where we disagree. :? Can you elaborate please because I lost your point, sorry. :P Much appreciated if you will, I just lost trac and need a clarification if you will. :)

It seemed from your first post that you were implying that people can choose to be either homosexual or heterosexual. Was I mistaken?

Anyway, I agree that the causes are different, yes.

It's not a gene, it's a little thing called "love"angusclone2

Which is caused by what? Magical feelings in your heart?

[QUOTE="angusclone2"]It's not a gene, it's a little thing called "love"BlueBirdTS

Which is caused by what? Magical feelings in your heart?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

No. I can assure you that a gay man no less chose to be homosexual than I chose to be asexual or you chose to be straight. Which is to say that none of us ever had a choice. You suddenly started liking girls sometime between 4th and 6th grade, he suddenly started liking boys during the same time span, and I never did develop any new, special feelings towards either sex.

gameguy6700

I dont see where we disagree. :? Can you elaborate please because I lost your point, sorry. :P Much appreciated if you will, I just lost trac and need a clarification if you will. :)

It seemed from your first post that you were implying that people can choose to be either homosexual or heterosexual. Was I mistaken?

Anyway, I agree that the causes are different, yes.

Then we agree! :D

[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

[QUOTE="angusclone2"]It's not a gene, it's a little thing called "love"angusclone2

Which is caused by what? Magical feelings in your heart?

Take a look at this:

Psychology is just a sub-branch of biology in a way.