Islam isnt what the west percieves it to be....

While you may consider me an extremist,I am not even close to that.If my style of posting reflected that then I would try to be more carefull about it.

Anyways here's a few sayings of the holy prophet which I am sure would give you a picture that Islam isnt the shallow,behind the times and restricted religion that you may think it is.

* People from the time of Adam onwards are as equal as the teeth of a comb. Arabs are not superior to non Arabs, nor are Redskinned people better than Blacks. No superiority or virture exists except in terms of Piety. 

* The Quest for knowledge I cherish, superior to God's worship.

* The love of the world, is the root of all evils. 

Now most muslims believe that if you dont believe in God and muhammad than you are going to hell just cuz of that.I personally dont believe in that and there really is no evidence of such a thing being true.There are several sayings of muhammad clearly indicating that God can forgive you for just about anything good.However that doesnt mean that if you have some good qualities than you are not going to hell for sure but it really is upon God.

The main thing that I want to pass on is that believing in God and mushammad really isnt 100% necessary to go to paradise.Many muslims may disagree with me but there doesnt seem to be any proof of that.

What I am saying is that Islam really is a fair religion overall.And here's something,

A bedouin came to the holy prophet Muhammad (s) and asked him some questions.

Bedouin: I wish to be the richest person in the world.

Prophet: Be content and you will be the richest person in the world.

Bedouin: I would like to be the most learned of people.

Prophet: Fear Allah and you will be the most learned of people.

Bedouin: I would like to be the most just of people.

Prophet: Desire for others what you would like for yourself and you would be the most just of people.

Bedouin: I would like to be the best of people.

Prophet: Be good to others and you will be the best of people.

Bedouin: I would like to be the most honorable of people.

Prophet: If you do not complain to any fellow humans you will be the most honorable of people.

Bedouin: I wish to be safe from Allah's Wrath on the Day of Judgment.

Prophet: If you do not lose your temper with any of your fellow humans, you will be safe from Allah's wrath on the Day of Judgment.

Bedouin: What are the worst evils in the sight of Allah?

Prophet: Hot temper and miserliness (i.e. selfishness with money).

That gives a pretty good picture of Islam and God is certainly not the cruel and angry fellow like some athesists think over here.

http://www.geocities.com/ahlulbayt14/SayingsProphet.html

 Not bad, but this going to turn ugly again...

...*in before flame-war* 

I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. swizz-the-gamer

It's the people who are doing it wrong.Islamic teachings arent that way.

You cant blame a religion becasue of it's people.You dont have to follow the people,you have to follow what Islam teaches and it never teaches you extremisim,oppression of women etc!

I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. swizz-the-gamer

I understand that some islamic cultures are sexist and discrimitive, but in most islamic countries, there aren't any "consquences" for not wearing a hijab (head scarf).

We believe that we should convince women to cover their body, but not in a forceful way. 

"like some atheists think over here" a little tip to you buddy, dont go making a topic about people generalizing Islam and in that same arguement use a blatant generalization.SaintLeonidas

I am muslim myself and that's what I keep trying to tell the TC. :P

I have nothing against Islam, Infact, I'm trying to find a translated copy of the Quran at my libary. Islam is one of the better religions when you wash away all the "crap" and get down to its true values.

"* The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr.

* People from the time of Adam onwards are as equal as the teeth of a comb. Arabs are not superior to non Arabs, nor are Redskinned people better than Blacks. No superiority or virture exists except in terms of Piety.

* The Quest for knowledge I cherish, superior to God's worship.

* The love of the world, is the root of all evils."

Live by that, and the world would be a better place. The last part of the first one is something that I would disagree with, because it makes it seem like theres only one true religion/belief, and I believe in the freedom to worship (or not) in any way you choose and not be judged a lesser person because of it. The last one is sadly half true, but it can be overcome.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. ghoklebutter

I understand that some islamic cultures are sexist and discrimitive, but in most islamic countries, there aren't any "consquences" for not wearing a hijab (head scarf).

We believe that we should convince women to cover their body, but not in a forceful way.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. Thinker_reborn

It's the people who are doing it wrong.Islamic teachings arent that way.

You cant blame a religion becasue of it's people.You dont have to follow the people,you have to follow what Islam teaches and it never teaches you extremisim,oppression of women etc!

Maybe the religion is Islam is fine, however the culture and traditions that surround it I find frankly disgusting.

I tend not to be offensive, but at certain times, Muslims are trying to rule the world. Does anybody else feel that it is true, maybe a believer in Islam can reply ?-MuddaFudda-

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. swizz-the-gamer

I understand that some islamic cultures are sexist and discrimitive, but in most islamic countries, there aren't any "consquences" for not wearing a hijab (head scarf).

We believe that we should convince women to cover their body, but not in a forceful way.

I tend not to be offensive, but at certain times, Muslims are trying to rule the world. Does anybody else feel that it is true, maybe a believer in Islam can reply ?-MuddaFudda-

Indirect quotation from the Qur'an:

The way humans are made, it is impossible to have an entirely islamic World. 

Only the extremists want to take over the World. 

[QUOTE="-MuddaFudda-"]I tend not to be offensive, but at certain times, Muslims are trying to rule the world. Does anybody else feel that it is true, maybe a believer in Islam can reply ?shyskillz

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

I understand that some islamic cultures are sexist and discrimitive, but in most islamic countries, there aren't any "consquences" for not wearing a hijab (head scarf).

We believe that we should convince women to cover their body, but not in a forceful way.

Devour2Survive

[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] Sure, brainwash/convince whatever. Islam favours men, there is no denying it.swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Devour2Survive"] Nah you don't know squat about Islam and that's your problem. We don't have to try to convince you for thinking rationally because we don't care who the hell you are.Devour2Survive

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. Thinker_reborn

It's the people who are doing it wrong.Islamic teachings arent that way.

You cant blame a religion becasue of it's people.You dont have to follow the people,you have to follow what Islam teaches and it never teaches you extremisim,oppression of women etc!

I have nothing against Islam, Infact, I'm trying to find a translated copy of the Quran at my libary. Islam is one of the better religions when you wash away all the "crap" and get down to its true values.

"* The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr.

* People from the time of Adam onwards are as equal as the teeth of a comb. Arabs are not superior to non Arabs, nor are Redskinned people better than Blacks. No superiority or virture exists except in terms of Piety.

* The Quest for knowledge I cherish, superior to God's worship.

* The love of the world, is the root of all evils."

Live by that, and the world would be a better place. The last part of the first one is something that I would disagree with, because it makes it seem like theres only one true religion/belief, and I believe in the freedom to worship (or not) in any way you choose and not be judged a lesser person because of it. The last one is sadly half true, but it can be overcome.

redwolf22

[QUOTE="shyskillz"][QUOTE="-MuddaFudda-"]I tend not to be offensive, but at certain times, Muslims are trying to rule the world. Does anybody else feel that it is true, maybe a believer in Islam can reply ?swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="shyskillz"][QUOTE="-MuddaFudda-"]I tend not to be offensive, but at certain times, Muslims are trying to rule the world. Does anybody else feel that it is true, maybe a believer in Islam can reply ?swizz-the-gamer

Islam has a bad reputation for a reason, I'm not trying to villify the religion but what islam has become is just frightening.  There is only one secular predominantly islamic country and that is turkey and they have their problem with extremeists.

Islam along with most of organized religion, represents regression, hostility towards diversity and blatant ignorance.  I don't have a problem with someone practicing religion, but when it spills out into government and politics is when i have a problem with it.  Secularization is the way to go. 

i want to apply for gamestop so as to get you banned ! sentenced83

Why? :? 

I can't belive you want to apply at gamestop to ban a level 7 user. :| 

no you should belIve it 

lol man i saw the gamestop thingy late , he keeps posting these religious threads andtalking about others's while he clearly klnows nothing about it

[QUOTE="sentenced83"]i want to apply for gamestop so as to get you banned ! ghoklebutter

Why? :? 

I can't belive you want to apply at gamestop to ban a level 7 user. :| 

Islam has a bad reputation for a reason, I'm not trying to villify the religion but what islam has become is just frightening. There is only one secular predominantly islamic country and that is turkey and they have their problem with extremeists.

Islam along with most of organized religion, represents regression, hostility towards diversity and blatant ignorance. I don't have a problem with someone practicing religion, but when it spills out into government and politics is when i have a problem with it. Secularization is the way to go.

M1MyRifle

exactly, its like they stone people if they commit a crime or punish women if they cheat on their husband..no offense to islam but that thinking is way to old, get modern, and also, a secular government is a good idea...will they ever do it? i doubt it

no you should belIve it 

lol man i saw the gamestop thingy late , he keeps posting these religious threads andtalking about others's while he clearly klnows nothing about it

sentenced83

Nothing about what?

And you should try to quote people more. 

[QUOTE="M1MyRifle"]

Islam has a bad reputation for a reason, I'm not trying to villify the religion but what islam has become is just frightening. There is only one secular predominantly islamic country and that is turkey and they have their problem with extremeists.

Islam along with most of organized religion, represents regression, hostility towards diversity and blatant ignorance. I don't have a problem with someone practicing religion, but when it spills out into government and politics is when i have a problem with it. Secularization is the way to go.

mlbslugger86

exactly, its like they stone people if they commit a crime or punish women if they cheat on their husband..no offense to islam but that thinking is way to old, get modern, and also, a secular government is a good idea...will they ever do it? i doubt it

The countries that do those punishments are corrupted, most likely. 

"Modernizing" is exactly what ruined the other religions.

And sorry for posting so much guys, I just like debating. :P 

I tend not to be offensive, but at certain times, Muslims are trying to rule the world. Does anybody else feel that it is true, maybe a believer in Islam can reply ?-MuddaFudda-

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. swizz-the-gamer

It's the people who are doing it wrong.Islamic teachings arent that way.

You cant blame a religion becasue of it's people.You dont have to follow the people,you have to follow what Islam teaches and it never teaches you extremisim,oppression of women etc!

Maybe the religion is Islam is fine, however the culture and traditions that surround it I find frankly disgusting.

Now most muslims believe that if you dont believe in God and muhammad than you are going to hell just cuz of that.I personally dont believe in that and there really is no evidence of such a thing being true.

Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"][QUOTE="M1MyRifle"]

Islam has a bad reputation for a reason, I'm not trying to villify the religion but what islam has become is just frightening. There is only one secular predominantly islamic country and that is turkey and they have their problem with extremeists.

Islam along with most of organized religion, represents regression, hostility towards diversity and blatant ignorance. I don't have a problem with someone practicing religion, but when it spills out into government and politics is when i have a problem with it. Secularization is the way to go.

ghoklebutter

exactly, its like they stone people if they commit a crime or punish women if they cheat on their husband..no offense to islam but that thinking is way to old, get modern, and also, a secular government is a good idea...will they ever do it? i doubt it

The countries that do those punishments are corrupted, most likely.

"Modernizing" is exactly what ruined the other religions.

And sorry for posting so much guys, I just like debating. :P

what i mean by modernizing isn't changing there ways entirely, just to make rules that are more reasonable, damn like i also heard they still cut theives hands, why not just arrest him and let him rot in jail?

ok, I am also not being a ******** but the creator of this thread was the one who posted on the MUMBAI board calling the indians B***AR**.-MuddaFudda-

The TC of that thread called pakistani's idiots and falsely accused pakistan to have planned the mumbai attack.

Secondly india has made up stories and what not blaming pakistan without evidence furthur tarneshing the country's name.

I'd like to see people that follow Islam take more ownership for it, then. Much of what these extremists do, they claim they do in the name of their religion. Much of what they do is in opposition of what their religion states. However, if the truthful followers of Islam fail to take a stand, fail to condemn such actions, they too will be judged accordingly.

I'm not saying Islam is only at fault. Christianity, Judaism, etc. certainly has its zealots, its share of corruption over the years. Many people are just easily mislead, easily corrupted by the thought of doing something for their god to the point of fanaticism.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

 

exactly, its like they stone people if they commit a crime or punish women if they cheat on their husband..no offense to islam but that thinking is way to old, get modern, and also, a secular government is a good idea...will they ever do it? i doubt it

mlbslugger86

The countries that do those punishments are corrupted, most likely.

"Modernizing" is exactly what ruined the other religions.

And sorry for posting so much guys, I just like debating. :P

what i mean by modernizing isn't changing there ways entirely, just to make rules that are more reasonable, damn like i also heard they still cut theives hands, why not just arrest him and let him rot in jail?

Muslims do not practice that in real life. But if you are a thief, and you go to hell, then your hands are cut.

 

what i mean by modernizing isn't changing there ways entirely, just to make rules that are more reasonable, damn like i also heard they still cut theives hands, why not just arrest him and let him rot in jail?

mlbslugger86

The penaltyfor theft in defined in the Koran: The thief must have their hands cut off.

You may not question the peaceful words of Allah. 

I condemn chritianity becasue it has lost it's original teachings and it's true values and beliefs have been altered.Thinker_reborn

I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

 

what i mean by modernizing isn't changing there ways entirely, just to make rules that are more reasonable, damn like i also heard they still cut theives hands, why not just arrest him and let him rot in jail?

limpbizkit818

The penaltyfor theft in defined in the Koran: The thief must have their hands cut off.

You may not question the peaceful words of Allah. 

That only happens in hell. :|

And if you read a translation of the Qur'an, you would see that islam does not allow people to kill the innocent. 

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

exactly, its like they stone people if they commit a crime or punish women if they cheat on their husband..no offense to islam but that thinking is way to old, get modern, and also, a secular government is a good idea...will they ever do it? i doubt it

mlbslugger86

The countries that do those punishments are corrupted, most likely.

"Modernizing" is exactly what ruined the other religions.

And sorry for posting so much guys, I just like debating. :P

what i mean by modernizing isn't changing there ways entirely, just to make rules that are more reasonable, damn like i also heard they still cut theives hands, why not just arrest him and let him rot in jail?

[QUOTE="-MuddaFudda-"]ok, I am also not being a ******** but the creator of this thread was the one who posted on the MUMBAI board calling the indians B***AR**.Thinker_reborn

The TC of that thread called pakistani's idiots and falsely accused pakistan to have planned the mumbai attack.

Secondly india has made up stories and what not blaming pakistan without evidence furthur tarneshing the country's name.

[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

 

The countries that do those punishments are corrupted, most likely.

"Modernizing" is exactly what ruined the other religions.

And sorry for posting so much guys, I just like debating. :P

 

shyskillz

what i mean by modernizing isn't changing there ways entirely, just to make rules that are more reasonable, damn like i also heard they still cut theives hands, why not just arrest him and let him rot in jail?