Is your sexuality just like any other choice?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"] Nowhere in that verse does it say anything about fornication - it simply says, like you stated "Participating in homosexuality"... which, to be clear, is a romantic/sexual attraction/behavior of the same sex, not just fornicating with the same sex.Thuganomic05

What now?

We still havent established if the translation you gave is the correct one. The word of the original text is arsenokoitai and, unless you're aware of some special meaning of the word, it literally translates to "those who bed with men". That clearly refers to homosexual acts, not just homosexual feelings.

That's what homosexuality is, "A person who is sexually attracted to the same sex." Homosexuality isn't (just) having sex with someone of the same sex...

Where did I say homosexuality is just having sex with someone of the same sex. I suggest reading the posts you reply to twice.

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I've actually heard from Bible-nerds here that it is actually impossible to notsin.

Oh I love it when Bible-nerds disagree with each other. It makes one so confident that Christianity is the right religion.

Teenaged

You claimed that gay people cant go to heaven because being gay is like a perpetual sin, for which someone should have to ask for forgiveness all the time. Which seems incompatible (to you) with being a Christian.

However since everyone sins and all the time, including Christians, you argument doesnt make sense.

Actually what I said is gays can't be Christians - due to, like you said, homosexuality being a perpetual sin. A homosexual can be baptized, just as an alcoholic, murder, etc. but if they don't change their lifestyle - then their prayers fall on deaf ears..

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]It doesnt say it refers to the romantic/sexual attraction towards the same sex, either.

What now?

We still havent established if the translation you gave is the correct one. The word of the original text is arsenokoitai and, unless you're aware of some special meaning of the word, it literally translates to "those who bed with men". That clearly refers to homosexual acts, not just homosexual feelings.

Teenaged

That's what homosexuality is, "A person who is sexually attracted to the same sex." Homosexuality isn't (just) having sex with someone of the same sex...

Where did I say homosexuality is just having sex with someone of the same sex. I suggest reading the posts you reply to twice.

Let's not be foolishly ignorant when debating... check bold, above.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"] That's right - everybody sins, but I don't see the relevance of that in this discussion..Thuganomic05

You claimed that gay people cant go to heaven because being gay is like a perpetual sin, for which someone should have to ask for forgiveness all the time. Which seems incompatible (to you) with being a Christian.

However since everyone sins and all the time, including Christians, you argument doesnt make sense.

Actually what I said is gays can't be Christians - due to, like you said, homosexuality being a perpetual sin. A homosexual can be baptized, just as an alcoholic, murder, etc. but if they don't change their lifestyle - then their prayers fall on deaf ears..

What ever happened to "he without sin shall cast the first stone" or Do not judge so that you will not be judged"

You homophobia and self righteousness is a sin, therefore by your logic you are automatically doomed to hell.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"] That's right - everybody sins, but I don't see the relevance of that in this discussion..Thuganomic05

You claimed that gay people cant go to heaven because being gay is like a perpetual sin, for which someone should have to ask for forgiveness all the time. Which seems incompatible (to you) with being a Christian.

However since everyone sins and all the time, including Christians, you argument doesnt make sense.

Actually what I said is gays can't be Christians - due to, like you said, homosexuality being a perpetual sin. A homosexual can be baptized, just as an alcoholic, murder, etc. but if they don't change their lifestyle - then their prayers fall on deaf ears..

So what you said earlier is false. Being baptised is not a guarantee for Heaven afterall.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

That's what homosexuality is, "A person who is sexually attracted to the same sex." Homosexuality isn't (just) having sex with someone of the same sex...

Thuganomic05

Where did I say homosexuality is just having sex with someone of the same sex. I suggest reading the posts you reply to twice.

Let's not be foolishly ignorant when debating... check bold, above.

How does the bolded part show that I said homosexuality is only when you have sex with someone of the same sex?

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

You claimed that gay people cant go to heaven because being gay is like a perpetual sin, for which someone should have to ask for forgiveness all the time. Which seems incompatible (to you) with being a Christian.

However since everyone sins and all the time, including Christians, you argument doesnt make sense.

toast_burner

Actually what I said is gays can't be Christians - due to, like you said, homosexuality being a perpetual sin. A homosexual can be baptized, just as an alcoholic, murder, etc. but if they don't change their lifestyle - then their prayers fall on deaf ears..

What ever happened to "he without sin shall cast the first stone" or Do not judge so that you will not be judged"

You homophobia and self righteousness is a sin, therefore by your logic you are automatically doomed to hell.

I never judged anyone - I simply quoted the Bible. And for that I give you,

1. Isaiah 1:17 (KJV)

"Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed,judgethe fatherless, plead for the widow."

and...

2. John 7:24 (KJV)

"Judgenot according to the appearance, butjudgerighteous judgment."

I'm no homophobe, nor self-righteous.

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

You claimed that gay people cant go to heaven because being gay is like a perpetual sin, for which someone should have to ask for forgiveness all the time. Which seems incompatible (to you) with being a Christian.

However since everyone sins and all the time, including Christians, you argument doesnt make sense.

Teenaged

Actually what I said is gays can't be Christians - due to, like you said, homosexuality being a perpetual sin. A homosexual can be baptized, just as an alcoholic, murder, etc. but if they don't change their lifestyle - then their prayers fall on deaf ears..

So what you said earlier is false. Being baptised is not a guarantee for Heaven afterall.

God does not answer the prayers of those who have not been washed free of their sins via baptism... as a Christian God listens to me, and forgives me for my sins - because I'm a baptized Christian. As for those "unbelivers" or "sinners" (when I say "sinners" I'm referring to those that have not been baptized) their prayers fall on deaf ears.

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Are you trying to outdo TC in stupidity?

Where did I say homosexuality is just having sex with someone of the same sex. I suggest reading the posts you reply to twice.

Teenaged

Let's not be foolishly ignorant when debating... check bold, above.

How does the bolded part show that I said homosexuality is only when you have sex with someone of the same sex?

My bad.. I see that you said, "That clearly refers to homosexual acts, not just homosexual feelings."

So I don't see why you're still continuing, debating - since I pretty much proved that verse isn't just related to homosexual acts.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Actually what I said is gays can't be Christians - due to, like you said, homosexuality being a perpetual sin. A homosexual can be baptized, just as an alcoholic, murder, etc. but if they don't change their lifestyle - then their prayers fall on deaf ears..

Thuganomic05

So what you said earlier is false. Being baptised is not a guarantee for Heaven afterall.

God does not answer the prayers of those who have not been washed free of their sins via baptism... as a Christian God listens to me, and forgives me for my sins - because I'm a baptized Christian. As for those "unbelivers" or "sinners" (when I say "sinners" I'm referring to those that have not been baptized) their prayers fall on deaf ears.

My take is that you take yourself as someone who knows the Bible -while you dont-, you throw around a bit of wisdom you gathered from it and once that wisdom is invalidated you improvise as you go, invalidating previous statements without aknolwedging that you're actually changing what you are saying. I always found it horrible for someone that tries to give off the impression that they respect their faith and religion, to treat their holy text with such incosistency and insincerety.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Let's not be foolishly ignorant when debating... check bold, above.

Thuganomic05

How does the bolded part show that I said homosexuality is only when you have sex with someone of the same sex?

My bad.. I see that you said, "That clearly refers to homosexual acts, not just homosexual feelings."

So I don't see why you're still continuing, debating - since I pretty much proved that verse isn't just related to homosexual acts.

What ever happened to "he without sin shall cast the first stone" or Do not judge so that you will not be judged"

You homophobia and self righteousness is a sin, therefore by your logic you are automatically doomed to hell.

toast_burner

You see, sh!tty posts like yours are exactly what make these debates such a pain to read.

He never said anything homophobic, not even in his tone. How come the fact that he is *explaining* (not even arguing) something that isn't 100% pro-homosexuals is enough to call him a homophobe? Can't you see you're doing exactly what you're criticizing him for?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

What ever happened to "he without sin shall cast the first stone" or Do not judge so that you will not be judged"

You homophobia and self righteousness is a sin, therefore by your logic you are automatically doomed to hell.

N30F3N1X

You see, sh!tty posts like yours are exactly what make these debates such a pain to read.

He never said anything homophobic, not even in his tone. How come the fact that he is *explaining* (not even arguing) something that isn't 100% pro-homosexuals is enough to call him a homophobe? Can't you see you're doing exactly what you're criticizing him for?

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

What ever happened to "he without sin shall cast the first stone" or Do not judge so that you will not be judged"

You homophobia and self righteousness is a sin, therefore by your logic you are automatically doomed to hell.

toast_burner

You see, sh!tty posts like yours are exactly what make these debates such a pain to read.

He never said anything homophobic, not even in his tone. How come the fact that he is *explaining* (not even arguing) something that isn't 100% pro-homosexuals is enough to call him a homophobe? Can't you see you're doing exactly what you're criticizing him for?

They just like to feel that they are defending the word of God and that resulting from that, a special seat in heaven will be reserved for them. All of that must be very subconscious of course, so, if true, I wouldnt expect anyone of them to admit it.

Yet nobody can prove that every choice you make cant be traced back genetics.

slipknot0129

This is false. I've already explained why twice. I'm not going to do it again because you are too much of a f*cking moron to get it.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"] That's right - everybody sins, but I don't see the relevance of that in this discussion..Thuganomic05

You claimed that gay people cant go to heaven because being gay is like a perpetual sin, for which someone should have to ask for forgiveness all the time. Which seems incompatible (to you) with being a Christian.

However since everyone sins and all the time, including Christians, you argument doesnt make sense.

Actually what I said is gays can't be Christians - due to, like you said, homosexuality being a perpetual sin. A homosexual can be baptized, just as an alcoholic, murder, etc. but if they don't change their lifestyle - then their prayers fall on deaf ears..

so the same could be said for fat people, liars, jealous people, people with anger issues, anyone who looks at porn, anyone who has lustful thoughts, the rich, poor people that want to be rich, addicts of any sort, lazy people, pretty much anyone that isn't jesus. So all prayers fall on deaf ears (including yours unless you claim to be as rightous as Jesus) you heathen bastard. Don't lie and say you don't sin daily (because that would be a sin) EVERYONE is a perpetual sinner. If you think gays are any worse than you because of that particular sin then that makes you a judger. What does the bible say about people that judge? (I've give you a hint, it's in Romans chapter 2)

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

Actually what I said is gays can't be Christians - due to, like you said, homosexuality being a perpetual sin. A homosexual can be baptized, just as an alcoholic, murder, etc. but if they don't change their lifestyle - then their prayers fall on deaf ears..

Thuganomic05

So what you said earlier is false. Being baptised is not a guarantee for Heaven afterall.

God does not answer the prayers of those who have not been washed free of their sins via baptism... as a Christian God listens to me, and forgives me for my sins - because I'm a baptized Christian. As for those "unbelivers" or "sinners" (when I say "sinners" I'm referring to those that have not been baptized) their prayers fall on deaf ears.

Do you think your sexuality is just like any other choice you make in life?

People say that you have no choice in your sexuality but I disagree with that. Mainly because choosing to be straight is like choosing anything else in life.

Its one of those things that can never be proved. I think people say they are born that way just to not feel as scared of hell.

slipknot0129

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]But since any Christian can and does sin all the time, they're no different than a homosexual. Glad we got that out of the way.

So what you said earlier is false. Being baptised is not a guarantee for Heaven afterall.

chaoscougar1

God does not answer the prayers of those who have not been washed free of their sins via baptism... as a Christian God listens to me, and forgives me for my sins - because I'm a baptized Christian. As for those "unbelivers" or "sinners" (when I say "sinners" I'm referring to those that have not been baptized) their prayers fall on deaf ears.

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]But since any Christian can and does sin all the time, they're no different than a homosexual. Glad we got that out of the way.

So what you said earlier is false. Being baptised is not a guarantee for Heaven afterall.

chaoscougar1

God does not answer the prayers of those who have not been washed free of their sins via baptism... as a Christian God listens to me, and forgives me for my sins - because I'm a baptized Christian. As for those "unbelivers" or "sinners" (when I say "sinners" I'm referring to those that have not been baptized) their prayers fall on deaf ears.

So you are saying that a large percentage of people just woke up one morning and CHOSE to be attracted to the same sex? It's not something that can even be argued from any scientific stand point.

Do you think your sexuality is just like any other choice you make in life?

People say that you have no choice in your sexuality but I disagree with that. Mainly because choosing to be straight is like choosing anything else in life.

Its one of those things that can never be proved. I think people say they are born that way just to not feel as scared of hell.

slipknot0129

How is it like choosing anything? I've never encountered a single person who chose their sexuality. I've heard of people who choose not to pursue relationships because they weren't comfortable with their own sexuality, but that doesn't change their sexuality.

I suggest you read the verses I postedThuganomic05

Nope. It is a genetic pre-condition.

Being gay is NOT a choice. Think about this, you jack asses:

You can be executed in different parts of the world for being gay Children are bullied and abused every day in the US for being gay Why the F*CK would anyone CHOOSE to be gay in this hateful world? Where you can be killed, abused, unable to marry. You wouldn't.

Gay people and straight people are equal, and both are normal. ITS 2012, PEOPLE REALLY THINK BEING GAY IS A CHOICE?

Unbelievable that people are so ignorant. If you are in the slightest anti-gay, or think being gay is a choice, then you should be the one going to hell.

Being gay is NOT a choice. Think about this, you jack asses:

You can be executed in different parts of the world for being gay Children are bullied and abused every day in the US for being gay Why the F*CK would anyone CHOOSE to be gay in this hateful world? Where you can be killed, abused, unable to marry. You wouldn't.

Gay people and straight people are equal, and both are normal. ITS 2012, PEOPLE REALLY THINK BEING GAY IS A CHOICE?

Unbelievable that people are so ignorant. If you are in the slightest anti-gay, or think being gay is a choice, then you should be the one going to hell.

Shmiity

On the other hand, being religious is a choice and choosing to deny people equal rights and dignity based upon a 2000 year old book is also a choice.

that is so... amazing! Oprah is your mama?!SaudiFury

Nope. It is a genetic pre-condition.

lo_Pine

Yep your sexuality is a choice. I like to think we have choice in our life.

When people are saying you have no choice in sexuality they really mean that its a hard descision to make. They confusing their hard headedness with the thought that they were born that way.

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]

Nope. It is a genetic pre-condition.

slipknot0129

Yep your sexuality is a choice. I like to think we have choice in our life.

When people are saying you have no choice in sexuality they really mean that its a hard descision to make. They confusing their hard headedness with the thought that they were born that way.

You make
No fvcking sense

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]

Nope. It is a genetic pre-condition.

slipknot0129

Yep your sexuality is a choice. I like to think we have choice in our life.

When people are saying you have no choice in sexuality they really mean that its a hard descision to make. They confusing their hard headedness with the thought that they were born that way.

You are very confused, I would suggest you see a therapist.

I got to say the only group of people that are right are the Christians. They believe being gay is a choice I think.

I got to say the only group of people that are right are the Christians. They believe being gay is a choice I think.

slipknot0129

I got to say the only group of people that are right are the Christians. They believe being gay is a choice I think.

slipknot0129

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

I got to say the only group of people that are right are the Christians. They believe being gay is a choice I think.

chaoscougar1

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

I got to say the only group of people that are right are the Christians. They believe being gay is a choice I think.

slipknot0129

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

I got to say the only group of people that are right are the Christians. They believe being gay is a choice I think.

slipknot0129

Seriously TC... what happened? Did your CoD subscription expire?

Did your mom find your hidden porn stash/porn folder?

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

I got to say the only group of people that are right are the Christians. They believe being gay is a choice I think.

chaoscougar1

A sexually confused idiot.

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] You should have quit a looonnnggggg time ago You might have even been able to play off that you were trolling Now you have proved to a decent part of the GS community that you are an idiotchaoscougar1

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]Says an idiot.

slipknot0129

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Good rebuttal

chaoscougar1

Prove that what you like to eat isnt because of the brain. I bet you cant.

Works the same way with sexuality. You do what you do because of the brain.

The fact that people think some choices are not choices. People have believed they were right when they were wrong and your one of those people.